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Here we go!

http://www.kptv.com/story/27430978/mike-love-has-book-deal-memoir-due-out-in-2016?autostart=true

I for one hope he finally breaks his silence about that time he met some Beatles in India.

Love the pic they went with on this:

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Hope it really gets published before 2525

If this ever comes out, the small Beach Boys-themed corner of the internet will explode. Literally.

Naturally, Mike will have Jason Fine on board for his book.

Actually, now that I think about it, to follow-up on the coup of getting Jeff Foskett in his band, I predict Mike will be working with David Leaf, with a foreward by Van Dyke Parks.

In related news, Al Jardine...... still lives in Big Sur.

Surely this will coincide with a "Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary" reunion tour.  :3d

It'll come out: been in the works over a year.

I look forward to reading this for so many reasons.

I'm excited about the possibility. I've been seeing a side of him that I never have before from reading his Facebook posts. If the sensitivity and candor that some these posts show are any indication, we should have a good read on our hands.

sh*t is going to get real on the board once this comes out.

It's been in the works for over a year and won't be out until over a year from now?  Who's he got writing it, Bree Walker?

Mike's been talking about this in interviews lately. God help this board!!

Lurkers of the board, get out of here while you still can! ;)

 :smokin

Oh, now THIS should be interesting!!!

Amazing..

It's going to be ripped to shreds on this board.

I was actually kind of hoping Brian's book deal would just kind of fade away, and none of these guys would, in the twilight of the band's career, go down the path of writing these types of books. Unless these books are whitewashed to the point of utter blandness, I don't see this helping group relations particularly (to say nothing of fans). The track record of other bands writing dueling "memoirs" is not super great, and they seem to very rarely truly alter anyone's perception of the individual.

Rather than these self-serving, sometimes axe-grinding memoirs, I wish someone would do what Mark Lewisohn has done for the Beatles and write the epic, all-encompassing biography this band needs, and have it coming from someone who knows their s**t but isn't writing it from one point of view.

I'm not worried about a scenario where the book is well-written and actually written with some humility and not from a place of uber-defensiveness. If it's a good, fair, accurate book, even if it obviously leans towards a focus on Mike, I think it will be recognized as such by the scholars and students of the band here, by pretty much everyone but perhaps the most troll-ish of fans.

I'm more worried about the scenario where the book is demonstrably inaccurate, or unfair, or groan-inducing (such as the majority of Mike's print interviews), and fans who point this out are then immediately pegged as "anti-Mike."

I just don't see anything good coming from this unless the book just literally BLOWS everybody's mind with revelatory clarifications and jaw-dropping humility.

Is it too early to pop the popcorn?

But of course. Whether it deserves it or not.  :)

Drinking game. A shot every time:

the phrase "my cousin and i" is used.
Mike alludes to Dennis being a man whore.
the word "positivity".
The Wilsons were into drugs, i wasn't.

continue...

i gave the Beatles the idea to use the girls from all the countries in Back In The USSR.
cousin Brian stayed in his room.
Mike sings the praises of Uncle Jesse.

You will kill us all,man!-hypehat

Let Mike's list of excuses/justifications begin.....

Not enough liquor in the world!!

The real question is if the book can be perceived as anything but a measure of damage control and competition, due to its timing. Does anyone really think this book would be written and released at all (let alone in the next year or so) if not for "Love and Mercy" and Brian's upcoming bio?  

Yes, I think it would be coming out without the Brian movie and book.  Didn't Mike tell a British newspaper a while back that there are a lot of fallacies about me.  I think he has some scores to settle.  I'd like to read about the the time he fasted and had to be brought to the hospital, and what it was like to have a daughter married to your bandmate.

I don't think so. There will always be a hand full of people who will bash it regardless. But I think assuming it will be ripped to shreds by the board is doing a disservice to most of the folks here.

I think if the book is truly fair and not overtly, as Mikie mentioned, full of excuses and justifications, it will be welcomed by the scholarly fans here.

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a question of whether the book will be ripped whether it deserves it or not. The question is whether those who do criticize the book will be immediately minimized as "anti-Mike" and characterized as bashing the book due to ulterior motives.

An important question is, "What if the book is actually good and fair?"

But another equally important question is, "What if the book ends up being a self-serving, defensive book, done "An American Family"-style, with the aforementioned justifications?

Considering the data we have to work with as far as media interviews as well as interviews given to authors (e.g. Carlin, etc.), the track record doesn't bode well for any substantial self-criticism and self-assessment.

I also worry that whatever good stuff that might be buried in such a book (not salacious or scandalous stuff, but important pieces of historical information) might be scrubbed away for fear of a plethora of lawsuits.

After what happened with Brian's 90's book with Landy, regardless of the weird circumstances of that one, I'm surprised any publishers would give these guys a deal. I guess they just make sure they have REALLY good libel insurance.

Keeping my fingers crossed that one chapter will be a shot-by-shot account of the making of Scrooge's Rock'n'Roll Christmas.  (Just looked up the cast on IMDB and to my surprise found out the movie's female lead is Lee Benton, whom I've been Facebook friends with for years - forget how that happened.)

And, jesting about a foreword aside - once this book comes out the Tweets will fly fast and furious from Van Dyke's keyboard. 140,000 characters probably won't suffice for him, let alone 140.

I'm sure all of these guys have pondered the idea of doing a memoir over the years, and have been asked about it numerous times.

Mike may have gotten this thing out regardless of any outside influence. But it's certainly possible that he saw a book and film centering on Brian coming and that those things may have provided extra motivation.

It'll be interesting to see if the book gets a co-credit, as in "by Mike Love, with X", or if he goes the route of ghostwriter.

This kinda makes me wonder if plans for yet another movie are up Mike's sleeve to go with this book.....

Yes! this is incredible news. please release the albums too, they have been lnguishing in the dark opining for release for too long.
love and love,
SIP Mike.

That I would tend to doubt, at least as far as anything like the Brian film. Even the Brian film is going to get relatively "indie" sort of distribution.

I don't think Mike could get a Mike-themed film funded and distributed.

I suppose Mike could once again get behind someone else's film project, something like "An American Family." Normally I would say any sort of TV movie or miniseries project could never possibly get a greenlight after two previous TV movie bombs on the group, but I suppose I could see a cable network funding another miniseries docudrama on the group. Even in that case, it would be cheap TV movie fare and would not field the type of recognizable names found in the Brian film.

That wouldn't surprise me. Any criticism of what Brian does lands people in the "anti-Brian" camp so I expect it'll go both ways. All the wild-eyed accusations of "ulterior motives" seem to come from users who have gripes with each other. This "kids in the playground" mentality runs rampant on this board and does any legitimate discussion or critique a major disservice.

Then again, that's practically every message board about anything. Evidently people just can't help themselves.

I'm hoping the photoshop gurus on the board here can come up with some good mockups for potential book covers.....

Yep, cable was what I meant, pretty much.  I don't think HBO or Showtime would be up for another BBs film, but if Mike felt like it, he could probably get some smaller channel to do a lower-budget thing with B/C-list actors, the approximate equivalent production-wise of Summer Dreams.

It would be incredible if a Mad Men style/quality Beach Boys mini series were to come out. Highly unlikely, but it would be quite a show...

They shouldn't try. "Summer Dreams" can never be topped...

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I'm excited for the portion of the book where he finds out about this board and concludes that it's a damn shame.

Maybe the book will be like "An American Family" and end at 1974.....

I hope OSD and I get mentioned ;)

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obviously a play on this (https://d.gr-assets.com/books/1327960451l/9439303.jpg).

I sincerely hope that there's a person in Mike's inner circle who can convince him to let down his defensive guard just a bit, owning up to some regrets of personal actions, here and there, throughout his story. Just a bit. Without hiding behind someone else to deflect. You know, the way Brian honestly has expressed regret for some of his own personal actions over the years. Are we going to get more than a couple sentences about Shawn?

Totally not holding my breath, as incredibly defensive people often stay that way until the very end. But I hold out a sliver of hope that Mike (or loved ones who might influence him) might realize that his legacy would benefit in the long run. I want very much for Mike's reputation to be humanized.

I think we are going to get some good stuff out of it but...and I say this as a big fan of Mike's...there will almost certainly be some of the same that we get over and over in interviews: playing up his contributions, while minimizing others.  I truly hope he gives credit where it's due and what I'm most anxious to see is how he talks about Dennis.  Its been over 3 decades since his death and hopefully he can let some of the bad blood go and not rag on the guy too much for his drug use, womanizing, etc. 

Does anyone want to make any predictions if he mentions his own marijuana use in the book? 

You can fully expect him to play up his contributions. I'm sure he'll give credit where it's due while not forgetting to document his song credits, etc. I hope he will be very candid and talk about his relationship with Dennis and other band members, in addition to his use of drugs. I'll skip over the subject of Maharishi, except during the period when he met the Beatles. Everything that he's sidestepped before in interviews should be discussed in the book.

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I'm curious if he will mention Dennis being addicted to drugs and alcohol, or how he came up with the words to Good Vibrations?
It would be interesting to know if he spoke to Paul McCartney in India about any Beatles songs in the works.
Or will he comment  if he should have got credit on the Knebworth CD for piano on Help Me Rhonda? Or how did Brian get invited to the Spanish version of  Kokomo?
Did Landy become a co-writer or producer?

Perhaps the mod's can forward the 'Weird Mike Love Pictures' thread to the publishers? :lol

Looking forward to the chapter defending his mode of dress on stage. Would be interesting if the pictures included those outfits and hats in his walk in closet. :tiptoe

:h5 :drunks

That should depend on the way they criticize it. Undoubtedly, there will be things about this book that are to be criticized rightfully, as Mike is a human being. Parts of it will be self-serving and defensive, as any of our autobiographies would be if we wrote them (or had them written). The real question is, how much has Mike mellowed with age to deliver a book with some self-critical content? If there is some self-critical content and some criticizers only focus on the self-serving part, those can deservedly be called anti-Mike.

If the book should turn out all self-serving and not self-critical in any way, I will be anti-Mike's-book. :-D

Photo finish. It was mentioned to me (as a future consideration) June 2013 at Henley: Brian's book was announced a couple of months earlier.

Eh, my bad - it's already being torn apart some eighteen months before anyone here has read so much as a single word.

Interesting news.

A shame Al has never written a book though as I think he might have the most interesting story to tell (the guy surrounded by the madness).

Actually, Alan's been the wildest of all. Why do you think he moved out to Big Sur so many years ago ? No prying eyes. The tales I've heard of what really went on in the Red Barn...  :thud

The reasons for it being the Red Barn.....? ;D

Teeth not brushed for two days straight one particularly crazy week in 1981.

Best ask Maria Martin...

I want to hear how he handles the 1967-1974 period. He was being a hippie at that point and doing joints onstage. I hope he really covers this period because he has never said anything about it as far as I'm aware. His 'lost years' perhaps?

Do author's still do book store signings? I ask the question because it seems there are hardly anymore book stores in existence. Mike could hit a lot of cities tying in a book tour with his regular one.

Oh, and I'll go on record now saying that the forward will be written by John Stamos.

Exactly.

Speculate on Brian's upcoming album - God forbid you say a single critical word - how dare you speculate when you haven't heard a single note! Then you hear a single note - 8 or 9 seconds to be exact - and speculate after hearing that, no, you can't do that! And then there's the Love And Mercy movie. Want to comment on that? Nope, not until you see it. But, Mike's Book? Go ahead, speculate and criticize away! It's OK. Hypocrisy reigns again.

Hey Jude, this is an early Christmas present for you. Happy Holidays!

I for one am excited about this. O don't care if Mike has an agenda, is defensive, etc. I want to hear his side of the story. There is not much more we can learn about Brian at this point. And we have a couple of books on Dennis and one on Dave. I have loved each and every one of them. It's interesting, because we learn something new from every angle. At this point I am mostly interested in this book and one on Carl! Al and Bruce would be great too. Maybe even anyone who has been around the band for a long time (Stephen Desper, Bill Hinche, Jeff Foskett, Marilyn Wilson!!!, etc)

Looking forward to this, less so for Brian's book.


It says he'll be assisted by James S. Hirsch.

I'm having trouble finding any posts here that are tearing this book apart. How one can compare the posts in this thread to people claiming Brian can't write a great song anymore, or that he's a sellout, or that he has no chance of getting on the radio again, or that his management is delusional, etc etc, is beyond me.

As for the book, I'm glad it's coming out. I have to agree with other posters that I hope Mike really delves into the late-60s, early 70s period. It'll also be great to read about his perspective of the C50 ending.

Brian Wilson's Musical Album - genius composer who's created some of the most beautiful music in existence.
Mike Love's Book - the majority of his interviews are about the same couple points - naming the drug-using Wilson brothers, talking about his lyrics, and Back in the USSR. I don't think anyone here has gone overboard in criticizing the book...the man has said and done a lot of stupid stuff, and its normal to wonder what the book is gonna be like. Does that mean no one wants it to be good? No...

Basically - there are very different points of reference for discussing these two things.

Do you really not see the difference here, and why these two things are treated differently?

There's a strange feeling about Brian Wilson perpetuated by posts like yours that I'm starting to see constantly - sarcasm in response to posters trying to reasonably discuss the new album, and I really don't understand it. If anyone has a good idea why this is happening, I'd like to know. I figured a year ago when the new album was first being discussed that everyone would unanimously be happy, simply for the fact that we're getting more music...but that has not been the case once for the last year. I guess it's just a weird Smiley Smile thing?

... whose book about Rubin "Hurricane" Carter contends that its subject was innocent of all charges levelled against him.  I wonder if this will prove some sort of precedent.

Well, obviously he was innocent!  EVERYONE in prison is innocent, just ask them

 :smokin

Something of a contradiction there...

And the idea that any message board for any musician has fans who are unanimously happy about any forthcoming project is patently false. You will always get discussions about how good or bad it may be, whether they are using the right producer, how promising the song titles are etc.

The only weird thing about this board is that some people think it is unique to here.  ;)

Now it's going to get real ugly.....  :hat


I'd imagine something like this  ;D
What's your guess?

Chapter 1: Growing up in Surf City
Chapter 2: Let's go surfin' now
Chapter 3: Fun, fun, fun all summer long
Chapter 4: Meeting all those California girls
Chapter 5: Good and bad vibrations
Chapter 6: - nothing happened here -
Chapter 7: Endless summer
Chapter 8: Kokomo
Chapter 9: Keepin' the summer alive

"Genius composer" is boring as hell in and of itself. But Brian is fascinating for many reasons beyond that hefty (and cumbersome) tag.... Mike's an interesting guy too.

There's enough room in the world for both guys to get some attention.

Yep. You nailed it dawg, though giving either one more or less attention wasn't the issue.

My point was that the comparison of the criticisms of Mike Love's book to the Brian Wilson's album was ridiculous.

I'll be looking forward to reading this. Rock books are usually a version of the truth and I wouldn't expect this one to be any different - though hopefully it won't contain stuff lifted from elsewhere without credit. It's bound to ignite partisan flames but all books like this do. Look at all the sh*t about Robertson v Helm or Henly and Frey v Felder and so on...

Agree. Looking forward to it tremendously. Whether Mike's outrageous or contrite, this should be good, so long as he has scope to tell it like he sees it, with no peer pressure to tow any party lines. Whether that be clichés or eye-openers, bring it on!

The interesting thing for me would be to see if mike adds new evidence or documentation for the early years. As I said once before, when writing my book I kept hoping a photo of the 1961 bbs with al would turn up but it never did. But it is entirely possible mike has one in his basement.

Are you Randy Jackson in disguise?

No, but I have a cut out of his face that I wear whenever I post here. So I guess I'm Woodstock disguised AS Randy Jackson

Here's the story in Rolling Stone: 
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-memoir-good-vibration-my-life-as-a-beach-boy-due-in-2016-20141120?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=112014_16&utm_medium=email&ea=Ymdhc3dvb2RpZUBhb2wuY29t 

or shortened:  http://tinyurl.com/mrzdaez

I actually thought axe-grinding or excuses or justifications, if present, would be the most arduous thing to read in such a book. But now I'm least looking forward to pontifications on "a country in transition", "audiences coming together in harmony", and the "enduring appeal of the Beach Boy sound."

Now I'm picturing the book reading like those awkward narrative bits from the "An American Band" documentary.  :lol    "A war was goin' on, and a lot was goin' down!"

Onward Cougars!

Not that I would ever misuse it or anything, but oh... dare we hope for an audiobook version read by the man himself?

Monetize that microphone, Mr Love!

If Mike doesn't want to do it, I vote Harry Dean Stanton. I wanna hear him drawl out "Kokomo" in a really melancholy voice repeatedly.

Mike is not and has never been at Brian's level.

Musically or personally.

Go to the RS story and read the comments at the bottom. Wow! They are even worse than the ones here.

Double post ...sorry

Well, we could always do an audiobook reading of the comments section.

We'll have to put an 'Explicit Content' warning on that release :o

At least Mike beat Dave Grohl to his daily Rolling Stone stroke post! As a Beach Boys fan, this makes me proud :))

You see, Brian was out of it, on drugs, in his room.  I, on the other hand, was Mr. Positivity.  that's who I am, what I do.  ya, know, thers a lot to be said for not taking drugs.   Meditation has allowed me to be the leader and anchor of this band since around 1967, when Brian wrote his last dynamic song, Heroes  and Villains.   You see, I was a Wilson too.  My mother was a Wilson.  Uncle Murray managed us in the beginning.  I would come up with boy girl lyrics and Brian would pound out a little tune on his piano (chuckle).    Brian messed with the formula.  It got just too weird and spooky.  did you know that I wrote the positive girl boy lyric to save Good Vibrations?   I just KNEW we had to get it down to the ground and make it a Beachboys song!  We tried to get Brian involved with Kokomo but Dr. Landy just wouldn't allow it.

Sadly this is true. When I visited Sydney this year, the not very old travel guide books I got from the library recommended four good book stores, three of them were gone. The remaining one had a big sign: "Real bookstores still exist!" :)

I look forward to Mike's book.

This is both good & bad news. Good - we get to read some interesting extracts (which I'm sure will be there amid the ho-hum). Bad - dissecting the book & turning casual things into negative (like the champaigne quip wrt Dennis's funeral).

That can't be right. I'm sure I read on here that it was just a few disgruntled Smiley Smilers that dislike Mike.

 Garfunkel, Oats, and Love.

RangeRoverA1 - that post left me confused...under negative aspects...

Bringing champagne to celebrate one's life, taken "as a whole" and not just post downward-spiral, I found very cool, and looking at the goodness of Dennis' essence and sparkle, not unlike the "bubbly" essence of champagne.  Dennis' earlier onstage days were exactly that - full of effervescence!  ;)

And, here's to Dennis! (Even if it is only lowly brew!)  :beer

Felder, Helm, Fogerty, Gilmour

From Mike's bio:

Brian's a weird character. There's a lot of difficulty pinning down his actual age. See, he was born in 1942. It's firmly established that by 1968, he was 26. But then something funny happens.

As you very well may know, he started taking hallucinogens. LSD, mainly, fed to him by his stoned out fan club. That set him back, I'd estimate, two decades. So now he's spiritually 7 years old by 1969. Granted, he was a darn talented 7 year old. Sure, most of the time he was writing songs about trees, stars, or dying, but he did write "Add Some Music to Your Day" with me, and I believe "It's OK" was from around then. "It's OK" was his highest charting original song in the 1970s, and I believe my positive lyrics had a lot to do with that.

Anyway, by 1973 he was now 11. Almost a teenager again. I thought, great, maybe Brian can write some great teen hits with his partners in the band again.

Nope. Instead, he retreats to his bedroom and loses probably a half-decade of age through drugs. So he should've been 14 in 1976, but the f*cker is actually 9 now. So he writes songs about roller skating and being stuck in class. Not good, man. I tried to save "Roller Skating Child" with a bridge about ESP people could relate to, but I'm not a miracle worker. I'm just Mike Love.

Mercifully we were able to get Brian aging properly again, until about 1981, when he was 14 yet again. Of course he starts abusing hard drugs, and then his therapist Eugene Landy comes in around 1983 for the second time. Landy keeps Brian in age "stasis" by managing all of Brian's affairs and, basically, thinking for him. When we finally gave Landy the boot with the help of my cousin Carl Wilson, it was 1992, after I'd recorded "Kokomo" without Brian. Brian's still 14, mind you, but he has the body of a 50 year old! It was a really strange situation.

As luck would have it, Brian has aged more or less normally since then. We celebrated his 18th birthday in 1996 and considered recording with him as a result. Ultimately, we decided to wait until he was 34. We just didn't feel like young adult Brian was a good fit. We wanted to wait until he got past his previous high water mark of 26.

But by golly, he did, and I'm really proud of him, in the way a dad might be proud of his son.

Dennis' interview with Pete Fornatale tells the story...Dennis had several frames of reference:  First, and foremost, as a sibling, who didn't care if Brian ever did anything musically again, as long as he recovered. 

Second, Dennis doubted whether Brian could ever rebound.  Dennis is not Mike.

Third, as a fellow band member, Dennis could assess Brian's progress with a before and after eyewitness perch.

And, fourth, Dennis laughingly but firmly and seriously unbraided critics who alleged that there was in-house band conflict over what Brian had worked on for them to perform on and record.  This interview and others done by the band, specifically Paris, Gaumont Palace, has Carl and other members, including Mike, speaking to the conflict between the band members and the record company. 

Those audio and video interviews are available to counter this nonsense.

Who would not find an audio or video interview credible with either Dennis or Carl? 

Awful book title

Should really be called, "Dr. Love or: How I Learned to Stop Van Dyke Parks and write the lyrics to Good Vibrations"

I know it's nitpicky, but for such a confident guy why does Mike always have to bill himself as "of The Beach Boys"? Mick Jagger doesn't need to. Paul McCartney doesn't either? Nor does Brian Wilson. Kinda reeks of insecurity for such a "legend".

I found some intriguing footage showing Mike Love with Filledeplage, AGD, Pinder Goes to Kokomo and Sheriff John Stone around him.

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With Mike love writing a book, I would have hoped that he would collaborate up with AGD as a historian to help him with it,  since they do know each other...and AGD possibly knows more than he does  :lol

or maybe this is already a truth ;)
can we have any hints?

and a smiley :beer to u to!

You're onto something. To begin with, AGD actually likes LBWL, whereas Hirsch wasn't aware of its existence.

A legend in his mind only.  ::)

Ok, it's time to throw out all the other nominees, this is the one and only, never to be duplicated

                                                                         

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I'm curious to see how he works "love" into the title so it's a play on words. It can't be a Mike project without it! Looking Back  With Love would have been a great title to actually use now, sadly he used it 30 years too soon. Good Vibrations and Assassinations should be a chapter title at least.

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MIKE LOVE: "We're all crying here because we realized it had been two years since Brian's last truly dynamic production. About two decades later I'd write 'Kokomo' without Brian, which brought the group back to the stature it enjoyed before Brian had permanently stepped back from his leadership position."

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MIKE LOVE: "This was Mick two months after I called him chickenshit. It'd be another year before he'd feel safe from me."

from Chapter 252: The Case Against Alan Jardine (Continued)

Alan Jardine can't let things go. He professes to follow the teachings of the Maharashi Mahesh Yogi, but his true guru seems to be bitterness... and the "Man from Monterey" sure knows how to nurse a decades-long grudge instead of letting the good vibrations flow. Wouldn't it be nice if we could get along? God only knows why he persists in saying terrible things about me in interviews, always painting the Beach Boys as heroes and villains. Guess who he calls the villain! All I want to do is spread positivity all summer long.  It pains me deeply as a bandmember and lifelong friend to say this, but he just can't let things go.

Take for example 1998. Carl Wilson had  passed on after a brave struggle. Zeppo Wilson was moving heaven and earth to keep things afloat, the family really came together and I was an entertaining an offer to play the Super Bowl without Al Jardine. But where others saw reasons to come together, Al Jardine saw an opportunity: in his twisted mind he figured they could continue being the Beach Boys without me! I didn't even know who Peter Cetera was but he thought he and Cousin Brian would somehow make up for the lack of Mike Love. He didn't understand that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts, and how we each make such wonderful, endless harmony together. So I had no choice but to remove him from the band to preserve the wonderful group we maintain to this day playing shows from coast to coast, country to country, paying tribute every night to the talents of Carl, Dennis, and Brian.

There isn't a tribute to Al Jardine, and it's not just because my band can do a much better "Help Me Rhonda" or an even sweeter "Then I Kissed Her," and it's not even because he warned us not to use his likeness on the video projections -- it's because I still can't believe how he tried to arrange some sort of symphonic "Beach Boys" Pet Sounds tour without me! Without I, Mike Love... who penned the immortal words "good night baby, sleep tight baby." That hook that everybody remembers and helped put our track in every romantic comedy and car commercial we rented it to. How could you possibly perform Pet Sounds without that?

Jardine thinks we are somehow "cheapening the legacy," just like he does when my good friend John Stamos from television's hit series "Full House" would join us on stage to play a hot guitar solo or show us he knows how to play the drums. Alan would make a face, a sour face that was totally against our fun in the sun image... but that's just because he can't let go. Can't move on from the past, can't embrace the future and "do it again." What he did to me in the 90s I will never forget, they say betrayal comes in many forms but it's most upsetting form has got to be a small man with orange hair in a white suit.

Alan Jardine just can't let things go. 

 :lol :lol :lol

What's with the nitpicking? The guy is simply not a household name like the other guys you mentioned or has had a lengthy solo career like McCartney, so why shouldn't he include "Of The Beach Boys?" .... And if you really think anyone would be flocking to see Brian or buying his albums if he wasn't "of The Beach Boys" ..... Er...

Some predictions:

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/nov/21/mike-love-what-to-expect-from-his-autobiography (http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/nov/21/mike-love-what-to-expect-from-his-autobiography)

That's a piss-poor piece for The Guardian - expected better than a load of semi-informed smart-arse speculation akin to what some fourth-former halfway through puberty might concoct. Surprised an editor let it through.

Anyone else miss Smile 2001?

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I'm starting to truly hate music "journalism"

Personally, I could care less. It will be the gospel according to Mike and probably full of Maharishi crud. The best are the biographies rather than the autobiographies. That being said, it would be great if Zeppo Wilson would write a book. He is the only one of the bunch that is well centered and without issues or baggage.

Aye but the Gospel According to Mike will at least be Mike's Yang to Love & Mercy's Ying. While both might have their shares of perhaps misremembered history, they ought at least to relate history as their nominal authors claim to have experienced it. Somewhere in the middle, with a little help from Stebbins, Doe, Carlin, Dempsey, Reum and a few others, we'll eventually have something approximating a real timeline, accompanied by the main participants' interpretation of that.

Still hoping Bruce will put pen to paper and tell us what he really thinks…

That depends I guess...

The interesting thing about any autobiography I suppose is to hear one person`s perception (sometimes false) of their own life. I doubt anyone will be buying the book with expectations of getting `the truth`.

One thing I will confidently predict: Mike's book won't plagiarise other previous publications, any more than Brian's  upcoming volume will.

You put that so much better than I did ;D

Is there a chapter on the Country Love album in this book and/or has it already been covered elsewhere? That album is an intriguing project.

One entire chapter dedicated to cutlery, another one dedicated to how he came up with the idea for Rockin' the Man in the Boat.

Also, lots of new details regarding the making of Disco Celebration. Can't wait! :)

I think you at least have a shot at the truth with Mike's book. He's allowed to tell the truth, nobody tells him what to say, and I don't think anybody will demand to have things taken out or added.

I don't think any of them was in the band






Surely the book will get lots of promotion. But unfortunately most of it will probably be like this. Though it's the same stuff that we predict on this board, it's all in fun and not too serious. Yet when written e.g. by the Guardian it's just stupid if they don't happen to have an advance copy.

No autobiography is going to be `the truth` though because we are all unreliable witnesses in our own lives.

Okay, let me rephrase. For such a confident "legendary" singer why can't Mike release a new song or a book without having to bill himself as "of The Beach Boys"? Mick Jagger doesn't need to point out that he's "OF THE ROLLING STONES" nor does Paul McCartney need to add an "OF THE BEATLES" to his name.

I also find it kinda sad that he never has the guts to go out publicly without his hat. Or that he always needs to wear a hat with the logo of The Beach Boys. He must be very insecure. It's sad. He's done quite a lot of awesome work. Too bad he doesn't seem to think that he himself is good enough.

Agreed. That's why I'm looking forward to Brian's book as well. With Brian unhindered by any strings of Landy or the like, and Mike probably wanting to set the record straight on a few things...It'll be great to see things from these guys' perspectives..

Ontor, you obviously have gotten your hands on a first draft copy of the manuscript....You must share other chapters.  ;D

Best way to promote this book and max sales would be to go out on the road with Brian, Al, Dave, Bruce, and maybe even Blondie and Ricky. But that might mean holding a few punches in the book. Ho hum…

Yeah. My immediate thought when I saw the release date was "Oh well, no PS50 tour."

That Mike has decided to do this book at all, in the firm knowledge that there isn't a hope in hell of it getting a fair hearing in the media at large (never mind on the BB forums) is probably the most amazing fact concerning this project.

Mike - a stoic victim of a heartless, cruel and unjust society in moral decay. Still he releases a book. We certainly need heroes in a time like this and Mike is stepping up to the plate.

I personally do think it takes a certain amount of bravery to release something that you know is going to be vilified regardless of its quality by a certain percentage

My point is thus proven to perfection.

How come? What is the worst thing that can happen to ML of the Beach Boys?

And so is mine.

The public has the right idea of Mike.

Unfair media hearings like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrSQ5tZMWhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrSQ5tZMWhU)

O'Reilly gets him. Pals in paradise!

Tell me, what's it like to have such a closed mind ? Life must be so easy for you, so black and white.

Almost, but my work will continue until my last breath. :old

I am not worthy for your crusade. :'(

Normal (dis)service has been resumed. A month, tops.

I do not have a closed mind. Your assumption is therefor wrong. Must be a first. :) And your assertion only a close-minded person fail to see Mike as a victim is wrong. You can not feed false premises into a logical argument and get away with it. I don't see Mike as any kind of victim since he is a fairly dominant person and often gets things his way. Am I wrong here?

I intend to:

• buy Mike's book
  
• read Mike's book
• take into consideration the information presented in Mike's book
• compare that information with other accounts of information

Thus is the life of those who cannot understand Mike.

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Finally, a translation that does justice to the master's work.

I must admit that is pretty damn well put.

Even Mike must know that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

There are much worse positions to be in than when even your non-fans are buying your product :)

Well....

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and then he posted this on his facebook site:

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Being bald, one should always wear a hat in the sun.



To tell you the truth, I'm looking forward very much to see what Brian and Mike have to say about the Beach Boys tour and it's ending in 2012 repectively. IF they have to say more than what we read in interviews.

 It would be nice if they weren't able to read each others books before publication, so as to stop  at least some of the he said/he said

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CSPAN BOOK-TV written all over it!

Mike seems to be singing into a Shure 545 in that pic I didn't realise he as well as Brian recorded through that.

Legendary Hall of Fame material. Archival. Readily deserves incredibly more than a  :woot.

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If he's that brave, he should make his solo albums available for download.

I'd say with the exception of the demise of C50 and the incorrect "firing" headlines (which had more to do with lazy reporting than being out to get Mike; and which could have been avoided to some degree by a better PR staff), Mike has had a pretty easy go of it from the "mainstream media." That is, everyone but a hand full of snarky folks specifically in music industry-related media.

But when he has gone on talk shows and whatnot, he gets lobbed largely softball questions, and nobody ever broaches the subject of why he's using the name without the other surviving BB's (talking about Brian not touring since 1965 doesn't count).

I predict all hell may break loose among hardcore BB fan communities, and there might be a snarky review in Mojo or Rolling Stone or something, but I also predict that Mike will hit the typical media outlets to promote his book and will not be confronted and will instead be allowed to essentially restate the talking points of whatever is in his book. He might hit a few of his friendly outlets like O'Reilly, and he'll do whatever daytime talkshow iterations are going in 2016, etc.

I don't think Mike or a publisher would be worried at all that the media will bash the book. It will go down like most rock "memoirs." I would guess a lot of what we'll see in the coverage and interviews will be the same cliche sound bites from both Mike and the media that we get now:

"Please welcome original Beach Boy Mike Love to "INSERT NAME OF SHOW." He has just released a new memoir titled "Good Vibrations." Thanks for being with us this morning, Mike. What was it like to be singing about surf and sand and hot rods and being the great soundtrack to our lives?"

"The Beach Boys had some turbulent times in the later 60's. In the book you talk about Brian Wilson's struggles with drugs. How did you keep the group together during that time?"

"A lot of fans talk about the genius of Brian Wilson. You were the lyricist on many of our favorite hits. What was your contribution to the band?"

"You resurrected the group's hit-making potential in the late 80's with "Kokomo." Tell us about that."

"You've been touring pretty much non-stop for over 50 years Mike, carrying the torch for the group. What does it mean to you, and how do you do it?"

He`s been asked dozens of times about this surely...

Well, yes, that being his whole point about cliche sound bites.

I'd like to hear someone ask…

"So Mike, apart from some flash in the pan Kokomo, the Beach Boys didn't really have a hit new record in all the years between the Brian-produced Rock and Roll Music single in 1976 and the album TWGMTR in 2012.  You musta really missed Cousinn Brian during those 36 years…?"

(Feel free to pick the stats apart but) it would be good to at least have the questions put Mike on the back foot Nd have him think up something other than stock answers to stock questions…

… and I hope he'll address such stuff openly and honestly (as he sees it, least) in the book.

Mike is an absolute genius for putting out this book at this time.

It's like he went "oh wait, a massive contingent of fans of my band absolutely hate my guts? Great, I'll write a book and make a bunch of money off them" :)))

Just to be nitpicking, I think that "Come go with me" "Wipe out" (he'd surely mention this) and "Getcha back" all were quite succesfull, of course not in the "Kokomo" way. And none of them had very much Brian involvement.

I never listen to it, but isn't Brian probably the most prominent BB on "Wipe Out"?

And there was also two other top 40 hits, "It's OK" and "Good Timin'", both written by Brian.

And arguably "Getcha Back" was a hit in part to Brian's classic vocals on it. So yeah.

I hope the rest of the Boys also write their own memoirs before it is too late because the group's legacy deserves it.

I'm not, but I do look forward to read what Mike has to say about his perception of things. I hope there is some self-critical content as well.



I could not agree more.

Brian is the only Beach Boy on Wipeout.

Ha! You're right. I kinda got confused because he was so on-off during that time when it comes to the Beach Boys.






The falsetto is great. But I don't know if it was that much a reason for the song's success. It's a damn catchy tune that fit right in those nostalgic times. 

And arguably every single Beach Boys hit was a hit in part due to The Beach Boys classic vocals.

wrong topic

The book will tank exactly like SIP tanked along with the released solo fodder. The only aspect of the book that may be intriguing is whether or not he'll wear his hat on the cover picture.  :tm

Will the hat say LOVE or THE BEACH BOYS on it? It could go either way.

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Actually, the cover photo, the table of contents, the forward, the text, pictures and index will be forever tattooed on his rarely seen horseshoe spread. :old

:lol "The White Autobiography" in honor of his Beatles connection.

The more I learn about this project, the less I feel it's going to be an airbrushed snow job. Going to be an interesting read.

Excerpt from a new interview with ML that details some of what he's planning for the new book:


Source: http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/12/the_good_vibrations_of_being_a.html

It was sure nice of Mike to let BW contribute to Good Vibrations:

 ;)

I saw Dick Cheney on TV this morning, too, so this morning has been consistent.

I'm just glad he's finally going to address those rumors about meeting some Beatles in India.

"Truth and reality are good things." - The Lovester

"We're obsessed with recreating the songs as close to the record as possible,"

Presumably this is why he doesn't like touring with too many musicians with goofy sh*t like French horns and such.

I'm waiting for the chapter entitled "I Wrote The Hits". That will without a doubt be the bulk of this book that will finally set the world straight on how talented he is. It may take second place however to the "They Couldn't Have Done It Without Me" chapter which will blow the lid off the industry. Think about it-it's his last chance before he croaks to re-write history unless he gets a TV movie deal. :lol

Stop hating on Mike. He's a smart guy. He knows about "cumulous nimbus" clouds and the word "apropos".

Good point.

Since they mention Manson in this piece, I'm curious if he'll ever elaborate on the claim he made in the Howard Stern interview about Manson's people "machine-gunning a black guy" or something like that. It was a very bizarre comment and I've never heard it associated with Manson before. Could just be Mike Love trying to sound coooool and edgy I guess.

That had me laughing out loud! There really should be a fan fiction thread for this sort of thing. It would be great to come home from work and be able to read a thread of this kind of stuff.

I'll buy into the second part of that post! ;D

Oh my God! Are you going to have a field day when this book gets published or what? You're gonna think you died and went to heaven. ;)

I for one am so looking forward to it! His interviews are such a treat, the idea of a few hundred pages of unfettered Love being unleashed is going to be delightful!

I just hope he does an audiobook reading. I know there is barely a market for the book as it is, but c'mon Mike. Get audible.com on the horn.

If there is an audiobook, I want William Shatner doing the reading. If Shatner is unavailable, then get Christopher Walken.

Looking forward to the stories about hanging out with Marlon Brando    :o

I like how those unexpected hanging out with celebrities stories are all concerning dead people who wouldn't be able to contradict him. Unless they are all stories about Otis Williams, I guess.

Shatner/Love? Epic. Epic. He'd sound real good reciting Pisces Brothers too.

I don't think Mike has any control over how long someone lives or when they will die.

It's a shame! It would've been fun to hear George Harrison's reaction to Pisces Brothers. Or Marlon Brando mumbling "Mike who?"

At least I hope so! :o

He may not decide who lives and who dies, but I'm told if he's especially angry, he can shoot "force lightning" from his fingertips. Just ask Al Jardine.

If so, poor OSD and SB could be in some serious trouble then. ;)

Hmm, you may be right. Hopefully he'll just torture me a little and then let me go as an example to others... I could mumble incoherently about "First Love" and sing the praises of Viggie.

:lol

I would buy the audiobook specifically to hear William Shatner recite the story of how Mike wrote the lyrics to Good Vibrations while driving his Jaguar convertible to the studio. Complete with the usual Shatner overemphasis of random words, dramatic pauses, and explosions of emotion.

"It was a balmy day in Los Angeles, I shifted into 2nd gear as I turned onto La Cienega coming from Segundo, the sun was glistening brightly off the newly-polished chrome trim on my XKE. The air smelled sweet as if it had been perfumed that day. As I drove along, out of the corner of my eye I noticed a girl walking with a flower in her hair and a bright, flowing paisley dress, and carrying a certain confidence mixed with the most pure sense of joie de vivre. She gave a soft smile to no one in particluar, she must be a KIND person, I thought. No, more than that, this girl KNOWS what's up, man, she's in the GROOVE! I had been struggling with the lyrics for our new single, how do I make this relatable to all of the magic which was surrounding me that day...I came up to a stop light, BAM! It hit me like a flash of bright, gleaming, glorious sunlight from above...I love the colorful clothes she wears! YES! And the way the sunlight was gleaming off my yellow Jag that day...I'll twist that somehow, let me think...and the way the sunlight plays upon...my Jag? No...HER HAIR! I had it. Yes. Groovy, boss, here we go. The lyrics poured out of me as I shifted out of first as the light changed to green, they began to flow as effortlessly as the gasoline pouring into the Jaguar's engine as I stepped on the accelerator and heard the engine purr...blossom worlds, gentle words, I closed my eyes and saw the girl walking down La Cienega replayed in my mind, and it was IT, man. It was in the BAG! I knew we had an out of the box smash hit at that moment in time, that glorious moment in Los Angeles, oh that those moments would come more often..."

GF, do you teach a creative writing class in urban Philadelphia?..... :lol :lol :lol

It's a shame Mike Love had William S. Burroughs killed, he would've done justice to an audiobook as well...

I could feel the Kokomo closing in, feel Bruce Johnston out there making his moves, setting up their Jeff Foskett stool pigeons, crooning and pantomiming over my spoon and dropper I throw away at Washington Square Station, vault a turnstile and two flights down the iron stairs, point at an uptown A train and then at someone waiting for the train...
 

If we're lucky, really lucky, maybe M. Night Shyamalan will direct the feature film Love biopic adaptation.

If marketing strategies are being considered, I'd like to pitch this idea, going for a cross-promotional, personal appearance-based campaign encompassing both the social media demographic and the 50th anniversary of the Pet Sounds album. This could be epic:

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The twist is BW wrote all the BB's music... :lol

Grumpy Cat might have a problem taking 2nd billing...

This is true. I saw a line around the block for Grumpy Cat on Fairfax.

I think Grumpy Cat's demands could be bought off by guaranteeing a bag of catnip, a ball of yarn, a pillow inside a cardboard box, and a few cans of Albacore tuna at every appearance.

 ;D

Makes for a helluva Rider.

I hear they have wives and managers who will work that out on the condition they can be in the same room together. :p :p

I just realized that all of the things you listed work for me too...

Mike Love: "So I said to Grumpy Cat, what you really ought to do is do a book with a bunch of pictures of your face in it. Then while you're at it, crank out some coffee mugs, t-shirts, calendars, etc"

 :lol :lol

Hilarious, Debbie! It's no wonder Brian was so fond of you...

But if Grumpy Cat was granted all of those demands, would that not mean that Grumpy Cat was no longer grumpy??  :smokin

I know Grumpy Debbie would no longer be grumpy - a belly rub and a little champagne works, too...

 :lol

Just for once, maybe on April Fool's Day or something, I want Mike to stop with the tired, old pre '66 lyrical references that he is addicted to repeating... and to speak in only SMiLE lyrical references in an interview of some sort.

It will surely be a hit in this forum - to bitch about every damn paragraph in the book you must BUY the book!  :-D

If Mike is wise he'll refrain from going on the attack against the Wilsons in his book. But, based on his recent interviews, I don't hold out much hope for this.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Mike needs to make it sound like it was all sweetness and light in the band. And, I certainly think he has every right to put his version of their story out there.  And, he has every right to be proud of his contributions and take his place in the history of the band.

But, it would really help his case if he learns to watch his tone.

He complains that he's misunderstood, but he has a big problem if he takes the approach he's been using in interviews.  The first problem is that two of the Wilsons are dead and the public doesn't like for people to attack those who aren't around to defend themselves. Especially when they are highly regarded and have a pretty big fan base of their own.  Hammering Carl or Dennis won't win Mike any fans.

The other, bigger, problem has the initials BDW. Brian is the back-from-the- near -dead musical genius that the public enjoys rooting for. Brian is a comeback story and the public loves a comeback story. And, that story will hit the big screen, and public awareness,  before Mike's book ever hits the bookstores.  Mike's lack of tact and finesse toward Brian's struggles is part of the reason he already has the reputation for being a jerk and a bully.  Whether Mike likes it, or not, Brian has engendered a certain level of empathy and support from the public.  That same public is not going to warm to an expanded version of "The Wilsons did drugs and I didn't. Brian's a vegged out druggie. He wrote weird, sad, drugged up "artsy" songs and I'm all about positivity, alliteration (Seriously. Someone teach the man what alliteration is) and the silver lining on the cumulus nimbus. Plus, I met some Beatles."

If he really wants to tell his story in a way that will improve his reputation, he needs to show some sensitivity in the narrative toward his cousins in general, and Brian in particular. A little acknowledgment of the impact of abuse and mental illness and a little less glory grabbing will help improve his reputation.

Strangely enough, two years ago, he pulled the plug on the one thing that was actually improving his goodwill with the public, and I just think it will take a lot to get it back. A book that reads like his interviews will just be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

What's Fairfax? Don't tell me Grumpy Cat does live appearances?

My mother looks strikingly like Grumpy Cat, and this October I gave her a Grumpy Cat book as a birthday present. It actually made her mellow out a bit... :)

Or he could take the entirety justified view that whatever he says will be derided, misquoted or just plain ignored, and say WTF he feels like anyway. I doubt that. I feel this book will be a lot more interesting than some here will be comfortable with.

Sounds like an awfully paranoid place to memoir from!

Well, at least you'll make sure dates will be correct....

Catching up with some of the news this week, I noticed something that made me curious.

Quote from this article: http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/12/the_good_vibrations_of_being_a.html (http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/12/the_good_vibrations_of_being_a.html)

"So he's working on his own book, with the help of a cowriter "who knows more about the Beach Boys than I do," and interviews to get other perspectives, Love said. "Truth and reality are good things." "

We know the co-author is James Hirsch, who has written books on Willie Mays and Hurricane Carter, and previously reported for the NYT and WSJ newspapers.

Is James Hirsch "one of us", so to speak, a Beach Boys obsessive fan? Just wondering if he's on the board, or reads the board, or whatever the case. On the surface I don't get the impression he would know more about the Beach Boys than Mike himself, based on his previous book subjects which lean toward sports and sociology topics, but who knows, right?

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Hmmm. I think there are plenty of people in this forum that bitch without ever seeing, listening or reading!

They already have !

That goes with book, video or album release on here. I just ignore it.

I'm really looking forward to this book and need to make sure I have the day off when it's released so I can get through it all.

I am looking forward to the book, but I doubt there's much that is not already known.  I hope Mike Love has the good sense not to go into all the gory details of bad behavior fueled by alcohol and drug abuse.

I won't be shocked if a lot of stuff comes out but from Mike's side and then it will be discredited because Mike didn't bring it up before. Kind of a damned if he does and damned if he don't like is done with the uncredited songwriting.

Wait, I thought we were talking about Mike's new book, not Brian's new album.  :)

So glad you won't be shocked. Whew, that's a load off everyone's mind. Now, let's have a moment of silence for poor, poor, pitiful Mike who could care less while laughing all the way to the bank.  ::)

Always a pleasure to read your well reasoned bloviating as well.   :-*

Always happy to oblige anytime! :wave

Note to self: Start collection of Mott-isms for posterity

If he just wrote something like: "everybody knows about the personal problems we all had over the years and all the negative stuff and infighting, it's all been written before, and there's no need to re-hash it here", that might work for everybody. I mean, it can't be totally ignored since it did have a damaging effect on the band, but it's known and accepted at this point. Maybe I'm expecting too much. Hope lingers.

I think this is expecting too much. I do wonder if Mike thinks there are any self-inflicted blights on his record (beyond the obvious Rock and Roll Hall of Fame speech) that he would, while still perhaps partially defending, would also admit were untactful or just plain uncool - because the hope is that a modicum of awareness would help him not repeat such in the book.  For example, I would like very much to think that Mike and his people are now aware that it's not in his best interest to come off (in the book) as he did when talking about the Wilsons on "Lifestyles of the Rick and Famous".

And the point of Mike's booklet would then be?  He's gotta deliver some 'goods.'...not some good.  Things, as they happened, and as seen through the eyes of Mike Love.  The perspective will be unique to the extreme.  And it'll be an honest assessment of how it all went down.  At least honest from Mike's point of view.

Mike's perspective may well be an interesting 'take' bound to stir up controversy and debate.  As for mending fences?  I don't think we'll see ANY of that.  No...it's going to be quite the opposite.  THAT'll sell books and Mr. Love will be ALL ABOUT selling those books.  This time he really will be delivering 'words' if not lyrics and as those words have the potential to put dollars in his pocket it's gonna be a whole lot more than just  "she's givin' me excitations."

I hope the book comes with free bonus hooks and fishing line...maybe even a good, strong, sturdy stick.  It'll be a serious can of worms we'll open when it arrives.  Folks here will go crazy.  There'll be people banned left right and centre.  The damage to the Beach Boys universe could well be mortal in terms of the wound this tale could inflict.  But Mike won't care.  He'll be too busy cashing the cheques.  [and laughing at us. :lol]

It'll certainly be a hilarious shitstorm here when it comes out, but I'll doubt he'll get a check after the advance. There's not really going to be much interest in his tome among an audience bigger than Beach Boys fans... it's just not a very compelling story. I didn't do drugs, my cousins did, TM is the best = zzzzzzzzz.

Where's the hook? The comeback to root for, the angle an Oprah would exploit or streaming media Larry King would feign interest in?

LARRY: "So you didn't do drugs."

MIKE: "Nope."

LARRY: "We'll be right back after this commercial for my own show."

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I mean, can you picture him telling the truth about however may wives he had or something for example? Which abusive dad do you think he'll be more honest about and talk about more... Murry or Milton? Made4tv fake doctors with talk shows are not going to look kindly at all the finger-pointing... and the total lack of the sort of lacerating oh woe is me look how bad I was but now I'm saved self-reflection that sells this kind of bookslop.

On the plus side, unsold copies can be pulped and recycled into more Twilight books...

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THE BEACH BOYS AND THE ENVIRONMENT THANK YOU!

It'll be a laugh a minute romp here, of course! We can do 20 pages of threadage over someone naming an incorrect date. I don't envy the jobs his co-writer and according to someone who would knows have.

I didn't know where to put this, and I didn't want to start a new thread, so I'll just put it here.  Apologies if it's been brought up.  I just read a short interview by Andy Greene in Rolling Stone with Ringo about him getting inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and there was a brief Beach Boys / Mike Love mention.

AG: Tell me your memories of the 1988 ceremony when the Beatles got inducted.
RS: 1988 was a long time ago, I'm afraid. It was a big dinner with a lot of people. Mick [Jagger] was there. It's interesting that you do those gigs and you bump into a lot of people you haven't met in a long time, so that's always good.

AG: Do you recall Mike Love's speech that night?
RS: I don't. Did he mention me?

AG: He chewed out most people in the room, including the Beatles, and said that Mick Jagger was too "chickenshit" to get on stage with the Beach Boys.
RS: Yeah. I don't really ever listen to what he has to say [laughs].  :lol

https://www.yahoo.com/music/s/ringo-starr-hall-fame-induction-finally-four-us-065100554-rolling-stone.html

Saw this early this morning and wondered how long it would be before the link would appear here.  I laughed when I saw it.  Ringo played onstage with them in DC in 1984, so Ringo knows it is innocuous and takes it in stride.  Great for Ringo! He seems like a really great, humble guy. Congrats to The Beatles!   :love

That would look great on the back cover.

"I don't really ever listen to what he has to say." - Ringo Starr

It would show how Mike Love takes it in stride.

Good Morning ontor,

I had one of my kids in 1988, who is 26. 

As long as they put the date in. (Someone said something in 1988!) And, it looks ridiculous, in my opinion. Give it context and see what "news value" it has.

You wanna have your face stuck in something you said in 1988? I don't. (And don't know your age.)

This is "only a movie" and if people get their "knickers in a twist" over something said 26 years ago, what does that say about them?

Go Ringo!

You should simply let go, and not feel you need to pick everytime Ontor posts

I think Mike should embrace Ringo not ever listening to what he has to say. It's a cute Ringo-ism, makes light of the whole thing. He's a mocker! Put it on the book, casually mention the Beatles in India. WIN/WIN.

It is kind of weird that many people who have a dislike for Mike Love, point to his drunken rambling at that 1988 R&RHOF speech, and say, "See what a pr*ck he is?", and here's Ringo, who was there, and was one of the targets of Mike's ramblings, and he doesn't even remember it.  I did think Ringo's comment was funny, though.  I was the only person in a large room full of office cubicles when I read it, and I laughed out loud.

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I hope nobody thinks I posted that comment just to start another war, or keep the fighting going, or whatever.  That's the last thing I want, ferchristssake.  I just thought it was funny.

That's a good one.  Not a mod or a rocker.  :lol

And it's worth noting, of course, that Ringo did not make the statement in 1988.

I think that's clear.

Yes, I thought so too, but I am somewhat unclear on a post above which appears to reference Ringo's quote and concludes, "Someone said something in 1988!"

Not so, bgas.

It seems that ontor and I are on much better footing. (I hope.)  And, I was not picking on him, or really adversarial, just offering a context.  A quarter of a century.  Some posters weren't even born then, and this isn't about ageism.  It's context.

His post was actually measured.

But, seriously, how long is anyone accountable for a 26 year old quote, notwithstanding it is from a somewhat public person.  

Suppose George Clooney said something in 1988.  What merit is it given in 2014?  The issue is that Ringo is a winner this year, and should be the focus, in my view.  

I suppose it's because there's a difference between some off-hand remark that one makes privately and a speech that would have been somewhat planned out and given at an official forum. And furthermore, the speech would become especially meaningful if it was part of a pattern of similar behaviour and remarks, rather than something out of character. Again, if it were out of character, one could say that the person was having an off-moment.

Try taking those mental blinkers off. As it stands, you don't have the first idea. Not. A. Clue.

Like I said, the more I learn of this project (which, never forget, is a good eighteen months from publication), the more interesting I feel it will be. Will it upset some posters here ? For sure... but not the way you're thinking. Several folk here shouldn't bother with it in any case, because they've already made up their minds, or such minds as they have.

True. :lol

But...I AM allowed to guess.

Of course... but you're not. You're making unequivocal statements.   ;D

Not too much unequivocal stuff there Andrew...mostly just guesses and speculation about content and possible results.  I would think unequivocally that Mike will hope to bank some dollars from 'doing' a book.  He doesn't do this all for free does he?

If there isn't someting of meat and potatoes interest...not to mention a little controversy...I'll be VERY surprised.   So...I would suggest that I have at least a clue.  Maybe 2. ;)

This *is* funny! :-D