Big Bag of Vegetables 9-disk set???

[onkster]

Anybody heard of this?  Supposed a 9-disk set of SMILE stuff called "A Big Bag of Vegetables"...download-only, so I hear, don't know from where though.

Does anyone have this, and if so, is there anything "new" to our ears on it?

Thanks in advance!

[Alex]

Anybody heard of this?  Supposed a 9-disk set of SMILE stuff called "A Big Bag of Vegetables"...download-only, so I hear, don't know from where though.

Does anyone have this, and if so, is there anything "new" to our ears on it?

Thanks in advance!

I've never heard of it. The closest things to this I've heard of are UM 17, a 5 disc set, and ProjectSMiLE, a CD-ROM/torrent download that has tracks compiled from many different bootlegs, and has tons of writings on smile, and a session timeline with info on who played on what session, etc.
PM me if you want the project smile site.

BTW, I hope this isn't just a new rumor/hoax, like "Remember the Zoo" was.

[michael]

I recieved this from a friend a month ago.Very much like the SOT discs,but more material!Nothing earth shaking,however for the collector essential.

[Mooger Fooger]

There is another set which is called the Complete Smile Sessions which includes color session photos and a nicely sequenced set of 12 discs with audio quality as good as could be located. Again no surprises, but a collector's essential. In many cases speed correction has been made, and the whole thing follows a linear flow which has not been seen since SOT. Extremely hard to find.

[warnakey]

I received something similar to this, but it was 12 discs.

It had all the sessions from the Smile era. Very similar to the SOTs and Project Smile, but had some pictures and stuff.

[michael]

Would it be o.k. to post artwork and track list?
Or is that against forum rules?

[The Shift]

I was told about "Big Bag..." a few years back by a serious BBs collector, after a BW SMiLE gig in Londres.   He told me that it was put together and circulated privately by a bunch of hardcore fans who each had different material in their collections, to gather it all in one place and share among each other.

I haven't got a copy and I haven't heard it... but I'd love to get me 'ands on the stuff that must be therein.

Haven't heard of the 12-disc set but it seems a logical evolution of "Big Bag..." I guess.

If posting a tracklist is out of order I guess PM-ing wouldn't be!

[Jason]

There exist three Beach Boys bootlegs which gather up the materials on Big Bag Of Vegetables that are not circulating on other bootlegs - these bootlegs circulated far and wide, and got the creators a nice cease and desist order tossed at them by the PTB.

Said bootlegs are "Heroes and Villains Sessions Part II", "Secret Smile" and "Psychedelic Sounds".

The first is just an hour of Heroes sessions (obviously). The second is two CDs with a grab bag of material. The third is a two-disc compilation of all spoken word recordings made during the Smile sessions, the entire first disc was on Big Bag Of Vegetables - it was the legendary "Psychedelic Sounds" party reel (coincidentally, three recordings on the second disc of this bootleg were traded among the truly hardcore, they were the famous "taxi cab recordings", the "basketball game recording" and "Bob Gordon's Real Trip").

By and large 99.5% of the material mentioned in this thread and in my post is on the Project Smile CD-ROM set. One exception - on Big Bag Of Vegetables there is an excerpt of a Mrs. O'Leary's Cow session, featuring takes 6-10. Take 6 is part of SOT 17, but takes 7-10 are unheard previously. Must have been an oversight on the part of the compilers of Project Smile. As far as it's known, it's the only unbooted circulating Smile session.

[smile-holland]

Thanks for that information, Jason.

Would it be o.k. to post artwork and track list?
Or is that against forum rules?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,122.0.html
Reading the rules/guidelines and specifically (2), I'd conclude that sharing information on tracklists can be seen as "talking about bootlegs", which is OK. Just beware for bootleg-requests or offers...

[JDShadow]

..a trusted source shared this in another forum:

"..it was a 9CD set expanded to 10CD's, i'd
say approx 40-50% is available on other bootlegs, maybe less. A 12CD
set is rumour, if 2 more CD's have been added, it did'nt come from
the same source(s) as the original 10CD set..."


BBoV with 50 to 60% of SMiLE material which has never been released, either legally or boot, would be a goldmine--but apparently it is still only available to the higher level of collectors...

[Bicyclerider]

Besides Secret Smile and Psychedelic sounds there was a "Sea of Tunes source tape" bootleg which apparently duplicated a disc of BBOV and included the extra Fire outtakes and several false starts/pretake chatter/take slates not on the Sea of Tunes discs. 

[Wrightfan]

..a trusted source shared this in another forum:

"..it was a 9CD set expanded to 10CD's, i'd
say approx 40-50% is available on other bootlegs, maybe less. A 12CD
set is rumour, if 2 more CD's have been added, it did'nt come from
the same source(s) as the original 10CD set..."


BBoV with 50 to 60% of SMiLE material which has never been released, either legally or boot, would be a goldmine--but apparently it is still only available to the higher level of collectors...

Interesting. Never heard of the set but I've heard of the three that Jason talked about.

Secret Smile is probably the best one. Highlights of it include three "Tones" sessions, the backing track to the Harpsichord version of Wonderful, and a stereo version of I Love to Say Da-Da. The last two are in poor quality though.

[JDShadow]

..a trusted source shared this in another forum:

"..it was a 9CD set expanded to 10CD's, i'd
say approx 40-50% is available on other bootlegs, maybe less. A 12CD
set is rumour, if 2 more CD's have been added, it did'nt come from
the same source(s) as the original 10CD set..."


BBoV with 50 to 60% of SMiLE material which has never been released, either legally or boot, would be a goldmine--but apparently it is still only available to the higher level of collectors...

Interesting. Never heard of the set but I've heard of the three that Jason talked about.

Secret Smile is probably the best one. Highlights of it include three "Tones" sessions, the backing track to the Harpsichord version of Wonderful, and a stereo version of I Love to Say Da-Da. The last two are in poor quality though.

I do know about SS, PS and the SOT Source.  I was really excited about the Tones tracks when I first heard Secret Smile.

I am hoping to see a track list from BBOV when our friend can break away from some personal business and post it.  The statement that about half the material  having  never been released blew me away. 

It may be a tired old subject, but it causes one to wonder if the rumored Durrie Parks acetates were finally copied...

[Wrightfan]

It may be a tired old subject, but it causes one to wonder if the rumored Durrie Parks acetates were finally copied...

What's rumored to be on those acetates anyway?

[Fun Is In]

It may be a tired old subject, but it causes one to wonder if the rumored Durrie Parks acetates were finally copied...

What's rumored to be on those acetates anyway?

One gets the impression that they are like the Holy Grail. Something to dream of and quest for yet never really know if they exist or existed.

[JDShadow]

It may be a tired old subject, but it causes one to wonder if the rumored Durrie Parks acetates were finally copied...

What's rumored to be on those acetates anyway?

Perhaps one of the high-level BB experts can fill in those gaps.  But any new thing from SMiLE which hadn't been released yet causes me to wonder if that wasn't one of the sources...

[brianc]

Well, the holy grail notion comes from the fact that Brian apparently gave his friends and collaborators working acetates around Christmas 1966. That Durrie Parks might have what was given to Van Dyke makes it so alluring, as he, of all people, would have likely had the most complete version of the material as it stood up to December 1966. The hope being that maybe some vocals for "CITFOTM," the verses of "DYLW" and perhaps a "Barnyard"/"Great Shape" mix of "H&V." But that's all wishful thinking, at this point. Though one that is very much in the realm of possibility.

The only other major things missing, were that to be the case, would be the middle section of "SU," recorded (possibly) in january 1967, and then the other "Elements," whatever they may have been. Regardless, the former Mrs. Van Dyke Parks is holding something that should not be tossed aside as irrelevant, nor sitting around waiting for time to do its natural wear & tear.

[Mooger Fooger]

Track List Confirmed from 12 CD "The Smile Sessions"

Disc 1:
1. H&V Verse (studio setup - oscillator query)
2. H&V verse (rehearsal)
3. H&V verse (take 1)
4. H&V verse (takes 2 & 3)
5. H&V verse (take 4)
6. H&V verse (instrumental stereo)
7. H&V verse (instrumental mono mix)
8. H&V verse (backing vocal overdub)
9. H&V verse (acetate Feb 10 1967 lead vox)
10. H&V verse (1st vocal overdub)
11. H&V verse (2nd vocal overdub)
12. H&V verse (3rd vocal overdub)
13. H&V verse (4th vocal overdub)
14. H&V verse (5th vocal overdub)
15. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 1)
16. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 2)
17. H&V verse (Mix session)
18. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 3)
19. H&V verse (test edit 1)
20. H&V verse (test edit 2)
21. H&V In the Cantina (session part 1)
22. H&V In the Cantina (session part 2)
23. H&V In the Cantina (session part 3)
24. H&V In the Cantina (take 4)
25. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono)
26. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono with laughs)
27. H&V In the Cantina (stereo)
28. H&V Soul Made Beautiful (session)
29. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (backing vox session)
30. H&V Sunny Down Snuff
31. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (stereo)
32. H&V Hold On (take 9 piano track)
33. H&V Gee (session)
34. H&V Gee (mix session)
35. H&V Part 2 variations
36. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo)
37. H&V Part 2 variations
38. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo)
39. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 1)
40. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 2)
41. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final stereo)
42. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final mono)
43. H&V Do alot
44. H&V Tag (takes 1 & 2)
45. H&V Tag (takes 4 -
46. H&V Tag (takes 14 & 15)
47. H&V Tag (vox reverb fx mono mix)
48. H&V Tag (alternate vox)
49. H&V Tag (vox stereo mix)

Disc 2:
1. H&V Intro  (alt version)
2. H&V Tag to Part 1
3. H&V Tag to Part 1
4. H&V Tag to Part 1
5. H&V Bag of Tricks
6. H&V Bag of Tricks
7. H&V Piano rehearsals
8. H&V Piano sections
9. H&V Chorus (Baldwin organ vers)
10. H&V Fade re-record (session)
11. H&V Fade re-record (take 5)
12. H&V Intro (sessions)
13. H&V Intro (piano scale vers)
14. H&V Intro (without overdubs)
15. H&V Intro (with overdubs)
16. H&V Intro (with overdubs)
17. H&V Intro (stereo mix)
18. H&V Intro (fuzz guitar overdub stereo mix)
19. H&V Intro mono mix
20. H&V dum dum dum (session part 1)
21. H&V dum dum dum (session part 2)
22. H&V dum dum dum (session good take)
23. H&V dum dum dum (completed take)
24. H&V My Children (session version 1)
25. H&V My Children (no piano version 1)
26. H&V My Children (completed track vers 1)
27. H&V Bridge to Indians (session)
28. H&V Prelude to Fade (session part 1)
29. H&V Prelude to Fade (session part 2)
30. H&V Prelude to Fade (completed track)
31. H&V Piano demo for Humble Harv (4.11.66)
32. H&V Tag to part 1 (vers 2)
33. H&V My Children (vers 2 boys and girls vox)
34. H&V My Children (stereo mix)
35. H&V (16.2.67 mix)
36. H&V (July 45 mix)
37. H&V (45 Stereo mix)

more to come....

[Mooger Fooger]

Disc 3:
1. Bicycle Rider (take 14)
2. Bicycle Rider (tage section)
3. Bicycle Rider (1st vox overdub)
4. Bicycle Rider (2nd vox overdub)
5. Bicycle Rider (3rd vox overdub)
6. Bicycle Rider (acetate extra vox)
7. Bicycle Rider (extra vox stereo)
8. DYLW (Part 1. takes 34 & 24)
9. DYLW (part 1, 1st vox overdub)
10. DYLW (part 1, 2nd vox overdub)
11. DYLW (part 2 rehearsal final part)
12. DYLW (part 2, 1st vox overdub)
13. DYLW (part 2, 2nd vox overdub)
14. DYLW complete track
15. DYLW (alt mix 1)
16. DYLW (alt mix 2)
17. DYLW (scratch vox)
18. DYLW full vox
19. Barnyard
20. Im in Great Shape (version 1)
21. Im in Great Shape (version 2)
22. Im in Great Shape (version 3)
23. With Me Tonight (bass similar to Vegetables)
24. With Me Tonight (fast session)
25. With Me Tonight (fast complete)
26. With Me Tonight (slow)
27. Little Red Book
28. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (takes 1&2)
29. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (take 4)
30. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (take 6&7)
31. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (take 10&11)
32. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine stereo
33. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine mono mix
34. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (vox and tag)
35. He Gives Speeches (unknown take)
36. He Gives Speeches (lead vox overdub)
37. He Gives Speeches (backing vox overdub)
38. He Gives Speeches (handclap overdub)
39. Prayer (session part 1)
40. Prayer (session part 2)
41. Prayer 1966 mix
42. Prayer (1968 vox overdub)
43. Prayer 1968 complete

Disc 4:
1. Tones (aka Tune X) (unknown take)
2. Tones (aka Tune X) (mix session)
3. Tones (aka Tune X) (inst overdub)
4. Look (takes 1&2)
5. Look (takes 4&5)
6. Look (takes 6 -13)
7. Look (takes 14-19)
8. Look (take 20)
9. Look comnpleted
10. Child is Father of the Man (part 1, take 1-4)
11. Child is Father of the Man (part 1, take
12. Child is Father of the Man (verse, takes 1-10)
13. Child is Father of the Man (take unknown)
14. Child is Father of the Man (take unknown vox)
15. Child is Father of the Man completed
16. Child is Father of the Man (verse)
17. Child is Father of the Man (ending)
18. Child is Father of the Man (chorus take 10)
19. Child is Father of the Man (comp reel Brian mix)
20. Surf's Up (session part 1)
21. Surf's Up (session part 2)
22. Surf's Up (backing track)
23. Surf's Up (session with horn experiments aka GFIHFH)
24. Surf's Up piano demo
25. Surf's Up 1971 vox only
26. Surf's Up 1971 vers
27. Surf's Up Brian matched demo vox* fan edit
28. Surf's Up Inside Pop version

more to come...

[Wrightfan]

I feel like an idiot. What does "vox" mean?

[Jonas]

Vocals

[Mooger Fooger]

Disc 5:

1. Wonderful (takes 1-3)
2. Wonderful (takes 6-8)
3. Wonderful (take 16-18)
4. Wonderful (take unknown)
5. Wonderful (inst overdubs)
6. Wonderful (1st vox overdub)
7. Wonderful (vox insert rehearsals)
8. Wonderful (1st vox insert)
9. Wonderful (2nd vox insert)
10. Wonderful (vox insert stereo mix)
11. Wonderful (completed track with Henry insert)
12. Wonderful (new inst take)
13. Wonderful (new background vox)
14. Wonderful completed
15. Holidays (take 6)
16. Holidays (completed take  7)
17. All Day (takes 1&2)
18. All Day (takes 13-15)
19. All Day (take 15) * poss label typo must check info
20. All Day (take 14) * poss label typo must check info
21. All Day (take 17)
22. I Love To Say Dada (part 1 take 5 - 9)
23. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 take 2)
24. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 take 3)
25. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 take 4)
26. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 overdub)
27. I Love To Say Dada stereo
28. I Love To Say Dada (2nd day take1)
29. I Love To Say Dada (2nd day take 2)
30. You're Welcome (take no reverb)
31. You're Welcome side 2 to H&V 1967
32. Studio Recording Experiment Oct Nov 1966 (aka Party)

more to come later I'm way tired

[Wrightfan]

Vocals

Thanks. It seems so obvious now. 

[JDShadow]

Track List Confirmed from 12 CD "The Smile Sessions"

Thanks much--it will be interesting to see what differences there are in the track lists with  Big Bag of Vegetables...

[Mooger Fooger]

Disc 6:
1. Vega-tables (early version mono mix) - "cornucopia"
2. Vega-tables (early version 1st vox overdub)
3. Vega-tables (early version 2nd vox overdub)
4. Vega-tables (April assembly)
5. Vega-tables (part 1, piano track)
6. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub)
7. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempt)
8. Vega-tables (part 1, inst and vox overdub attempt)
9. Vega-tables (part 1, inst and vox overdub attempt 2)
10. Vega-tables (part 1, inst and vox overdub attempt 3)
11. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
12. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
13. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
14. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
15. Vega-tables (part 1, inst inserts takes 1-8)
16. Vega-tables (part 1, vox insert rehearsal)
17. Vega-tables (part 1,  mono mix tests)
18. Vega-tables (part 2, take unknown)
19. Vega-tables (part 2, 1st vox overdub)
20. Vega-tables (part 2, 2nd vox overdub)
21. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, track rehearsal)
22. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 1st vox overdub)
23. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 2nd vox overdub)
24. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 3rd vox overdub)
25. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 4th vox overdub)
26. Vega-tables (part 2, version 3 mono mix)
27. Vega-tables (part 3 session)
28. Vega-tables (part 3, take 12)
29. Vega-tables (part 3, 1st vox overdub)
30. Vega-tables (part 3, 2nd vox overdub)
31. Vega-tables (part 3, mono mix 1)
32. Vega-tables (fade complete mono mix)
33. Vega-tables (bop bop dit dit vox and piano)
34. Vega-tables (various vox insert mixes)
35. Vega-tables (assembled mix with dual verse vox)
36. Vega-tables (assembled mix complete)

Disc 7:

1. Wind Chimes (takes 1 - 4)
2. Wind Chimes (take 4)
3. Wind Chimes (take 5)
4. Wind Chimes (takes 6&7)
5. Wind Chimes (pickup takes 1-5)
6. Wind Chimes (takes 8&9)
7. Wind Chimes (track)
8. Wind Chimes (1st vox overdub)
9. Wind Chimes (last part take 3)
10. Wind Chimes (complete track stereo)
11. Wind Chimes (complete track mono)
12. The Elements: Fire (take 1)
13. The Elements: Fire (take 2)
14. The Elements: Fire (takes 3-7)
15. The Elements: Fire (takes 8-10)
16. The Elements: Fire (takes 11&12)
17. The Elements: Fire (takes 15-18)
18. The Elements: Fire (overdub take 1)
19. The Elements: Fire (mono mix)
20. Friday Night (take 1)
21. Friday Night (take 2)
22. Friday Night (takes 6-10)
23. Friday Night (completed track stereo)
24. Water (organ)
25. Water (1st vocal overdub)
26. Water (2nd vocal overdub)
27. Water (3rd vocal overdub)
28. Water (4th vocal overdub)
29. Water (stereo mix)
30. Water (completed track stereo)
31. Vega-Tables radio spot rehearsals
32. 1966 Capitol Sales Smile Teaser