A question. Two, actually.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Even Pet Sounds had Sloop John B. I wonder if any BBs album had ALL original and newly recorded material.

Ehhh - a song recorded before Pet Sounds but after Summer Days counts as a recent recording, to me.

I agree. But it is not a BB original.

[Andrew G. Doe]

"SJB" wasn't recorded expressly for Pet Sounds.

As for Friends, true, there's a "CIFTTM" riff in "Little Bird", but the belief is that Brian slipped that in when he gave  Dennis a helping hand, so I can turn a blind eye to that and declare it the most recent album that consisted of entirely newly written material (as far as we know). "It's Just A Matter Of Time" was performed live back in the 1983.

[runnersdialzero]

"SJB" wasn't recorded expressly for Pet Sounds.

As for Friends, true, there's a "CIFTTM" riff in "Little Bird", but the belief is that Brian slipped that in when he gave  Dennis a helping hand, so I can turn a blind eye to that and declare it the most recent album that consisted of entirely newly written material (as far as we know). "It's Just A Matter Of Time" was performed live back in the 1983.

This is confusing - you say Friends is all new despite a recycled section meant for something two albums before it, but "It's Just a Matter of Time" is considered 'older material', despite being written only two years prior to the only album it could have possibly been on - the only prior album coming out in 1980?

I'm not sure what window you have in mind for when material is considered new or old - if you put out an album in 1980, write a song in 1983, and are recording an album in 1985, isn't that still new material given that no album came out in 1983 that said song could have been on?

Not coming after you, just confused by the approach, here.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Yeah, I'm being picky... the general opinion is that "Little Bird" as originally written, had no "CIFTTM" riff.

[runnersdialzero]

Yeah, I'm being picky... the general opinion is that "Little Bird" as originally written, had no "CIFTTM" riff.

Likely so, I was posting more about feeling that 85 was the last album to contain all new material, tho.

[Jay]

Desper says that Sail On Sailor was recorded a few months before the Holland version. "A few months" is recent. A five year space between albums is not recent, IMO. I would define a "newly composed song" as a song written three to six months or so before proper recording sessions commence. But that's just me.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Desper says that Sail On Sailor was recorded a few months before the Holland version. "A few months" is recent. A five year space between albums is not recent, IMO. I would define a "newly composed song" as a song written three to six months or so before proper recording sessions commence. But that's just me.

SWD told me back in 1985 that, and I quote, "the one released on Holland sounds awfully like the one I recorded with Brian back in 1971". Plus, "Big Sur" was written back in 1970 (unless Mike perfected the knack of recording a song some two years before he wrote it  ).

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Yes. But what about Diamond Head. Isn't that a cover?

[Roger Ryan]

Yes. But what about Diamond Head. Isn't that a cover?

But Brian is credited as one of the writers, right? I thought this track developed out of a jam with the session guys.

As for PET SOUNDS, didn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" date back to '64?

This is an interesting thread idea, Andrew. There has been so much carping about Brian recycling material over the last decade or so when, in fact, it seems that has been his method of working for his entire career (although I fully admit the ratio between new and old has tipped significantly to old during the second half of that career).

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Yes. But what about Diamond Head. Isn't that a cover?

But Brian is credited as one of the writers, right? I thought this track developed out of a jam with the session guys.

As for PET SOUNDS, didn't "I'm Waiting For The Day" date back to '64?

This is an interesting thread idea, Andrew. There has been so much carping about Brian recycling material over the last decade or so when, in fact, it seems that has been his method of working for his entire career (although I fully admit the ratio between new and old has tipped significantly to old during the second half of that career).

If that's the case, then I like this song even more!

[Jay]

OK, I have a question I thought of earlier today that is kind of on this subject. What is the one song from The Beach Boys(I'm talking about the group specificly) that had the longest "creative span"? I'm talking about from their "active" years as a studio band, from 1961 to whenever Summer In Paradise came out(I don't remember the exact year, and don't care enough to find out.  ). Stars and Stripes Forever, as I like to effectionately(?) call it doesn't count. The song Loop De Loop doesn't count either, since it's an "archiveal release". My best guess would be Back Home. It was first written and recorded in 1963(I believe), but was not released until 15BigOnes came out in 1976. That's 13 years. Yes, I know that the 15BO's version was recorded in 1975, but the album was not released until 1976.

[slothrop]

OK, I have a question I thought of earlier today that is kind of on this subject. What is the one song from The Beach Boys(I'm talking about the group specificly) that had the longest "creative span"? I'm talking about from their "active" years as a studio band, from 1961 to whenever Summer In Paradise came out(I don't remember the exact year, and don't care enough to find out.  ). Stars and Stripes Forever, as I like to effectionately(?) call it doesn't count. The song Loop De Loop doesn't count either, since it's an "archiveal release". My best guess would be Back Home. It was first written and recorded in 1963(I believe), but was not released until 15BigOnes came out in 1976. That's 13 years. Yes, I know that the 15BO's version was recorded in 1975, but the album was not released until 1976.

There's a version from around Sunflower too I think. Isn't it Al singing lead there? But yes, the 63 version rocks pretty good, despite being incomplete (or so it sounds)...15 Big Ones version is pretty awesome too though.

[Jay]

It could be argued that the Sunflower version is technically a totally different song from the 1963 and 1976 versions. The "back home" chorus doesn't happen until the very end of the song. The melody and basic structure are pretty much the same as the released version, but the lyrics make it a totally different song. The only thing that the 1963 and 1970 versions have in common is a middle eight section that didn't even make it to the officially released 1976 album version. Here's a bit of trivia I bet you didn't know: At a 1978 Michigan concert, when Brian sang Back Home, he sang "Well, I'm gonna spend my summer back hoooooooooome", like Al does on the 1970 version.

[DonnaK]

You guys know way too much.....it's scary .....all the BB info you have should qualify for a special award. Me? I just enjoy the music!

[Jay]

You guys know way too much.....it's scary .....all the BB info you have should qualify for a special award. Me? I just enjoy the music!

We do get a special reward. It's called a straight jacket. 

[runnersdialzero]

It could be argued that the Sunflower version is technically a totally different song from the 1963 and 1976 versions. The "back home" chorus doesn't happen until the very end of the song. The melody and basic structure are pretty much the same as the released version, but the lyrics make it a totally different song. The only thing that the 1963 and 1970 versions have in common is a middle eight section that didn't even make it to the officially released 1976 album version. Here's a bit of trivia I bet you didn't know: At a 1978 Michigan concert, when Brian sang Back Home, he sang "Well, I'm gonna spend my summer back hoooooooooome", like Al does on the 1970 version.

I always thought the melody was noticeably different in the 70 version from the other two.

[Roger Ryan]

Here's a bit of trivia I bet you didn't know: At a 1978 Michigan concert, when Brian sang Back Home, he sang "Well, I'm gonna spend my summer back hoooooooooome", like Al does on the 1970 version.

That wouldn't happen to be the Oct. 27th, 1978 concert at Crisler Arena in Ann Arbor, MI would it? Because I distinctly remember Brian abandoning his lead vocal in "Back Home" in mid-line and walking off stage, causing Mike to scramble for the microphone to finish the lead vocal for the song!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Personally, I prefer the released version to the other two; for some reason, the unreleased versions sound too sterile for me.

[Alex]

OK, I have a question I thought of earlier today that is kind of on this subject. What is the one song from The Beach Boys(I'm talking about the group specificly) that had the longest "creative span"? I'm talking about from their "active" years as a studio band, from 1961 to whenever Summer In Paradise came out(I don't remember the exact year, and don't care enough to find out.  ). Stars and Stripes Forever, as I like to effectionately(?) call it doesn't count. The song Loop De Loop doesn't count either, since it's an "archiveal release". My best guess would be Back Home. It was first written and recorded in 1963(I believe), but was not released until 15BigOnes came out in 1976. That's 13 years. Yes, I know that the 15BO's version was recorded in 1975, but the album was not released until 1976.

What about Sandy/Sherry/She Says She Needs Me?

[Andrew G. Doe]

OK, I have a question I thought of earlier today that is kind of on this subject. What is the one song from The Beach Boys(I'm talking about the group specificly) that had the longest "creative span"? I'm talking about from their "active" years as a studio band, from 1961 to whenever Summer In Paradise came out(I don't remember the exact year, and don't care enough to find out.  ). Stars and Stripes Forever, as I like to effectionately(?) call it doesn't count. The song Loop De Loop doesn't count either, since it's an "archiveal release". My best guess would be Back Home. It was first written and recorded in 1963(I believe), but was not released until 15BigOnes came out in 1976. That's 13 years. Yes, I know that the 15BO's version was recorded in 1975, but the album was not released until 1976.

What about Sandy/Sherry/She Says She Needs Me?

Remains unreleased by The Beach Boys.

[jimmyboy]

Even Pet Sounds had Sloop John B. I wonder if any BBs album had ALL original and newly recorded material.

I'm sure I'm missing something (recycled riffs could be the kicker), but isn't Friends newly recorded new material ?

Not the Australian pressing, of course. 

What is the story with the Australian pressing,please.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Even Pet Sounds had Sloop John B. I wonder if any BBs album had ALL original and newly recorded material.

I'm sure I'm missing something (recycled riffs could be the kicker), but isn't Friends newly recorded new material ?

Not the Australian pressing, of course. 

What is the story with the Australian pressing,please.

They included "Good Vibrations" instead of "Diamond Head".