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176  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 22, 2019, 10:44:00 AM
Do It Again, Surfin USA, California Girls, Its OK, etc... are all really fun songs. I'm sure Mike has fond memories of recording them, enjoys playing them live, and seems to have a fun time re-recording them (see my above post for a quote)

I don't know why everyone gets all upset about Mike doing these re-records... Sure, nothing will compare to the original, but I see them as pretty harmless. It's not like we've heard the UTL versions of Help Me Rhonda or Fun Fun Fun in the media, as opposed to the original recordings. Sure, ticket buyers of The Beach Boys concerts can buy the CDs, and often get them included with the purchase of their tickets, but we might be over analyzing the effect of an album like UTL, for example.

When I was at a BBs show in August 2018, there was a huge ad for UTL on the screen, showing the album cover and track listing (as well as the RPO album too). I heard lots of people taking notice, but not getting confused weather it was Mike or a BBs album. People were saying "Do you think he's going to play his new stuff?" or even laughing about the album cover. They weren't going "Oh my gosh! A new Beach Boys album!!" People aren't dumb. I really don't think Mike is trying to con people into buying his album, and make them think it's a BBs product. I don't think he's trying to blur the lines, as some suggest. Even having the famous Dean Torrence BBs logo on the album cover originally, was probably just to make people aware of who Mike is, at a glance. Not too much different from BW using the iconic Pet Sounds fonts and styling for his shows. (Yes, I know the logo is trademarked, and there was some legality issues I assume, and that's why it was removed)  If people buy UTL and get a kick out of it (like I did), then why should anyone be upset? I think anyone who's going out of their way to spend over $15 on a CD or seek out Mike's digital catalog, is a fan and knows what they're in for. Keep in mind Brian is compensated for the songs he co-wrote being sold or streamed.
177  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 22, 2019, 12:34:18 AM
guitarfool2002,

I think Mike does the re-records simply because he enjoys doing so. Here's Mike on recording Do It Again in 2017 - ""The whole song's about getting together with old friends and sharing good times and talking about the old times... That fact that here we are decades later, recreating it with old friends, having a great time -- it doesn't get much more organic and perfect and fantastic than that."

He clearly just has fun doing it. Seems like Brian enjoys playing rock n' roll music right now, that's why I'm totally happy to hear him saying he's making a rock n' roll album. Originals or covers? I don't really care.

I'm just happy and thankful for any new material we get from these guys while we still can.
178  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 20, 2019, 11:31:43 AM
Very true. I suppose I was simply playing devil's advocate, and challenging the status quo belief of the end of C50... food for thought.

Thinking about those huge concert offers makes me sad. How cool would it have been to see the guys up there?? Well, there's still time....

Do you guys think Al's hinting at a reunion or something of the sorts a few months ago at one of his storyteller shows was simply something Al said, hinting at something else, that we've just over analyzed? Or can we assume there might be truth to his sentiment, considering Al's tendencies?
179  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 20, 2019, 11:27:47 AM
Some updates on Mike's upcoming album (hopefully I'm not the only one who cares  LOL)

Looks like it'll be called 12 Sides of Summer, and feature probably feature It's OK w/ Hanson, from last summer, as well as another re-record, On and On And On. My guess is that it'll be just a collection of some upbeat summer songs. I'm certain there will be BBs re-records. I really liked Mike's songwriting work with Sam Hollander on RFTS, so I'm really hoping we can some new Mike originals on this one! Even more so, I'm hoping we get the Big Sur 4/4 that was teased in 2016! That version sounded great!!

I was reading a thread about this upcoming album on the Endless Harmony board, and people were discussing the inevitability that there will probably be BBs re-records on here. It was mentioned that it wouldn't be so much a problem, if he perhaps tried out some of the deeper cuts he co-wrote like All I Wanna Do, Aren't You Glad, Let The Wind Blow... I mean, if he's gonna re-record either way, maybe give those ones a shot. With the right production, they might sound pretty cool.  Although, some, if not most people, probably don't want any re-records at all. Which I understand to some degree; the idea of the artist just repeating themselves. But considering the fact that someday it'll be impossible for there to be a new BBs related album, I'll be thrilled, and at the least thankful, for whatever new music any of the guys come out with.

180  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 20, 2019, 11:09:08 AM
With the rumors of another reunion around the corner, and having had a few years to reflect on 2012 and the following years, I've recently been thinking that there had to have been more going on behind the scenes regarding the demise of C50, and the future of the touring band, than we're aware of.

C50 was obviously going well, from an outsider's perspective, when it was announced the band would again part ways. The tour was making money. Audiences were thrilled. It really seemed like The Beach Boys were back! And then boom, we're back to the M&B vs BW touring operations, seemingly overnight. Many people, including Brian, Al, and lots of us assumed it was simply because Mike prefers that way of touring over the reunion. Weather its due to financial compensation, creative control, spotlight, etc... to many of us, it became perfectly clear that Mike must just prefer to tour on his own, as opposed to with the former core members. The way he described C50 in his book kinda makes it seem that way. Or when he responds to questions about the demise of C50 by saying "Brian has his thing, I have mine". But what if that's not the case?

I have recently wondered that the reason C50 ended was the suits (BRI maybe?) predicted that  once the thrill of the reunion died, maybe the overall excitement would too. They obviously couldn't keep marketing their tour as the 50th reunion band, and eventually just The Beach Boys. Once it was a given that the core members would be onstage, no longer something that felt finite, maybe management and/or the group was worried  they wouldn't continue to sell out these big places, and to prevent embarrassment, made the call that only Mike and Bruce would continue touring as The Beach Boys until the 60th reunion, where there would again be excitement to see the core members together again. Now, it might be shocking to think that BRI would plan on there being a 60th reunion, but not really, considering neither Mike nor Brian (Al, Bruce, Dave, Blondie, etc) have expressed a desire to retire.

Maybe I'm entering conspiracy territory here, but it seems plausible to me.

I've also been thinking that a The Beach Boys reunion would probably be the best thing for Brian's touring career right now. So much pressure would be taken off of him with Mike being a frontman, not to mention having Al, Bruce, and Dave. He could play piano, sing as much as he wants, or just listen to the music. But the difference is he wouldn't be center stage at a "Brian Wilson" concert, where people are there to see him. He'd once again be a member of a band, able to comfortably be a team player again. Leave the front man shtick to Mike who has that sh*t refined to a tee, or even Al, who has proven himself to be quite the capable frontman in his recent years touring with Brian.

Thoughts?
181  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: May 16, 2019, 11:29:43 AM
MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm,

That's a really cool observation I never made. Stylistically it was pretty obvious that the first set was more upbeat hits and second set more artistic stuff, but The Beach Boys had so much overlap of artistic songs and hit songs, that the lines are hard to see. Anyway, I think the observation of each half catering to one party (Mike and Brian) makes a lot of sense, in a not to piss anyone off way, or a to keep everyone happy way if you're an optimist. Clearly, if that was the case and purpose, it didn't work, with the tour ending with lots of feelings of dissatisfaction.

Although, we might be getting into the "Mike is the car guy VS Brian is the Pet Sounds guy" territory, due to the fact that its becoming increasingly obvious that Brian prefers to play the hits over the deeper material too. After all, like Hey Jude has said, they are his songs! They were great hit songs that he wrote that were totally unique, and quite frankly changed Rock as a whole. It's easy to look at the car songs as simple, but those songs are pretty advanced- specifically Deuce Coupe and I Get Around, harmonically speaking. To put the V-ii change in a rock n roll song was amazing (Little Deuce Coupe) and I Get Around has very clever modulations and borrows chords from other keys by playing with what we anticipate to be major or minor... Didn't mean to get so off topic, but I feel like the car songs are something for Brian to be extremely proud of, and they're certainly crowd pleasers. 
182  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: May 14, 2019, 06:48:10 PM
baseball95,
I definitely understand where you're coming from. In fact, before I read your comment I was preparing to post that I wish Dance, Dance, Dance would be swapped out for something else.

I completely understand Brian playing I Get Around. His first number one, and more than that, Brian flexing his songwriting/production muscles at a time when The Beatles had just "invaded". At a time when most American acts were cowering to or copying The Beatles, Brian was doing his own thing, and totally progressing. I'd almost be shocked to see a BW show without I Get Around.

As for Deuce Coupe and Shut Down, they can feel really inconsequential and like filler in the greater context of BW's career. I'm not the first person to say this, so I can't take credit for the idea, but the way I see it, is Brian must like playing Rock N Roll, feel like a teenager again, which was something he didn't get to do a lot of during his career with The BBs. He quit touring so early on, and of course had struggles with touring in the 70's and 80's. His solo career has been his first chance, when you think about it, for him to play his songs, comfortably, under his own conditions. Playing those car songs sure looked like fun in the 60's and Bri probably includes them in there cause he gets a kick out of playing them. Either that, or he and his team have deemed them necessary crowd pleasers, which is a nice pivot to Dance, Dance, Dance.

I dig Dance, Dance, Dance. It has a great bassline and it's a totally fun song. But given the potential tight setlist we'll be getting with the double booking, I would like to see Dance, Dance, Dance swapped out with something else. That doesn't mean it needs to be replaced with a deep cut or anything heavy, but maybe just rotate it with some other rockers. Just to keep things fresh. Even Mike has switched songs like It's OK, Farmer's Daughter, Still Cruisin, Good To My Baby, etc around during his equivalent "getting the crowd warmed up with the fun songs" part of the show. Some songs I'd be happy to hear instead, that could still work in that context are Hawaii, Be True, Surf City, Catch A Wave... you get the point, other classic crowd pleasers to warm the audience up, I'm growing a little tired of DDD. Although, if BW personally really likes playing it I'm fine with it staying.

It's funny how Mike still gets criticized for being the traveling jukebox when his and Brian's setlists are getting increasingly similar, with Mike's actually having a little more variety. I understand the accusation in 1999, when Mike was playing "Duke of Earl" while Brian was playing "The Night Was So Young". Things have clearly changed since then. We now have BW shows with only one solo BW song and BBs shows with 3 or 4 ML solo songs, who woulda thunk LOL? Personally, I'm fine with Mike sprinkling in multiple solo songs, and I'd be fine with BW doing the same.
183  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 77, 78... when do you think they should retire? on: May 08, 2019, 09:05:14 PM
Right, a Mike-less Beach Boys couldn't be led by just Bruce... but throw Al and/or David in there, and that's a credible "Beach Boys" touring band, all things considered.

Yes, I know my 2020 reunion ideas are wishful thinking, and it would've been great if C50 was more like what I fantasize 2020 to be.

Let's say the 2020 reunion doesn't happen...

I see Brian touring for another 2-3 years tops, going out with a farewell tour.

Mike will keep going until he's physically unable to. And that's a fact.    (...Imagine the hypocrisy if it got to the point where Mike was performing with oxygen, given how things ended with Carl...)

Bruce's touring will end with Mike's, unless Al or David steer the ship.

I definitely see Al continuing if it's his storyteller shows, Endless Summer band, or w/ Dean Torrence & David and the Surf City Allstars... Doesn't feel like Al will be slowing down anytime soon, god willing.

Once Brian is done touring, I assume Blondie will retire from BBs related endeavors, unless he was brought on as an official BB, in a post-Mike "Beach Boys" band.... but that's a one in a gazillion chance! LOL

It's inevitable these guys will retire, let's enjoy every concert we can, from both Brian and Mike (as well as others), while they're still here.
184  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 77, 78... when do you think they should retire? on: May 08, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
Retirement is hard to picture for both Brian and Mike.

I remember a few years ago, Brian expressed that he either tours or "quits the business" in this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn9nLxUAAmI

The idea of Brian retiring seems to be a more and more real idea, with his declining involvement onstage. As I've said in other threads, if Brian becomes just "band leader" or just plays piano, that's cool with me. He can take as many or as few leads as he wants. But due to his physical condition and increasing apparent immobility, I can't imagine he'll be touring much longer. I'll be very thankful to see him this fall on the '68 themed tour.

Mike seems to still be going strong. His voice has declined a little, but he can certainly still carry a tune. He doesn't stroll around the stage, from side to side anymore. It's kinda turned into a shuffle in place. Bruce seems to still have an incredible amount of energy for someone his age. I mean the dude's like the fricken energizer bunny on stage! Smiling and clapping non stop for two hours. Unless his health worsens, I think Bruce will stick it out with Mike until he has to retire. Like other have said, it's unlikely Mike will ever voluntarily stop touring, until he's physically unable to.

A 2020 reunion tour would be a legendary way to go out. Get the guys all together one more time. Sure, drama might ensue, but if everyone knew this was "the last time", I'm sure they'd be on their best behavior. The core members could certainly divvy out leads, as done on C50, but perhaps with even more accommodation for their older voices. I'd also love for some BBs veterans who played with them back in the day to be involved... Billy Hinshe, Dean Torrence and Ed Carter, are some examples of some of those great musicians who are still active. Let it be a celebration of the last 60 years.  Even throw in solo cuts to show each members talents... Al with Don't Fight The Sea, Bruce with Summer Means Fun or Don't Run Away, Mike with Unleash The Love or Cool Head , and sprinkle in some of Brian's greatest solo works. Close the show with the guys around the piano singing Love & Mercy, and I'd lose it. Brian could sit at the piano. Mike could take a break (like he does now during Disney Girls) or multiple if he needs to. It would even be really cool to see the core members do a number alone, no back up band accompaniment. It's definitely possible.
  
Mike - Vocals
Brian - Keys or Bass, Vocals (?)
Al - Guitar, Vocals
Bruce - Keys or Bass, Vocals
David- Guitar, Vocals
Blondie- Guitar, Vocals
Ricky- Drums

...That's assuming Ricky and Blondie would be involved....


But who even knows if another reunion will happen. During the NPP era, given the title "The Last Song" and the Love & Mercy movie, it sort of felt like we were experiencing Brian's farewell, but he kept on chugging. Mike has only continued to refine his touring version of the band. It doesn't look like things are slowing down for Brian or Mike. Say what you will about them, or their bands, but they're obviously hard working guys.

As for what happens after the core members have passed, I hope a "Beach Boys" band, endorsed by BRI will exist. Hopefully under the direction of Scott Totten or Paul Von Mertens, who have great attention to detail, and wouldn't let things get sloppy. I'd happily see Mike or Brian's band, without the core members, if they were promoted properly. "Tribute To The Beach Boys" or "Beach Boys Band" or at least something to make a distinction... I'd be very upset to see a band called "The Beach Boys" touring after all of THE BEACH BOYS pass away.
185  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian live webcast tonite on: May 06, 2019, 12:18:20 PM
I wouldn't be at all upset with BW just playing piano, or even just sitting and "overseeing" the music, as someone else put it... Hell, I'd even love to see him play his Fender Bass again during the encore, he wouldn't have to stand or sing. Everyone going to see a BW show at this point, I think is aware of his story and struggles. Brian's band has so many great singers that surely the songs would be in good hands. Al and Matt sound great on the early rockers. Gary Griffin sang a lot of BBs leads when he played with Jan & Dean. The only song that would feel a little strange, if the lead was sung by someone else, would be Love & Mercy.

I've also noticed that as the years go on, especially post-C50, Brian likes to be heard on the piano. Why not just let him comp on the piano, and leave the heavy lifting to the band? That sounds like the best course of action going into the future, in my opinion. And if Brian really strongly does want to sing, it's definitely time to adjust the keys and tempos to accommodate for Brian's current voice. A bunch of songs were played in adjusted keys when BW started touring. Darlin, Be My Baby,etc... It could be done again. Musicians of that caliber probably wouldn't even have to stress and could probably make any changes easily.
186  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: May 06, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
Does anyone have pics/video/audio from the recent Oklahoma show in which Dean Torrence played with Mike? I saw on setlist fm that Surf City and Little Old Lady were inserted after Rhonda and before Barbara Ann, which makes for a great little J&D section. Technically, J&D sang Barbara Ann before The Beach Boys did! Normally, Dean sings the falsetto part (as a dual lead with Chris Farmer or Matt Jardine) on Barbara Ann with his group, would be cool if he doubled up with Ike.
187  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian live webcast tonite on: May 05, 2019, 09:50:00 AM
I was able to download it. Inbox me if you want me to send it to you.

Did anyone else notice the extreme lack of close-ups of Brian? Even on songs where he was singing lead, they would have a close up of literally every band member but him. I watched the whole concert twice and only saw a couple close-ups (still pretty far away) of Brian, but totally tight shots of Al, Matt (nice to see him back, although I also did like Rob), and everyone else. Kinda strange. Was this at the insistence of the producers because of Brian's, how should I put this, sometimes somber appearance? Did someone deem that he was having an "off" night or something?

I love Brian, but oh man, his vocals were all over the place. That doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the show. I thoroughly did, and I'll probably watch it again a million times. The band is ON FIRE here!! Matt absolutely shines on Let Him Run Wild. Al, of all places, totally rocked on Shut Down, Darian sounded great on Darlin, I love Nicky Wonder's Fender Bass on Dance Dance Dance.

This show overwhelmed me with bitter-sweetness, something I've felt every time I've seen Brian in person, but nothing has ever compared to the feeling I got from watching this video. The band is amazing. The music is amazing. Happy crowd. That was all great, but to hear Brian's voice cracking on every line of God Only Knows just hurts. Surely, like someone has already mentioned, many of these songs keys (and maybe tempos) should be adjusted for Bri. I know Brian has never really been comfortable on stage, like someone like Mike Love, but I haven't seen him *this uncomfortable* since 1981 or immediate-post Landy years. In shots where he can be seen, He looks genuinely tense and unhappy. I know there's not much he can do if he already committed to doing a show and is having an ""off" night. He doesn't want to retire, so this is his job. I just wish accommodations could be made, musical or otherwise, to ensure that Brian is having a nice time. I know he as a nice chair he loves backstage, why not bring it out to the piano ??  LOL LOL I know that sounds goofy, but Dave Grohl had a fricken guitar throne!!! If it made Bri comfortable, then great! Anything like that to make him happier. He certainly didn't look happy last night.

I Don't mean to be too much of a downer. I loved the show. I'm thankful that Brian is still performing.
188  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: \ on: April 27, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
The whole thing regarding the post-98 touring band(s) has been an absolute mess... I suppose I am typically what'd be referred to as a "Mike apologist" or whatever, but I will never defend the way he treated Al & co. during this era. I can defend a lot of what Love has done, but this situation was pretty much just him being a prick, screwing over Al, to keep his touring machine maximizing profits. I wasn't going to BBs concerts in the late 90's, but I'm nearly certain that Al's touring outfit held no real threat to Mike's. Similarly to how Brian's band can tour the country for the last 20 years, without affecting Mike's business (as he's obviously still able to do hundreds of dates a year) I just can't imagine a world where people would go to see the Fam & Friends band, with two women on stage, and thought "Oh yeah, I'm seeing The Beach Boys" it's just such a ridiculous angle. As we talked about recently in another thread, Jan & Dean were able to tour playing mostly BBs songs from 78-81 and 83-2004 no problem. Dean still has a ratio of roughly 25 BBs tunes to 5-7 J&D tunes... Mike never took them to court.

I can completely understand and justify a just Mike and backing band Beach Boys. Mike, in many respects, is the embodiment of The BBs onstage (being the only live member who never quit the group). I DO have a problem though, with Mike limiting or telling the other guys what they can or can't do. If Mike wants to tour extensively as "The Beach Boys", awesome, I'll see him everytime he comes to town. No problem. But when he starts telling Al who he can play with or what songs he can play, it's totally ludicrous (yes, I know it wasn't JUST Mike, there were lawyers and business men involved, but the whole issue wouldn't have arisen without Mike)

I'm not gonna lie though, hearing about the extent Mike went to, to basically sabotage Al leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. At the end of the day, I really just feel bad for Al. He worked his ass in the band just like Mike did, and all of a sudden couldn't even play his own songs anymore. I'm happy he eventually worked out his Endless Summer band, Surf City Allstars (with Dean Torrence and David Marks), joined BW after C50, and now has his storyteller show. Despite Mike's apparent attempts at being the only touring BBs outfit, Al has made a pretty nice little solo career for himself. And now with the Fam & Friends band reuniting, does this mean another sh*t show from Mike? The name being "Al Jardine Family & Friends Beach Party" is a very clever, and clear avoidance of the former "Beach Boys" association. The "Beach Party" thing makes me chuckle, Dean Torrence has his "Jan & Dean Beach Party" which I saw over the summer (INCREDIBLE show btw, just as good as Mike or Brian's in my opinion) which is just a fancy billing for the aforementioned Surf City Allstars. Why all these amazing musicians have to attatch "Beach Party" to their name is just kinda funny at this point. I understand it in the 90's full house cheerleader era. But I feel like many people who are going out to see BBs related shows actually appreciate the musical complexity and could care less about a "Beach Party" (You could say, people who go to Mike or Dean Torrence are looking for a "Beach Party", but God Only Knows and Wouldn't It Be Nice always get better receptions than 409 , for example, at the shows I've been to)

The Beach Boys politics is just so confusing, maybe now just as much as ever. C50 ended so awkwardly, with there being literal sides taken (Mike&Bruce vs Brian&Al), the weird Town Hall with Mike's shirts,  and now you've got Al's solo shows + Fam & Friends show coming up (Mike possibly upset?), doc about BW (didn't someone on here say Mike's trying to get one made too?), AND rumors of a reunion (Which I'm probably getting too excited for).   Things are certainly gonna be interesting.
189  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: \ on: April 26, 2019, 07:24:43 AM
And to add to the diversity, David Marks is Jewish...
190  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alt. Smile Box Extended & New Link on: April 26, 2019, 07:23:03 AM
Really cool stuff! Thank you! Looking forward to checking it all out
191  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: \ on: April 24, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
Cool way to look at it. I never looked at it from that perspective, but you're very right. I often ask people to describe The Beach Boys, and get the whole 50's white suburban thing, followed by a shocked look after I show them a 72-73 era picture of the group.
192  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Misheard Vocals on: April 22, 2019, 08:57:25 AM
Here Today - "Well I'm not saying you aren't the king of the world"  LOL
193  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: April 14, 2019, 09:19:40 AM
I was talking to my friend about the Bruce playing vs miming thing, and he pointed out something that's fairly obvious, that many of us (including myself) overlook. We're constantly searching for clips that prove Bruce is audible or inaudible, to prove an argument, that he other does always play or doesn't. My friend pointed out, he might just play sometimes when he feels like it, or has a designated part from Scott, but he might turn the volume down if he's focusing on singing or can't remember the changes for the particular section of a song or something. For years I've been one of the people possibly perpetuating the idea that Bruce is using a prop, but it's not out of malice. I'm just genuinely confused (and kinda bummed) why such a phenomenal keyboardist doesn't show his props. I think it would be pretty cool if the group did Disney Girls, in an even more stripped-down fashion, with Bruce playing a "lead" piano, with all the flourishes he did here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63NBh0NqaLY) instead of just the little noodling on the DX7 patch. I understand Brian and Al coasting instrumentally: their talents were more in the singing and writing/producing respectfully. I honestly equate Bruce playing his quiet "rhythm" DX7 piano to if Paul McCartney coasted by strumming a nearly silent guitar, instead of playing his famous bass lines. I'm not trying to knock Bruce. I also am not trying to knock what he does in the band. "Rhythm" piano and other accompaniment instruments are very important, sometimes I just wish those parts would be delegated to Tim B for a song or two for Bruce to really show off. But I also understand if Bruce wants to focus on singing. Singing BBs harmonies is HARD.
194  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: April 13, 2019, 07:36:15 PM
I've definitely noticed the sliding part in Hawaii, mostly in the early 2000's and then again since around 2017/18... He's obviously playing the DX7 patch In Disney Girls, as well as Don't Worry Baby I think. I can't say I've ever noticed the 12 string patch, where can that be heard?

I also agree with the comparison to Al and Brian. I don't have a vendetta to prove against Bruce (which I'll admit some people seem to have), but I do agree that his playing seems rhythmically questionable and sometimes idiosyncratic compared to what the group is playing, but then again, I have no evidence to support that the keyboard is simply a prop- in fact, evidence to support the contrary.  I wouldn't be surprised if the keys were just a prop though. That's the setup BW had at first with his tours. Even Dean Torrence strums his usually unplugged guitar on stage. Singers sometimes need an instrument to feel comfortable, that's nothing new. But because of Bruce's significance as a keyboardist (compared to say Dean Torrence's as a guitarist) I kinda doubt that he'd just stand there pounding inaudible keys every night.

Between quotes from Howie Edelson and Scott Totten, I'm fairly confident Bruce is somewhere , probably usually low, in the mix like Brian and Al. In fact, I wasn't even totally convinced Al could hold his own on guitar (just because of how often he stops playing/being low in the mix) but his storyteller shows proved me wrong, which I was thrilled to see. He can totally play all the rhythm and lead parts with authority. Bruce has proven himself to be a talent on the keys, but I do agree that his hands are all over the keys (in odd places sometimes), that I find myself questioning as a musician. Or take a look at this clip...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh9hhn2C-7g  Bruce is definitely pounding the keys at moments where no melodic/harmonic instruments are audible. You can clearly see him playing the keyboard, but can only hear vocals and drums. That's not to say he isn't buried, or since it is a sound check, the engineer could've simply turned Bruce down to hear the vocals, drums, etc... Interesting nonetheless.
195  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why does spotify keep screwing with the Beach Boys material? on: April 10, 2019, 09:13:44 AM
Sorry to hear this is happening... I haven't had any problems with Apple Music, other than Spirit Of America vanishing a few months ago.
196  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Seems to be what Al was hinting at was a BBs family & friends reunion... on: April 09, 2019, 06:16:47 PM
while C60 may not be likely, it seems nothing is ever impossible in the world of the BBs...   And, hey, a guy can dream!

And even if 2020 is a year of Brian/Al/Blondie shows, Mike/Bruce shows, and Al shows (storytelling or full band) I'll be a happy camper.


I'm totally excited to see Al's Fam&Friends group back together, hopefully it becomes a semi-regular or regular thing!

197  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence joining Mike's band? on: April 09, 2019, 02:04:57 PM
OSD,

Chill man LOL LOL

Many of us are excited for the shows!
198  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Seems to be what Al was hinting at was a BBs family & friends reunion... on: April 09, 2019, 02:02:59 PM
Oh man, didn't even check !!!!


Maybe I can still keep my fingers crossed for a BBs reunion! Grin
199  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Seems to be what Al was hinting at was a BBs family & friends reunion... on: April 09, 2019, 01:06:32 PM
Al just announced a Fam&Friends show in Vegas for 2020.... Sounds like that is what he was hinting at earlier this year.

1) I'm super excited for this! I wish I could attend the Vegas show. Maybe if it goes over well, they could tour again! (hopefully with no lawsuits this time)... Looks like they're wise enough to go out as "Al Jardine Family & Friends Beach Party" ... Anyway, I'm sure they will sound incredible, hopefully as close Al's original lineup as possible !!!

2) As excited I am about the Family&Friends reunion, I'm a little bummed that it turned out not to be a BBs one... Not that I was truly 100% expecting what Al was hinting at was a C60 reunion, but the fanboy in me had my hopes up. Seeing the original guys on stage one last would be a miracle.
200  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence joining Mike's band? on: April 07, 2019, 03:35:34 PM
Thanks for the update. I hope some videos of the event show up online!
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