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Topic: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread (Read 217738 times)
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I like Kokomo. I like the Archies. Does that make me a mindless sheep? I hate mindless sheep, but I guess I'm being hypocritical.
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Quote from: Glenn Greenberg on July 31, 2006, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on July 30, 2006, 11:18:11 PM
Good records by a major band on a major label don't stall at #151, even if the company isn't promoting it much.
I'd agree with this wholeheartedly, but then I think of SUNFLOWER...
Um.
Er.
The exception that proves the rule ?
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on July 31, 2006, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Glenn Greenberg on July 31, 2006, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on July 30, 2006, 11:18:11 PM
Good records by a major band on a major label don't stall at #151, even if the company isn't promoting it much.
I'd agree with this wholeheartedly, but then I think of SUNFLOWER...
Um.
Er.
The exception that proves the rule ?
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So why the fear that other readers are somehow less able to do the same thing? Even if they haven't heard 'MIU,' say, they surely have heard enough of the other BB/BW ouevre to figure out where they agree/disagree with my analyses. And if they think that I'm usually full of crap, then they can proceed through the unknown terrain confident that my compass points south virtually all of the time. That's how I read a lot of critics. You're free to read me like that, too.
Heck, some people may read that and say..."if that album sucks THAT bad, I MUST hear it, just to see how bad it is." Then they might be pleasantly surprised.
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July 31, 2006, 04:59:09 PM »
Quote from: Rolling Stoned on July 31, 2006, 03:58:01 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on July 31, 2006, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Glenn Greenberg on July 31, 2006, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on July 30, 2006, 11:18:11 PM
Good records by a major band on a major label don't stall at #151, even if the company isn't promoting it much.
I'd agree with this wholeheartedly, but then I think of SUNFLOWER...
Um.
Er.
The exception that proves the rule ?
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So why the fear that other readers are somehow less able to do the same thing? Even if they haven't heard 'MIU,' say, they surely have heard enough of the other BB/BW ouevre to figure out where they agree/disagree with my analyses. And if they think that I'm usually full of crap, then they can proceed through the unknown terrain confident that my compass points south virtually all of the time. That's how I read a lot of critics. You're free to read me like that, too.
Heck, some people may read that and say..."if that album sucks THAT bad, I MUST hear it, just to see how bad it is." Then they might be pleasantly surprised.
Or if all they've heard before is Summer In Paradise......in which case it will sound like a work of genius .....(well, no it won't, but it will sound better than hearing it in the right order!)
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on July 31, 2006, 03:00:48 PM
Quote from: Glenn Greenberg on July 31, 2006, 08:00:05 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on July 30, 2006, 11:18:11 PM
Good records by a major band on a major label don't stall at #151, even if the company isn't promoting it much.
I'd agree with this wholeheartedly, but then I think of SUNFLOWER...
Um.
Er.
The exception that proves the rule ?
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July 31, 2006, 10:20:56 PM »
Where I was back on page 6 of the thread:
Got mine today, at least the Borders stores in NJ seem to have it. Just getting started going through it at lunch. So far it's a very good quick read, solid reportage, scrupulously sympathetic to all concerned without any whitewash or fan-based sucking up. So here's another testimonial for you. (EDIT:) Now halfway through, up to the Smile fallout. All I said still goes. NOW THE FINAL EDIT: Done. It's all good. I esp. like how the remaining psychological threads are all tied together in the final pages, the survivors' careful "dancing around" to avoid more fights, Mike's blunderbuss approach, the fights that still continue, the closing of the Smile tour and that chapter in their lives. A nice package.
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August 01, 2006, 04:25:14 PM »
My copy
finally
showed up in the mail today. I preordered the book from Amazon back in April -- after this experience, I won't be preordering anything from them again.
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Quote from: Emdeeh on August 01, 2006, 04:25:14 PM
My copy
finally
showed up in the mail today. I preordered the book from Amazon back in April -- after this experience, I won't be preordering anything from them again.
That is terrible, Emdeeh. I ordered mine from Amazon on Tuesday of last week and it arrived just a few days later -- on Friday! And this was with free shipping. It doesn't make any sense that it took so long to get your copy out.
Love and merci, Dan Lega
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August 03, 2006, 06:11:29 AM »
Quote from: Emdeeh on August 01, 2006, 04:25:14 PM
My copy
finally
showed up in the mail today. I preordered the book from Amazon back in April -- after this experience, I won't be preordering anything from them again.
Same here. I pre-ordered way back when it was first listed and only got it this Tuesday, while Borders and even Best Buy had it on the shelves for over a week.
Up to Pet Sounds era. So far, so good. Amusing anecdotes of Brian in his school days. This is a terrific read. Well done, sir.
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August 03, 2006, 07:21:46 AM »
This is good finally got it a few days ago too from Amazon who were very late. I feel he makes Brian more "real" then other books. Peter two questions, I though the Kalinich LP was only one album cut in 69. Can you fill us in on the two albums what the difference was when the second was cut etc? Also you mention Murry's weight gain in the 70s. I have never seen a picture of him past 66-7. Where did you see an older Murry?
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I preordered mine from Tower, two days ago I got an email saying it was backordered! I cancelled the order and went to my local Borders and bought it. I've just glanced through the SMile sections, and I have a bunch of questions, mainly to do with chronology, but it's well written. What came through to me was Mike's continuing anger and resentment towards Brian, whether it was not crediting Mike with song lyrics, or paying Brian monies from touring while he stayed at home (under Landy's care), or, at the end of the book, with Brian making money off of a "Beach Boys" project, Smile. That guy's got issues!
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August 03, 2006, 05:01:19 PM »
Reading about Mike's childhood may explain some of the issues. It did for me.
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August 04, 2006, 01:48:07 AM »
Just the one album, titled
A World Of Peace Must Come
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Thanks Andrew I thought that was what Kalinich told me too. I have to dig up our interview.
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Sorry if I seemed a bit terse - yesterday was not a good day.
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August 05, 2006, 01:14:11 AM »
Didn't seem terse at all, buddy!
Have you heard of any of the Kalinich material yourself? How is it?
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Peter,
On page 92 you say that the first thing Brian asked Van Dyke, before even their first night of collaboration, was to finish the unfinished lyrics for
Good Vibrations
. Specifically, was that Tony Asher's unfinished lyrics for
Good Vibrations
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 05, 2006, 01:04:22 AM
Sorry if I seemed a bit terse - yesterday was not a good day.
Since when is sharing correct info being terse? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Sorry your day wasn't good... dude.
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 05, 2006, 01:04:22 AM
Sorry if I seemed a bit terse - yesterday was not a good day.
Andrew, I've seen you sounding much terser!
P.S.: do I get any kind of award for worse grammatically-constructed sentence?
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Quote from: c-man on August 05, 2006, 08:57:57 AM
P.S.: do I get any kind of award for worse grammatically-constructed sentence?
Craig
Maybe I will for THIS sentence (i.e. "worse" instead of "worst")...
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Quote from: Oh no, It's Mr.Bill! on August 05, 2006, 01:14:11 AM
Didn't seem terse at all, buddy!
Have you heard of any of the Kalinich material yourself? How is it?
Ummmmmm...
interesting
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Quote from: Jon Stebbins on August 05, 2006, 08:50:11 AM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 05, 2006, 01:04:22 AM
Sorry if I seemed a bit terse - yesterday was not a good day.
Since when is sharing correct info being terse? Seemed pretty straight forward to me. Sorry your day wasn't good... dude.
Well, when I re-read it, it looked to me like I was sitting on my high horse and saying "Carlin - yer wrong !". Like I never made a mistake in BB history, right ?
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Hey guys: Regarding Kalinich and the album(s) he may or may not have made with Brian. The two albums worth of material reference is based on my conversations with SK himself, who was speaking (I think, based on memory, not the notes of our conversations) of stuff they did from the late '60s through the early '70s and maybe beyond. Whether they had ever titled, sequenced or even fancied the second lp's worth of stuff as an actual album isn't swimming back into my memory just now. But what I heard was very weird and cool and, no disrespect to SK's poetry intended, but, if you just pulled out Brian's music and played that by itself....well, it was pretty abstract and strange and yet also Brian-esque and kind of mind-boggling. In my memory.
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Quote from: Peter Ames Carlin on August 05, 2006, 05:28:35 PM
if you just pulled out Brian's music and played that by itself....well, it was pretty abstract and strange and yet also Brian-esque and kind of mind-boggling. In my memory.
Similar at all in quality to, say, "My Solution" or the "Fairytale" stuff?
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August 05, 2006, 10:02:16 PM »
Thanks Peter for the responce. I know I mentioned this earlier but I am real curious about what Murry looked like in the 70s. Did you see any pictures to base your description of him in his final years?
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