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Jason:
Dylan did barely half of what Brian did to himself? I don't know about THAT. I'd say it was a much smaller margin of difference.
Runaways:
Quote from: hypehat on July 14, 2010, 03:01:37 PM
Bob Dylan to thread!
But yes, Brian's voice is rather incredible considering the sheer hell he's subjected it to over the past 40 yearss - Dylan did barely half of what Brian did to himself and he can barely spit out the words nowadays.
truth, but mr. dylan never had the voice brian did. I look at paul mccartney, and his voice is going, but you can still hear 1960's paul. same with dylan really. Brian's voice is a whole new voice almost.
hypehat:
Quote from: The Real Beach Boy on July 14, 2010, 03:14:14 PM
Dylan did barely half of what Brian did to himself? I don't know about THAT. I'd say it was a much smaller margin of difference.
I thought Dylan was just your usual cocktail of 60's drugs with coke in the 70's and 80's and smoking like a bleeding chimney all the while, coupled with the incessant touring. He was never as far gone as BW, i meant.
Wirestone:
The difference is simple. Dylan tours more than 100 dates a year and smokes like a chimney. Same thing with Joni (well, minus the incessant touring).
Every time Brian stopped smoking (late 70s for M.I.U. and mid- to late-90s), his voice noticeably improved afterward. You can do any number of drugs and subject yourself to any amount of abuse, but the two killers for a voice seem to simply be overwork and cigs.
Brian's "current" voice isn't that current either. We just hear more of it. The breaking point seems to be the early 80s -- he went into it still able to phrase reasonably intelligently (MIU again), and came out of it with the BB85 album, where you first hear that shouty, slightly unhinged sound.
My assumption has always been that Brian suffered some sort of permanent brain damage around that time, and he essentially has had to relearn to sing. This is separate from what happened toward the end of the Landy years -- I think that was less about the voice and more about the mind, period. And what he lost then -- mentally, creatively, personally -- has come back very slowly.
oldsurferdude:
Quote from: Wirestone on July 14, 2010, 04:15:55 PM
The difference is simple. Dylan tours more than 100 dates a year and smokes like a chimney. Same thing with Joni (well, minus the incessant touring).
Every time Brian stopped smoking (late 70s for M.I.U. and mid- to late-90s), his voice noticeably improved afterward. You can do any number of drugs and subject yourself to any amount of abuse, but the two killers for a voice seem to simply be overwork and cigs.
Brian's "current" voice isn't that current either. We just hear more of it. The breaking point seems to be the early 80s -- he went into it still able to phrase reasonably intelligently (MIU again), and came out of it with the BB85 album, where you first hear that shouty, slightly unhinged sound.
My assumption has always been that Brian suffered some sort of permanent brain damage around that time, and he essentially has had to relearn to sing. This is separate from what happened toward the end of the Landy years -- I think that was less about the voice and more about the mind, period. And what he lost then -- mentally, creatively, personally -- has come back very slowly.
Couldn't agree more-I've always noticed his phrasing, style etc. that sounded more like a "learning" process than that of a seasoned singer. Add voice lessons to that thought and there you have it.
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