David Marks and Peter Best

[Wrightfan]

Man, foda the Beatles.

What's so great about the Beatles? All they did was rip off The Rutles.

PREACH IT! 

Did the Beatles ever sing about sub sandwiches? I don't think so.

[astroray]

Does Brian Jones fit in this thread anywhere?

[BillA]

Ian Stewart on Piano.

David Sancois (left the E-Street band during the recording of Born to Run - always thought he was better than Roy Bittan) on keyboards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt-RrnDESVo   Listen to the organ solo starting at about 3:35

Mick Avory (of the Kinks) was a drummer for the Stones prior to Charlie Watts

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Maybe I should say 'forgotten' founding members of bands. Even though David Marks was on 5 albums with several hits, he has been unjustly forgotten. Syd Barret not as much, but most Pink Floyd fans don't immediately think of him. Pete Best, I really didn't know much about him when I started this thread, except that he was the Beatles drummer when they became the Beatles (Silver Beatles in 1960). I don't mean to say that everyone of these founding members have the exact same story, or the same worth to the band. David Marks was somewhere half way between Syd Barret and Pete Best. But they were all founding members of bands that became super groups and were largely forgotten. When most people think of the Beach Boys, they picture Al Jardine, not David Marks. I am glad that Jon wrote 'The Lost Beach Boy' to show how much David meant to the early Beach Boys and I am sorry if there has been in just comparison to him and Pete Best, but that wasn't really my point. Maybe, in the end, this thread would choose to replace Pete Best with another drummer, which is what this vain topic is really all about.

[Cliff1000uk]

I may be opening myself up here to ridicule but......could someone please post a Top Ten Beatles album with Pete Best on the cover?

(He doesn't have to be holding a surfboard!)

[LostArt]

Michael Bryan Murphy sang the lead vocals on REO Speedwagon's "Ridin' The Storm Out", and was then replaced by Kevin Cronin.

John Curulewski played guitar on "Lady" and "Suite Madame Blue" by Styx, then left the band and was replaced by Tommy Shaw.

Gregg Rolie played keys and sang on "Feelin' That Way" and "Wheel In The Sky" by Journey before giving way to Jonathan Cain.

There must be thousands of guys who left bands while still in the bar band stages.  

[Carrie Marks]

I am not sure if you are serious or making a point. I know that David Marks was still with the Beach Boys when they were famous, and its not a good comparison to Pete Best. And I have read the book 'The Lost Beach Boy' and understand how much a part of the band he was. The only reason I put them together is because they were forgotten.

I can't tell if you are upset about this thread or you REALLY want more info on Pete Best.

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, OK, maybe a little...but to be honest, while I understand your intentions were not meant to be disrespectful...the Pete Best comparison only serves to reinforce that false myth that David didn't play a role in, or missed out on, the Beach Boys.  Its true his name may not be as well known as the Wilson's, or even Al's...but you would be hard-pressed to find an adult who hasn't seen David's face or heard his guitar at some point in their life. As someone who chose a career in music, that's quite an accomplishment. So, to be compared with someone who had NO involvement with the Beatles success, it does insult his most successful body of work.  If any random musician had the amount of success David has had in his life, they would get respect...but for some strange reason, just because the BB went on to do 'even more' great work without him, the great work David did somehow gets discounted. 

[Carrie Marks]

There must be thousands of guys who left bands while still in the bar band stages.  

Exactly my point, you can't equate the late 1963 Beach Boys (and therefore David Marks) with a band still in the bar band stages.  

[Andrew G. Doe]

I am not sure if you are serious or making a point. I know that David Marks was still with the Beach Boys when they were famous, and its not a good comparison to Pete Best. And I have read the book 'The Lost Beach Boy' and understand how much a part of the band he was. The only reason I put them together is because they were forgotten.

I can't tell if you are upset about this thread or you REALLY want more info on Pete Best.

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, OK, maybe a little...but to be honest, while I understand your intentions were not meant to be disrespectful...the Pete Best comparison only serves to reinforce that false myth that David didn't play a role in, or missed out on, the Beach Boys.  Its true his name may not be as well known as the Wilson's, or even Al's...but you would be hard-pressed to find an adult who hasn't seen David's face or heard his guitar at some point in their life. As someone who chose a career in music, that's quite an accomplishment. So, to be compared with someone who had NO involvement with the Beatles success, it does insult his most successful body of work.  If any random musician had the amount of success David has had in his life, they would get respect...but for some strange reason, just because the BB went on to do 'even more' great work without him, the great work David did somehow gets discounted. 

I think that David's, ah, exit from the spotlight in historical terms had an overly generous assist from someone who it suited down to the ground. 

Let's put this Marks/best nonsense into a statistical perspective:

David Marks played on -

five Beach Boys singles, all of which charted Top 50: three charted Top 10, one Top 20. Additionally, of the B sides of those singles, one charted Top 20, two Top 30...

four Beach Boys albums, all of which charted Top 40: three were Top 10 sellers.

Pete Best played on -

no Beatles singles*...

no Beatles albums.

So, enough.

[* and before anyone says a word, the Tony Sheridan recordings were not as The Beatles, even though they were later released as such]

[Alex]

George Tickner-Guitar...played on the first Journey album, then quit the band to go to med school.


And also speaking of Journey, Gregg Rolie sang the lead vocal on a Peter Green Song...I'm sure most everyone here knows which one I'm talking about.

[Zander]

I am not sure if you are serious or making a point. I know that David Marks was still with the Beach Boys when they were famous, and its not a good comparison to Pete Best. And I have read the book 'The Lost Beach Boy' and understand how much a part of the band he was. The only reason I put them together is because they were forgotten.

I can't tell if you are upset about this thread or you REALLY want more info on Pete Best.

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, OK, maybe a little...but to be honest, while I understand your intentions were not meant to be disrespectful...the Pete Best comparison only serves to reinforce that false myth that David didn't play a role in, or missed out on, the Beach Boys.  Its true his name may not be as well known as the Wilson's, or even Al's...but you would be hard-pressed to find an adult who hasn't seen David's face or heard his guitar at some point in their life. As someone who chose a career in music, that's quite an accomplishment. So, to be compared with someone who had NO involvement with the Beatles success, it does insult his most successful body of work.  If any random musician had the amount of success David has had in his life, they would get respect...but for some strange reason, just because the BB went on to do 'even more' great work without him, the great work David did somehow gets discounted. 

I think that David's, ah, exit from the spotlight in historical terms had an overly generous assist from someone who it suited down to the ground. 

Let's put this Marks/best nonsense into a statistical perspective:

David Marks played on -

five Beach Boys singles, all of which charted Top 50: three charted Top 10, one Top 20. Additionally, of the B sides of those singles, one charted Top 20, two Top 30...

four Beach Boys albums, all of which charted Top 40: three were Top 10 sellers.

Pete Best played on -

no Beatles singles*...

no Beatles albums.

So, enough.

[* and before anyone says a word, the Tony Sheridan recordings were not as The Beatles, even though they were later released as such]

Well he did indirectly play on an "album" under the Beatles name - Anthology 1. Though obviously that's a collection of unreleased recordings 30 years after but you get the idea annd if you wanted to be really picky you could say also the "grey-market" Decca Audtion Album which you can buy at Amazon here...

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Decca-Sessions-Beatles-Pete/dp/B000VJ3BYC

 

[Pretty Funky]

One guy who did leave before his band got huge has been missed so far. What about Al Jardine? Does he count in this thread?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I am not sure if you are serious or making a point. I know that David Marks was still with the Beach Boys when they were famous, and its not a good comparison to Pete Best. And I have read the book 'The Lost Beach Boy' and understand how much a part of the band he was. The only reason I put them together is because they were forgotten.

I can't tell if you are upset about this thread or you REALLY want more info on Pete Best.

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time, OK, maybe a little...but to be honest, while I understand your intentions were not meant to be disrespectful...the Pete Best comparison only serves to reinforce that false myth that David didn't play a role in, or missed out on, the Beach Boys.  Its true his name may not be as well known as the Wilson's, or even Al's...but you would be hard-pressed to find an adult who hasn't seen David's face or heard his guitar at some point in their life. As someone who chose a career in music, that's quite an accomplishment. So, to be compared with someone who had NO involvement with the Beatles success, it does insult his most successful body of work.  If any random musician had the amount of success David has had in his life, they would get respect...but for some strange reason, just because the BB went on to do 'even more' great work without him, the great work David did somehow gets discounted. 

I think that David's, ah, exit from the spotlight in historical terms had an overly generous assist from someone who it suited down to the ground. 

Let's put this Marks/best nonsense into a statistical perspective:

David Marks played on -

five Beach Boys singles, all of which charted Top 50: three charted Top 10, one Top 20. Additionally, of the B sides of those singles, one charted Top 20, two Top 30...

four Beach Boys albums, all of which charted Top 40: three were Top 10 sellers.

Pete Best played on -

no Beatles singles*...

no Beatles albums.

So, enough.

[* and before anyone says a word, the Tony Sheridan recordings were not as The Beatles, even though they were later released as such]

Well he did indirectly play on an "album" under the Beatles name - Anthology 1. Though obviously that's a collection of unreleased recordings 30 years after but you get the idea annd if you wanted to be really picky you could say also the "grey-market" Decca Audtion Album which you can buy at Amazon here...

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Decca-Sessions-Beatles-Pete/dp/B000VJ3BYC

 

You want picky ? I got picky. 

David was in the Beach Boys late February 1962-October 5th 1963: how many singles and albums did they record and release during that period ? How many charted ?

Pete was in The Beatles August 12th 1960-August 16th 1962: how many singles and albums did they record and release during that period ? How many charted ?

Game, set and, I do believe, match. 

[Zander]

I did say give it 30 years AGD... 

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Am I able to edit the topic title to David Marks and Syd Barret so as to get back to my main point?   

[Howie Edelson]

Re: That Amazon Decca CD -- back in 1982 the Decca material was "grey market" for about a nanno-second. In 2010, it's pure bootleg.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

George Tickner-Guitar...played on the first Journey album, then quit the band to go to med school.


And also speaking of Journey, Gregg Rolie sang the lead vocal on a Peter Green Song...I'm sure most everyone here knows which one I'm talking about.

Black Magic Woman, right?

[Alex]

One guy who did leave before his band got huge has been missed so far. What about Al Jardine? Does he count in this thread?

If anything, Al is the Pete Best of the Beach Boys...only Al came back to the group.

[Mike's Beard]

Our mythical supergroup is missing a bassist and percussionist so I therefore present

Michael Dempsey the original bassist for The Cure left after the first album to be replaced by Simon Gallop. Bet he's regretted that once or twice over the past 30 years or so...

Steve Peregrine Took used to hit the bongos and make funny noises in Tyrannosaurs Rex before getting kicked out by Marc Bolan. 6 months later they changed their name to T-Rex and sold millions, Doh!

Also,
Jack Sherman was the original guitarist (at least in the studio) for Red Hot Chilli Peppers but got fired after the first album. God knows where he is today?

Anthony Phillips quit Genesis just before they had any success due to chronic stagefright.

[Alex]

George Tickner-Guitar...played on the first Journey album, then quit the band to go to med school.


And also speaking of Journey, Gregg Rolie sang the lead vocal on a Peter Green Song...I'm sure most everyone here knows which one I'm talking about.

Black Magic Woman, right?

Yup!

[alanjames]

Some crazy man created this video that I found on Youtube: If the Beatles continued with Pete Best on drums...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEVUyLUNQ2M

Totally strange.

[Jonas]

:lol:lol

those pete best videos are fucking classic! i seriously couldnt stop laughing after hearing a day in the life...

[Surfing Moose]

Imagine what A Day in The Life would sound like with Pete Best and Stu Sutcliffe 

[absinthe_boy]

I don't think Peter Green would count as Fleetwood Mac scored one UK number 1 single with him at the helm (Albatross) and had 3 hit l albums and seven hit singles before he left.....Greenie wasn't forgotten or unknown....at least in the UK. OK so Fleetwood Mac went stratospheric some 5 years after Green left..but they'd reached the top with Green prior to that.

Syd Barrett only fully contributed to one Pink Floyd record but it was a hit, as were the first two singles which he wrote. However given that the band then existed for nearly 30 years without his input I could see him being on the list.

John Mayhew...yup...totally with that one. Or John Silver & Chris Stewart (his predecessors). Ant Phillips, the original Genesis guitarist.

How about Peter Banks of Yes...played on their first 2 LPs which didn't achieve any success...left and was replaced by Steve Howe who helped shape The Yes Album...and the rest his history.

Got a bass player...Bob Brunning...played on a couple of unsuccessful 45's and a few gigs with Fleetwood Mac before they presuaded John McVie to join.

[rogerlancelot]

I noticed a lot of Beatles/Beach Boys comparisons in this thread so I thought I would add a few more:

1) The Beatles were once more popular than Jesus according to an American teen magazine.

2) The Beach Boys were way more famous in America (before 1964 of course).

3) The Beach Boys recorded way more albums than the Beatles ever did (especially after 1969).

4) In 1967, Sgt. Pepper's and Magical Mystery Tour sold more copies than Smiley Smile, Wild Honey and Best Of The Beach Boys Vol. 2 combined!

5) In 1970 there were more members of the Beach Boys than there were in the Beatles (true for 1965 too!).

6) The 1967 singles "All You Need Is Love" and "Hello Goodbye" outsold "Then I Kissed Her" and "Gettin' Hungry".

7) The Beach Boys sold more albums in 1974 than the Beatles.

The Beach Boys performed more concerts than the Beatles in 1968.

I'll stop. That could be a whole (funny) thread to itself.