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« on: May 26, 2010, 05:23:49 PM »
Good songs but...Never really got into Trader even tho everyone raved about it.
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 05:28:07 PM »
Trader's OK but yeah, it is too long imo.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 05:39:34 PM »
I love The Trader just the way it is.  Not too long at all for me.  But yeah Heaven is a little too long.  The single edit is more manageable.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 08:37:51 PM »
Nope, don't find either song too long. More Carl Wilson, please!
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 09:09:07 PM »
Trader is an epic,departure song by the group and perfect the way it was intended
to be presented in every way.

Heaven, yeah - too long.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 11:45:10 PM »
LMFAO. No.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2010, 12:15:48 AM »
Songs that ARE too long:

Cry
Tears In The Morning
Strange Things Happen
Deirdre (Going Public Version)
East Meets West
Passing Friend
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2010, 12:54:36 AM »
Quote from: Eric Aniversario on May 27, 2010, 12:15:48 AM
Songs that ARE too long:

Cry
Tears In The Morning
Strange Things Happen
Deirdre (Going Public Version)
East Meets West
Passing Friend


How about the disco version of Here Comes the Night from the L.A. (Light Album)?
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2010, 01:04:03 AM »
Quote from: mikeyj on May 27, 2010, 12:54:36 AM


How about the disco version of Here Comes the Night from the L.A. (Light Album)?
I actually like it the way it is.  The shorter edits feel like they are missing key elements.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2010, 01:16:11 AM »
Quote from: Eric Aniversario on May 27, 2010, 01:04:03 AM
Quote from: mikeyj on May 27, 2010, 12:54:36 AM


How about the disco version of Here Comes the Night from the L.A. (Light Album)?
I actually like it the way it is.  The shorter edits feel like they are missing key elements.

Fair enough. I must admit it has grown on me a lot - I used to detest it but now I don't mind it so much - but for me it's still a bit too long.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2010, 11:18:15 AM »
YES @ "Trader". I've thought so since getting into it. The first section is just a tad too long, the ending section is way too long. But then I struggle to imagine a better structure while still telling the story the same.

"Heaven", yeah, a bit.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2010, 11:38:27 AM »
Nah, "Trader" is just perfect as it is, to these ears at any rate.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2010, 11:56:25 AM »
How 'bout "Can't Wait Too Long"?  Is it WAY TOO LONG??  Razz
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2010, 11:58:01 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2010, 12:18:42 PM »
Trader is too long for me - not really much of a fan of the song or indeed the album that it's from.
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2010, 02:54:23 PM »
I agree on "Trader" being perfect the way it is. In terms of songwriting, this might be my favourite Carl Wilson song.
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2010, 04:34:37 PM »
I like the live Trader version although in the day I can imagine that was time for a visit to the concession stand during the concert.

The narrative on California Saga: Big Sur/ The Beaks Of Eagles/ California has always grated for me.

Cool concept but I prefer individual sections rather than the whole.
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2010, 04:52:00 PM »
Both songs are the perfect length for me. Also, I just love "Holland"! I play it whenever I feel the need to get away from the current place I am in. I always feel as though I am floating down some lazy river in an old world scene. Just a wonderful mood album!

I'm with Emdeeh, more Carl, please!
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2010, 10:52:30 PM »
Love the Holland album...Think Trader should faded end at the 3:55 mark (the break)-The thought was finished  for me...Funkey Pretty-great song-too sleepy (demo' like) production...Sail On Sailor, Pretty and Trader I like better live...Also wish the great In Concert Lp had a Surf's Up tune and/ or Forever on it...But I guess at the time they went with the current lp...Holland. Love that In Concert album...Kille USA. Vibes & Fun versions.
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2010, 12:13:23 AM »
Love Trader. To me it continues the theme of "see, see what you've done, to the church of the American Indian..."
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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2010, 04:22:08 AM »
Personally, Trader is a gem of a song and never seemed to outstay its welcome. My favourite "version" of Heaven is the one Carl sings in Waikiki for their 25th Anniversary. Saw it way before I knew there was a "Carl Wilson" or "Youngblood" and has been a favourite performance of mine ever since.
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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2010, 05:56:33 AM »
I used to think the same about Feel Flows. But when I saw the video of them doing it live in 1977, it changed my mind. Feel Flows has a hypnotic kind of flow to it. But for some reason Trader doesn't hook me in the same way. Maybe if I saw a live version of that it would change my mind as well. Heaven is such a beautiful song. I never really considered that one as too long.
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2010, 04:24:15 PM »
I prefer the studio version of "The Trader". It has a very nice groove to it. The live version on "In Concert" is just a wee bit too fast in first section.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2010, 04:26:01 PM »
Quote from: Wee Helper on May 28, 2010, 12:13:23 AM
Love Trader. To me it continues the theme of "see, see what you've done, to the church of the American Indian..."
Well said! I feel exactly the same way.
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« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2010, 09:51:16 PM »
Don't get me wrong - I love "Trader", but I still feel like it's too long.
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