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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2006, 11:03:37 AM »

I cannot fathom a universe where The Rutles AND Spinal Tap are being poo-pooed as not being funny. This absolutely astonishes me. I have to weigh in at great length lest these opinions be the only ones standing.

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Except I like lame puns. But I guess I have to acknowledge that they're lame.

No, you don't. I hate the notion, and will never, ever accept it, that there are "higher" and "lower" forms of comedy, and that to have an, ahem, "refined" sense of humor you have to only laugh at the "higher" forms of comedy and have to turn your nose up at the "lower" forms i.e. slapstick, punning, etc. "Shabby Road" -- maybe a bad pun, but "Let It Rot," released simultaneously as an album, a movie, and a lawsuit? That's funny. On several levels. Some of the puns are stupid -- "Tragical History Tour" is pretty lame, granted -- but some are dead on, i.e. the song / movie / idea behind "Ouch." The pun portion of the affair hits and it misses.

I disagree heartily that the humor in the movie could be somehow "more satirical" or "appeal more to Beatles fans" -- there are an insane amount of dead-on moments of parody and/or satire, and I'd argue it goes maybe a little TOO deep for some cursory Beatle fans. Examples: Like or hate Yoko, and I love her deeply, the depiction of nazi-uniform-clad Chastity, obsessed with dropping art from airplanes, is right on. The character of Leggy Mountbatten, while not really anything remotely like Brian Epstein, satirizes him on several levels -- the obsession with trousers, the sad, tragic move to Australia which causes Nasty to be shocked and stunned, the failed attempts at other groups (including Arthur Hodgson and the Kneecaps). Leggy's mom -- best moment in the film, the pinched, severe performance given there. ALL the music is tremendous, and Neil Innes does a masterful job re-writing the Beatles songs, with a few of them -- "Doubleback Alley" particularly -- almost standing alone as songs. And the entire last section where the group are suing each other, one of them pretends to be dead for a tax dodge, and Ron Decline comes in to take over the group's finance hits at the heart of the demise of the group. Its dead on.

Oh yeah -- the scene where Dirk McQuickly is attempting to write a song for his wife, played by Bianca Jagger -- slays. Totally unfairly but hysterically nails Paul as a ditty-writer. "I love...I love you....It's YOU I love...today is our wedding day...."

Add in Eric Idle's hysterical narrator character -- and I'm not going to subscribe to the "Eric Idle Has Proven Himself To Be An Ass Therefore We Must Hate Everything He's Ever Done" thing, either, he's absolutely a riot when he's explaining how the various Rutles met -- and some righteously deadpan performances from Halsey and Fataar, not to mention some great cameos from Ron Wood, Mick Jagger (whose interview segment is also very enthusiastic and funny), and you've got a movie chock full not only of great parody but just some killer comedy moments. I myself laughed until I puked on a recent viewing, and that's after having seen it 100+ times.

And I shouldn't even need to mention the amazing visit to New Orleans -- "Where did Rutle music originate?" "Next door. At the Ruttling Orange Peel." Who of course is lying. He's always lying. Last week, he said he started the Everly Brothers.

God, the great lines are too many to count:

"They persuaded him to change his name, to save time, and his haircut, to save brylcream. He became simply....Barry Wom."
"I'd like to be a hairdresser. Or two. I'd like to be two hairdressers."
"Come with me inside, or as they say in Hamburg...'mit mir gekommen....inside.'"
"His left hand didn't know who his right hand was doing."
"The press, as usual, grabbed the wrong end of the stick and proceeded to beat about the bush with it."
"I think it was the trousers. Well, they were so....tight..."
"Even as the quiet one, Stig O'Hara hadn't spoken a word since 1965."
"Their first album took two hours to make. Their second took even longer."

And the best bit: Barry Wom's haunting balled "When You Find The Girl Of Your Dreams In The Arms Of Some Scotsmen From Hull."

I could keep going. The thing isn't anything like a masterpiece, but is one of the funniest rock movies I've ever seen, certainly, and DEFINITELY holds up to repeated viewings. There are so many hysterical bits and insanely right-on moments of satire, and some just plain funny writing and directing. Comedy gold.
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« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2006, 11:13:41 AM »

I cannot fathom a universe where The Rutles AND Spinal Tap are being poo-pooed as not being funny. This absolutely astonishes me. I have to weigh in at great length lest these opinions be the only ones standing.

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Except I like lame puns. But I guess I have to acknowledge that they're lame.

No, you don't. I hate the notion, and will never, ever accept it, that there are "higher" and "lower" forms of comedy, and that to have an, ahem, "refined" sense of humor you have to only laugh at the "higher" forms of comedy and have to turn your nose up at the "lower" forms i.e. slapstick, punning, etc.
This wasn't what I meant. I have no trouble with "low" comedy. In fact, "low" comedy is often my favourite. The point was quite the opposite, I laugh my arse off of puns I personally think are bad, and I am fully aware of it. (And to bring up Shabby Road, I even think that's funny. But lame.)  Neither do I think The Rutles is particularly "low" - using those terms - it's filled with references and allusions making it more "refined" and "elevated" than a lot of other comedy.
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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2006, 11:23:36 AM »

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No, you don't. I hate the notion, and will never, ever accept it, that there are "higher" and "lower" forms of comedy, and that to have an, ahem, "refined" sense of humor you have to only laugh at the "higher" forms of comedy and have to turn your nose up at the "lower" forms i.e. slapstick, punning, etc. "Shabby Road" -- maybe a bad pun, but "Let It Rot," released simultaneously as an album, a movie, and a lawsuit? That's funny. On several levels. Some of the puns are stupid -- "Tragical History Tour" is pretty lame, granted -- but some are dead on, i.e. the song / movie / idea behind "Ouch." The pun portion of the affair hits and it misses.

That's what I said, though.  Some of the stuff is dead on, especially "Let it Rot," but some really don't have much to do with what they're making fun of: i.e., "Tragical History Tour," which you admit isn't that good.

I don't care about high and low comedy either, but sometimes stuff sucks and sometimes it doesn't.  And sometimes comedy sucks when certain tricks are overused.

I like pretty much every part of The Rutles that you pointed out, but I still think a lot of it isn't that funny.  There are good ideas spread throughout, as I said before.  Maybe it's more the execution that I don't like.  I did mention that the pacing and organization of the film bothered me.  One example is the Hamburg scene that you mentioned.  Most of that is so slow and tedious, especially the "Cellar of rats...seller of rats" bit.

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« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2006, 12:16:16 PM »

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but some really don't have much to do with what they're making fun of: i.e., "Tragical History Tour," which you admit isn't that good.

The National Lampoon nailed that one better with their "Magical Misery Tour" ballad of John and Yoko

I do agree with Old Rake about the high laugh quotient of The Rutles...but there's something fatally unfocused and resolved in the satire overall, I find. As in whether or not the concept is really a satirical one in the first place or closer to whimsical homage. I applaud the disrespect and mockery bordering on out and out contempt for the Fabs and their fan-driven-mythology and p.r. machinery which sometimes characterizes their approach. It reminds me of the long running series of gags, fake Melody Maker articles, cartoons that appeared in the old Brit satircal magazine Private Eye back in the sixties about superduper group "The Turds" an incredibly cruel, funny amalgam of the stupidest traits of both Beatles and Stones.

Rutles projects sometimes jab and roast this way, but more often pull their punches. Maybe they sensed that George (not to mention Beatles fans) would get angry if they went too far?

I dunno, but I'm not quite satisfied. BUT I love some of the music (as well many of the jokes, performances etc.). I Must Be in Love is perfect as a satire of Merseybeat at its most simpleminded AND as an example of great, mindless Merseybeat, as good as  Dave Clark 5. better than anything by Freddie and the Dreamers (both units actually closer to what's being poked fun at than the Beatles: I don't think the Fabs ever composed or performed anything this dopey, much too smart and cool for that from the start)

   
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« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2006, 01:08:19 PM »

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I like pretty much every part of The Rutles that you pointed out, but I still think a lot of it isn't that funny

I *almost* pointed out the whole movie!
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« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2006, 02:01:34 PM »

The Powerpuff Girls episode with the Beatles references throughout was about a thousand times smarter and funny. In only a half hour.
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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2006, 02:08:57 PM »

15 minutes.

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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2006, 02:09:32 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2006, 02:59:42 PM »

Oooh! I want to see that, I love the Powerpuff Girls, but I haven't seen that one.
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2006, 03:07:07 PM »

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005MEP9/102-1293623-9627313?v=glance

It's worth the purchase. I watch it a lot, cracks me up.
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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2006, 03:07:28 PM »

I liked The Rutles once when I was a hardcore Beatles fan. They made me laugh. Now, they leave me cold. I don't enjoy them anymore. Spinal Tap is WAY better.
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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2006, 03:10:35 PM »

I'm a Fabulous Stains man.

http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/28/fabulousstains.html
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« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2006, 03:13:47 PM »

Thanks, Ian! I spy a dvd edition there too. I might buy that. Or I might just hope for the best when I watch Cartoon Network, the Girls are on there all the time.
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2006, 06:59:42 PM »

rutles vs. spinal tap...apples vs.oranges
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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2006, 07:59:56 PM »

Yeah, Ive got a tape of that Beat Alls episode. It's freaking great.
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