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I only ask 'cos he's missing from the Summer Days album cover, and none of them are wearing shoes. Then there's the goat feeding on the Pet Sounds cover. Surely that means something.  Also, in recent pictures he looks nothing like he did in 65. Surely I'm not the only one who has noticed these discrepancies. 

There's some clues in the lyrics too.

'Since she put me down'

Yeah, down in the ground!

The la la la backing vocals on You're So Good To Me

La is Al backwards!

In Till I Die Brian is talking about feeling really small

Al was quite small

Till I Die is about dying!

To me this is cut and dried. Can anyone else spot any clues? And any details ad to how Al actually died?

It's also entirely possible Al died in 1963. Look at the first three album covers. That first lookalike looks NOTHING like Al. And again, note the lack of shoes.

Are we supposed to buy the whole dental school rubbish.

Isnt 'going to dental school' a euphemism for dying?

Well, it is now.

And even more spooky is the story of Brian driving Al around in 66 trying to convince him to take LSD.

FACT, LSD makes you hallucinate.

Brian hallucinated Al.

Cos Al was dead

FACT

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I think it's more poking a little fun at a Beach Boys version of the (in)famous "Paul McCartney is Dead" hoax.

On Isn't It Time from TWGMTR, "Al" sings

"Every time I think of you, all of those things we used to do"

But, so as not to be revealed, the lyric was changed when The Beach Boys hit to road to "all of those things we like to do"

States Al in "Don't Fight the Sea":

"The fog's closing in over me, over me
My blood's running cold, 'cause my life is on hold"

On HOLD? Or on permanent STOP? I will say no more.

"It's so sad to watch a sweet thing die." --Caroline, No

Who was sweet? Al.

Lady Lynda

"Won't you come here and lie lady Lynda with me
We can lie in the green canyon meadows"

Or maybe, lie in a cemetery in the meadows. 

On From There To Back Again Al sings "On this summer's day, there's nowhere else I'd rather be". Where would he like to be? Maybe back on earth with his fellow Beach Boy friends, instead of being stuck in heaven?

"I've been laying on my back, like a freight train off a track"

Does this seem to indicate Al was hit by a train while laying on the railroad tracks? Was he tied up? Inebriated? Too short to climb back up on the platform?

Yes, sit is clear to me Al was hit by a train.

Who ran the iron horse?

-Over Al, that is.

Wouldn't it be nice if we were older?

-sit would but alas, Al died young.

That spooky train sound at the end of Caroline, No... a DEAD giveaway.

Surf's Up is clearly a description of Al's funeral. Laughs come hard etc...

I'm liking this train idea....

Well, not liking it, it's terribly sad.

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Bruce is juuust replacement----exactly! That's why it's not about him. Read what KDS posted (in bold), several times if necessary.

Agreed, it's fairly over-the-top humour, hahaha, but Al's not the butt of it. It's the crazy "Paul is dead" situation transposed into Beach Boy Land.

Some very creative posts in there. Credit where credit's due, don't you think? :hat

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Brilliant thread!
I don't know about the train theory, but perhaps there is a tie in to Murry. He had that personality where he 'would explode into a room' and maybe was a bit of a runaway freight train. Murry was often physical with his sons and maybe it spilled over one heated night and he turned on Al. As Al was much slighter than his sons, Murry's force ended in tragedy. It had to be covered up, too much was at stake. Brian was devastated. Murry never forgave himself, and everytime he saw Al's replacement, David, he would be extra hard on him.

We'll have to keep uncovering the clues. Somewhere there is surely lyrics, that when played backwards, have the message 'I buried Al"

The Light Album (LA) LA is AL backwards.

And what was one of Al's signature live songs? That's right - "Runaway".

Jesus Christ, the pieces of the puzzle are really coming together...

Someone already mentioned it, but wow....

Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)

I've been lying on my back
Like a freight train off it's track

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You remind me of Sheldon Cooper. I love and respect Al. This is just humor. Read KDS's, JK's and Hickory Violet Part IV's replies, maybe you'll understand why we find this thread funny.

Also Murray Wilson faked his death too...

Do You Like Worms was clearly written for Al. Brian and VDP pondering how Al likes them worms eating his corpse six feet underground... Grotesk, but hey, that's art.

"Our Prayer" is really a prayer for his eternal soul. Macca is now known as "Faul" by the conspiracy theorists, and the replacement Al has been dubbed "Sal" by some, after Sal Valentino of the Beau Brummels, for obscure, unexplained reasons.

This explains why Mike wouldn't allow Sal Jardine to use the Beach Boys name!

- Al was buried in a cornfield (or cotton field) inwhich crows cried to uncover after being run over by a train. Killed by the mysterious man who ran the iron horse. Also referenced in "like a free train off a track.

- The imposter's name is Pete as exposed in the song Take a Load Off Your Feet sung by Al.

- David Marks real reason for quitting was because he refused to work with Pete at the time.

- Sail On Sailor is in reference to the Beach Boys sailing on without Al on Summer Days/Nights over

- Winds of Change/Santa Anna Winds is in reference to Al's  spirit influencing Pete

I think Al kicked it in the early 1970s. Because the guy who brilliantly produced Loop de Loop and (unless it's Brian, there are different credits) Susie Cincinnati is not the same guy who co-produced MIU.

Brilliant deductions!

'Al' during MIU era could be 'the third Al'. Probably 'the second Al' , who helped the group since 1965, had to leave the group in early 1970s. 

"Take good care of your feet

(Pete)"

A clue to the identity of the Al replacememt

In on a classic  :lol

In the early 70's, Al went to Cincinnati to undergo one of the first sex change operations ever attempted in the United States, becoming "Susie" and driving a cab around town.  He then wrote a song about his experience and submitted it to his replacement for inclusion on the 15 Big Ones album.

"Looks aren't exactly a plus" - Al didn't make a very attractive woman.  Still a car enthusiast, he enjoyed his groovy little motorcar.

If you look at the cover of 15 Big Ones, "Al" is the only band member looking away, clearly an attempt to hide the physical differences between the real Al (now Susie) and the imposter.

Sussie Cincinnati was made for Sunflower

Well, I have obsessed over the Paul McCartney thing so.....haha

A similarity between Faul and Sal (Pete). Faul wanted to changed the credits of Beatles songs to just Lennon or McCartney if only one of them wrote it. Ringo, Harrison and Yoko voted against him. The Beach Boys voted for Mike to have the right to tour using the name Beach Boys, but not Sal (Pete).

Good point...and on 20/20 Al is the only one with his hands together in prayer...praying to heaven..as in Al is in heaven!

In the cover of Pet Sounds, Al is the only one feeding a pool white animal, symbolizing heaven.

Sal (Pete) when combined is similar to saltpeter, which is rumored to be added to Army food to decrease soldiers' sex drives. One reason Carl supposedly wasn't willing to serve, in addition to his absolutely legit consciensciously non-violent beliefs, was for fear of permanent damage to his reproductive abilities from this adulterant (referenced in Brian's seemingly random "Let Go of Your Libido" asides during the Hang On To Your Ego sessions). "Keep It Clean" faux Jardine adopted the names in private in deference to Carl's ethical stand, and it leaked to conspiracy theorists, who inadvertently went with Sal(tPet)er's program.

"Libueno" was another monicker that faux Al went by for a short period after the release of Sunflower in 1970, taken from the cloying, nonsensical dialect featured in his "At My Window" from that album, which early BB pseudo-historian Ken Barnes dubbed a "bizarre patois, no doubt equally offensive to both man and beast."

On their own these theories appear far fetched, crazy even. Added together though, a worrying picture begins to emerge.  There is no doubt in my mind now that we have uncovered a startling conspiracy. I started this thread as a joke, looks like the joke's on me.

Perhaps some sort of photographic comparisons are needed. With some science.

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On their own these theories appear far fetched, crazy even. Added together though, a worrying picture begins to emerge.  There is no doubt in my mind now that we have uncovered a startling conspiracy. I started this thread as a joke, looks like the joke's on me.

Perhaps some sort of photographic comparisons are needed. With some science.
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Maybe the long-suppressed Zeppo Marx film footage could shed some light on this mystery, if he could be located. He was last seen taking a left turn at Albuquerque.

Possible names for Sal (Reggie Dunbar, Rumbo, Pete, Libueno). Somewhere in these names lie a clue.

Help Me Ronda was sung by the real Al, while Rhonda was sung by the fake Al. The extra H means 'has been'. Murry, who loved the original Al, hated Sal.

The original Al, a folky, was a musical genius as they found dozens of recordings called the Cottonfield tapes in 1968. Over the years, the Beach Boys have rerecorded many of the original Al's songs: Lookin At Tomorrow, California Saga, Lady Lynda, Santa Anna Winds, Don't fight the Sea and Postcard were all demos before he died in 65. Sal wrote Island Girl.

'Nuff said. SalPeteLibueno coulsdn't hold a candle to the original Al, which makes me even more surprised that Faul/Billy Shears has been able to so closely approximate Macca's talents through the years. Zeppo and Sal collaborated on "Beach Boys Dirge", a lament for the burgeoning dysfunctionality within the band and a statement of their solidarity in the face of adversity (i.e. Mike), with The Band, just after they finished jamming with Dylan at Big Pink.

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Sheldon Cooper from "The Big Bang Theory".
I don't think you're slow, I think you don't have a sense of humor. And I don't think this Al joke is over-the-top at all.

Maybe the real question is did Brian die during the Smile sessions, hence it's curious incompletion.....

Rumor has it that Zeppo Wilson tied Al to those train tracks. If you listen really carefully to the fade out of "Be With Me", you'll hear a recording of Al screaming, just before the train hit him.

Oh wow, man, like, that's spooooky.

Perhaps there is a clue in the train scene of Marx Brothers Go West!

Funnily enough, during that scene Groucho at one point yells out "Tote that barge, lift that bail!" from "Ol' Man River", which the group recorded.

Zeppo Marx had left the trio by that time, but he was visiting the set that day and overheard the line, and described the scene to his namesake/doppelgangerZeppo
Wilson years later, inspiring and prompting Brian to want to work out a vocal arrangement of the Jerome Kern classic.

All Sal-ient info. When At My Window was being composed, the bizarre patois attributed to the birds outside his window were trying to tell the world in their inimitable way that a new iteration was on the scene and to look out because, as Sal/Pete/Libueno said to David Leaf once (true story): "You know, you got it wrong, there are 5 geniuses in this group."

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If you don't like this thread then leave it.

Humor is lost on the strangeroverbot. ::)

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Quite a trail of deleted posts, what did I miss? Sal doesn't seem too popular 'round these parts.

Nothing really. It turns out Watamushi is the real Al Jardine. Proof was offered but Range Rover didn't believe it and this argument broke out. I bravely stepped between them and took some verbal damage, cos that's the kind of guy I am.

I'm OK though, don't worry.

I should have known. If you write Watamushi in capital letters and take away all letters except "A" and "I" and put them next to each other, what do you get? Al, of course.

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Looking for clues in the Sunflower cover. Mike is the preacher with white robes, Dennis the grave digger. Al with cowboy hat and vest, might be the gunfighter, mowed down. Lol on the inside sleeve, maybe Bruce is driving the hearse...

I'm not sure why people are getting angry about this thread. Nothing serious here. We aren't making fun of Al. We are making fun of the Paul is dead conspiracy.

"Ronda" Al was chastised by Murry for not syncopating enough, like a true jazz musician would, and presumably eventually did, to Brian's satisfaction at least, thereby becoming hep and "with it.". "Rhonda" Sal/Pete was one of the "clean livers", the antithesis of hepness and beatitude. OK, I'm reaching here.....

Cranberry sauce.

Maple syrup, surely?

Yep, I have shared some of my ideas that implied I was Al:
・I said that I didn't really like the first two albums of the BBs, which has little appearance of Al
・I once recommended Al's A Postcard from California along with Brian's solo albums.
・I'm definitely a big admirer for On Broadway, where Al sang lead.
・I seemingly love most of what Al has written:Susie Cincinnati, All This is That, Lookin' Down the Coast, Crack at Your Love, to name a few.
・Al once tried to control public opinions with his 'California Recall Blues', and I'm trying to control that in Pet Sounds Forum and Smiley Smile Forum with bunch of polls.
・Al likes Folk music. And I have some of my favorites among folk (or folk rock) musicians: Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, etc. I undeniably love to sing 'The Time They Are A-Changin', which Al sang on Party! album.

For all of these reasons, I swear that Watamushi must be Al Jardine, or Sal, or 'Rhonda' Al. He must've came here and PSF to convert every Brianista into 'Al'ista.

But wait, then who am I that is about to post this post  ???

Obviously you aren't Al, because he got hit by a train in 1965!

I just thought of one more. In Here Today when you hear background chatter, Brian says "put the top back on" Speaking of Al's coffin!

I'm relieved.

Good call, MTR, you have doggie ears and the mind of an addled amateur detective.

You have successfully fooled us all (until now), congratulations!

Tell it to the 'Al' in me ;D

It's a little known fact that after the real Al passed in 1965, Paul Simon was approached about joining The Beach Boys, but he turned down the offer as he didn't want to be a mere Al Jardine replacement. 

Over two decades later, he used this an inspired when he was stuck on a title for a new song.  He settled on "You Can Call Me Al."

Not sure if this is pertinent to your weird investigation but I thought I'd share an observation.

Al Jardine went through a brief but intense obsession with bells as an instrument between 1978 and 1979. They're all over MIU (which he produced) and Lady Linda. Then all of a sudden BOOM, Santa Ana Winds, no bells...

What was he trying to tell us? Ask not for whom the bell tolls?

That's accurate!  :lol

Simon clearly regretted his decision down the road, he could have been the Mike to Brian's Garfunkel.

Precisely, and Sal was also trying to tell us with the bells that the original Al was secretly buried behind Worthington Dodge on Bell-flower Blvd. in L.A. In its goofy commercials, Cal (!) Worthington always a wild animal by his side which he referred to as "my dog Spot", an obvious allusion to Pet Sounds.

The bells were utilized the most in 1978... 78...

7... The number of letters in Jardine.

8... The number of letters in the word REPLACED!

Say it isn't so!

Confirmed today by Brian himself.

Alan Hard-on apparently.  ;)

:lol

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9mn4pjlOd1qen0e0.gif)

Amazing! And just realized that the run-on groove of "Whistle In" has a weird scratchy voice (Kalinich?) saying "I saw Al die" backwards, chanted over some random"In My Childhood" bicycle horn outtakes.

9 letters, next in the numerical progression!

The whole replacement conspiracy was covered up by another popular surfing group at the time.

ALAN JARDINE

is an anagram for

JAN DEAN LIAR


In fact, Dean Torrence designed the album cover art for 15 Big Ones, with "Al" looking away.  

It's all starting to make sense. The pieces of the puzzle are fitting together in a way that Smile never could, the magnitude of this colossal hoax is mind-boggling and its implications positively limitless.

Y'know, there are quite a few "Paul Is Dead" forums out there that would fall for every idea in this thread and run with it.  >:D

The only thing different between this and Paul is Dead, is that not as many people are doing drugs.

Speak for yourself, MTR.

Yeah, I was gonna say, whatever you chimps are smoking, I'm waiting to inhale!  :smokin :hat

But you guys are SO stoned that the collective munchies you must be experiencing would be enough to cause a full-fledged famine in Hawthorne...

...where Al's body has been carefully concealed in one of the 105 freeway's concrete pillars.

Yeah, maybe we could license them like some have licensed other things and reap a small sum each time they are recycled or used foundationally, sort of like a patent...or something....

The chimps have taken control of the zoo!

Could Jan have been involved somehow? Maybe his car wreck was no accident...

Well, Jan had a problem with the wheel of his car a few days before the accident. Hmmmmm...

And it was at "Dead Man's Curve." 'Nuff said.

Al Jardine was conceived around early September which is when the age count is started from in some cultures. This makes him a Sagittarius. Thus we should look for clues in the Sagittarius album, especially My World Fell Down.

The bull fight part perhaps. Was Al a keen matador? He liked unusual hats. Maybe 'bull session with big daddy' is a clue. I'm sure Big Daddy was what they used to call Al. I'm sure of that.

That session from PS where BW makes Al sing " I know there's an answer" over and over is the key. He was having fake Al rehearse being the real AL! :hat

He did keep saying he couldn't do it.

Even more wierd. Until a few days ago Sal was 74. In 1974 Al would have been 32. The number 32 is seen quite visibly on their 1963 album Little Deuce Coupe. 12 years ago Al would have been 63. 63 is a number. So is 12.

This just gets wierder.

Actually, Al's birthday of September 3, 1942 means that he was most likely conceived in the range of December 5 - December 9, 1941.

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was December 7, 1941 which could have been Al's date of conception.

I would search for clues in Hawaii.

I like the way you think.

Maybe there are clues in the Do You Like Worms (ohualahula), Love to Say Dada, Little Pad, and Sumahama?

Or in the "In Blue Hawaii" reworking of Da Da on BWPS. The spoken word section contains a hidden reference to Pearl Harbor in that Hawaii was feeling very blue indeed that day. + it's a blue state, and Al is a staunch democrat. REALLY reaching now.

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Then why not just ignore the thread?  Just my opinion.

If you look at the cover of Pet Sounds, "Al" is the only one feeding a white goat.  This is a hidden message that he had died and was now an angel in heaven. 

Goats are devil creatures. Perhaps the opposite is true.

I'm sure you've read this before. Still really want to believe it's satire.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/beach_boys.htm (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Rock-n-Roll/beach_boys.htm)

I hope that's satire, but you can never truly tell in this day and age, when op-ed pieces are being written about the "sexist" lyrics of California Girls (I'm guessing those who think CA Girls is sexist have never listened to Motley Crue or Whitesnake) or the "racism" of Pet Sounds.

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That's cool. Obviously you can post in whatever thread you want. Personally I ignore threads I dont find funny or interesting though.  Why would I want to upset people by passing judgement on them?

You could send him/her a private message.

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