BB STARLINE REISSUES

[zeke]

Hey all anyone heard of an all black capital, starline label ? I have one.....

[Dogbone51]

Hey all anyone heard of an all black capital, starline label ? I have one.....

I'm guessing if it's Beach Boys..it's BEST OF Vol 1...

There were a lot of different colors on the STARLINES--everything from Turquoise to Gold to Black...but NOT all colors were used with the Beach Boys.

Is yours a Beach Boys' release?  Feel free to scan and share it..if you like.

Dogbone

[SMiLE-Holland]

Hey all anyone heard of an all black capital, starline label ? I have one.....

I second that. If this is a Beach Boys release, we're always curious if there's another variation of label-colour around.


The Beach Boys Starlines website.
Thanks to dogbone, I was able to make another update: Tan-C with the DOME logo is also "completed".

[JeffRetro]

SMiLE-Holland, I think it was you in another thread that pointed out that there were two mono mixes for "Fun, Fun, Fun," which I had no idea about until your post.  But checking the GREATEST HITS, VOL. 1 and SURFER GIRL/SHUT DOWN, VOL. 2 CD's you are absolutely right.

I'm trying to find out which mix was on the original orange/yellow swirl label 45.  This may be a rare case in which Capitol sent the two different mixes to the two different pressing plants (L.A. and Scranton).  Motown in the mid to late 60's did this quite often, and all the different mixes appear in THE COMPLETE MOTOWN SINGLES CD collections.

Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

[SMiLE-Holland]

SMiLE-Holland, I think it was you in another thread that pointed out that there were two mono mixes for "Fun, Fun, Fun," which I had no idea about until your post.  But checking the GREATEST HITS, VOL. 1 and SURFER GIRL/SHUT DOWN, VOL. 2 CD's you are absolutely right.

I'm trying to find out which mix was on the original orange/yellow swirl label 45.  This may be a rare case in which Capitol sent the two different mixes to the two different pressing plants (L.A. and Scranton).  Motown in the mid to late 60's did this quite often, and all the different mixes appear in THE COMPLETE MOTOWN SINGLES CD collections.

Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Can't take the honour for that one as it wasn't me, but I did read it somewhere...

And I think I only have the west-coast pressing, so I can't compare, sorry.

[Dogbone51]

Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Hey Jeff--

Welcome back.  I'm sure you have had a chance to take a look at the website, with all of the STARLINES...any comments etc??

I have multiple copies of the FUN FUN FUN on the Orange and Yellow Swirl.  At some point, I can get them together and take a listen to see if in fact the different pressings have different mixes.

But, forgive my ignorance..as I've not COMPLETELY savvy about WEST vs EAST coast pressing.

Can you give me some details (ie dead wax notations, label variations etc), which can help me determine WEST vs EAST coast copies??  If I have both, I'll give a listen, and let you know what I find out.

Feel free to drop me a message privately if you prefer.

Dogbone

[Irwin M. Fletcher]

I heard somewhere that there were several mixes of Fun Fun Fun made in '64 and many were put out accidentally. The big three we obviously know are the mono/stereo LP mixes and the mono 45, but there are definitely some other ones.

[JeffRetro]

Can someone who has both East and West Coast pressings of "Fun, Fun, Fun" listen to the solos and tell me if the guitar or organ is louder in the mix for each pressing?  This would be greatly appreciated!  Thanks!

Hey Jeff--

Welcome back.  I'm sure you have had a chance to take a look at the website, with all of the STARLINES...any comments etc??

I have multiple copies of the FUN FUN FUN on the Orange and Yellow Swirl.  At some point, I can get them together and take a listen to see if in fact the different pressings have different mixes.

But, forgive my ignorance..as I've not COMPLETELY savvy about WEST vs EAST coast pressing.

Can you give me some details (ie dead wax notations, label variations etc), which can help me determine WEST vs EAST coast copies??  If I have both, I'll give a listen, and let you know what I find out.

Feel free to drop me a message privately if you prefer.

Dogbone

I've been watching everything all along; just haven't had anything to add.

The Starline Website looks great.  I can tell you that for the green swirl and target label sections all the tall fonts are Scranton pressings, while the short fonts are Los Angeles.  Also, Los Angeles pressings have a star-shaped graphic in the runout grooves (it actually looks more like a spread out asterisk), and the Scranton pressings have a triangle with the initial "IAM" inside.

TOKENSURFER's Facebook photo album on the orange/yellow swirl labels has examples of 4 different pressings, 2 L.A. (#73 and #75) and 2 Scranton (#74 and #76) pressings, with the difference being the composer credit ("Brian Wilson" vs. "Brian Wilson/Mike Love").

Hope this helps.  I was going to post the pictures here, but for some reason I'm unable to upload pictures.  SMiLE-Holland, can you fix that?

[Dogbone51]

The Starline Website looks great.  I can tell you that for the green swirl and target label sections all the tall fonts are Scranton pressings, while the short fonts are Los Angeles.  Also, Los Angeles pressings have a star-shaped graphic in the runout grooves (it actually looks more like a spread out asterisk), and the Scranton pressings have a triangle with the initial "IAM" inside.

TOKENSURFER's Facebook photo album on the orange/yellow swirl labels has examples of 4 different pressings, 2 L.A. (#73 and #75) and 2 Scranton (#74 and #76) pressings, with the difference being the composer credit ("Brian Wilson" vs. "Brian Wilson/Mike Love").

Yes, I am aware of the info about the marks in the dead space.  I just haven't had a chance to really go through and look at everything.  I was going to do it, when everything was scanned and posted, and then with SMiLE's help, revise everything. 

As for the FUN FUN FUN....   Brian Wilson composer credit would be LA  and BW/ML is Scranton?  is this how I understand it?  Either way, I will look at the copies I have, and see if they're different, and then play them, and see if the mixes are in fact different as well.  We do agree, that we're talking about the MONO mixes...and NOT the Stereo mixes..which is obviously different, and has the shorter ending, as we all know.  Do we know if the MONO mixes on the LPs from LA and Scranton are different as well?
 
Dogbone

[JeffRetro]

As for the FUN FUN FUN....   Brian Wilson composer credit would be LA  and BW/ML is Scranton?  is this how I understand it?  Either way, I will look at the copies I have, and see if they're different, and then play them, and see if the mixes are in fact different as well.  We do agree, that we're talking about the MONO mixes...and NOT the Stereo mixes..which is obviously different, and has the shorter ending, as we all know.  Do we know if the MONO mixes on the LPs from LA and Scranton are different as well?

No, actually there are both L.A. and Scranton pressings with both composer credits (for a total of 4 different pressings, 2 for each plant).  And, yes, I'm only talking about the longer mono mixes.  One mix (on the GREATEST HITS VOL. 1 CD) has the guitar in the solo mixed louder than the organ in the solo; the other mix (the "Single Version" on the SURFER GIRL/SHUT DOWN VOL. 2 two-fer CD) has the opposite, i.e. the organ is mixed louder than the guitar on the solo.

I don't know if the different plants received different mixes, just that two different mono mixes exist and that perhaps they went to the different plants.  It's also possible that two sets of metal parts were fabricated in L.A. with one set being sent to Scranton, which would obviously mean both plants were pressing the same mix.

One other thing, the L.A. pressings had the title on two lines, whereas the Scranton pressings had the title on a single line.

[Christian]

TOKENSURFER's Facebook photo album on the orange/yellow swirl labels has examples of 4 different pressings, 2 L.A. (#73 and #75) and 2 Scranton (#74 and #76) pressings, with the difference being the composer credit ("Brian Wilson" vs. "Brian Wilson/Mike Love").

There´s still a third east coast label variation:

facebook # 74 + # 76

I think you can identify the different mixes by the master number (45-51190, 45-51179) found under the catalogue number 5118.

[SMiLE-Holland]

Hope this helps.  I was going to post the pictures here, but for some reason I'm unable to upload pictures.  SMiLE-Holland, can you fix that?

Jeff, it happens that the upload-folder is full (I think that that's the message you got when trying to attach a file). I can resolve that problem by removing a few pictures from that folder, that would mean though that you'll see some pictures having disappeared.

In the meanwhile, I'd suggest you use a picture-upoad website, which I also recommended to tokensurfer a while back. This is how it works:

when you go to www.tinypic.com this should do the work:

1. use the "browse"-button to search for the picture-file you'd like to upload  (as an example I took the Help Me Ronda pic token recently uploaded)
2. click on the green "upload now" / "nu uploaden" button.
3. when the upload is done (goes very quick), you'll receive a few links
   - HTML for websites
   - Image code (IMG) for forums
   - URL for e-mail etc.
   - a direct link for lay-outs

4. Use the image code in this case it is [ IMG] http://i44.tinypic.com/osri2c.jpg [/IMG]

5. and voila, should get this picture (see below) as a result.



I hope this works for you. It does give you the opportunity to upload bigger pictures than a direct attachment on this board (with a max of 128kb).

[SMiLE-Holland]

The Starline Website looks great.  I can tell you that for the green swirl and target label sections all the tall fonts are Scranton pressings, while the short fonts are Los Angeles.  Also, Los Angeles pressings have a star-shaped graphic in the runout grooves (it actually looks more like a spread out asterisk), and the Scranton pressings have a triangle with the initial "IAM" inside.

Yes, I am aware of the info about the marks in the dead space.  I just haven't had a chance to really go through and look at everything.  I was going to do it, when everything was scanned and posted, and then with SMiLE's help, revise everything. 

Ah, yes, the marks in the run-out grooves. It would be great if we were able to make scans of those. Wll be a bit more difficult than the regular scans of the labels, but it would be a good method to explain exactly what the differences are. We'll get back on that later when we've finished the label-scans.

[TOKENSURFER]

TIMEOUT EVERYONE.  I NOTICED ON GOOD VIBES SMILE CHEATED(I'M SAYING IT IN GOOD NATURED FUN) AND CHANGED THE COLOUR/COLOR SCHEME ON GOOD TO MATCH THE V. HE MADE THE GOOD  DARKER. I USED THE GOOD AND SAMPLED THE COLOR OFF OF THAT WITHOUT CHANGING THE GOOD.  BUT SMILE MADE IT MATCH  WELL BUT A LITTLE TOO PERFECT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.  YOU NEED  SOMEHTING INBETWEEN MINE AND SMILE'S AND KEEP THE GOOD THE SAME LIGHTER COLOUR.  BUT  THAT'S JUST THE WAY I SEE IT. OUR EYES SEE  THE VARYING  COLOURS/COLORS.SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY AS WELL.  I SPELL IT BOTH WAYS SO OUR AMERICAN COUNTERPART CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE SAYING.   JUST KIDDING.   MY SCANNER HAS THE ABILITY TO SCAN THE LABEL IN TWO DIFFERENT SHADES OF THAT COLOR. AND I CHOOSE WHICH ONE COMES THE CLOSEST.

Token--which Red and White STARLINE is "amazing" as you say?  Not sure I follow you??   And most of the Brown Starlines match, yes...but what do you mean about the "Designated MONO Help Me Rhonda and Surfin' USA on the Brown"...Do you mean you have the variations which say MONO on the label??   

I CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE QUOTATIONS YET..  BTW IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO READ THE CAPITAL LETTERS THAN THE SMALL FONT.  I MEANT IN GENERAL THE RED & WHITE  THE QUANTITY AND VARIATIONS ARE AMAZING I WASN'T THERE IN THE STATES WHEN THOSE CAME OUT , SO I'M REALLY IMPRESSED .  AND IF YOU KNEW MY COLLECTION I DON'T GET TOO EXCITED ANYMORE. I PRETTY MUCH HAVE SEEN IT ALL .  I WAS THERE INITIALLY IN JAN. 75 UNTIL MAY 75 THEN CAME BACK TO THE STATES IN THE SUMMER OF 77. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE BROWN AND THE BLUE. I HAVE THE  MONO ON THE BROWN  YES I DO. IN FACT FUN FUN IS ALSO MONO AND LITTLE HONDA 6259 IS STEREO DESIGNATED. IT'S ON FACEBOOK
WELL DOGBONE AND SMILE  I DON'T THINK  THE SLEEVES IS A WASTE OF TIME . IT'S A CURIOSITY FACTOR . MY THEORY IS  WHY CREATE A GREEN TARGET SLEEVE LIKE THE RED & WHITE TARGET SLEEVE. UNLESS YOU MADE SOME AVOCADO LABELS TO START WITH FROM EVERY PLANT .  IF THEY WERE JUST INCIDENTAL SHADES OF COLOUR(NOT DONE ON PURPOSE) THEN WHY CREATE  A GREEN TARGET SLEEVE.  BY USING DOGBONE'S THEORY WHY WOULD CAPITOL BOTHER  THEY WERE TOO CHEAP  TO GO TO THAT EXPENSE.  BUT THEY STILL MADE GREEN SLEEVES ANYWAY AND WHY GO TO THAT EXPENSE UNLESS  MAYBE TO USE THEM ON THE AVOCADO LABELS . FOOD FOR THOUGHT . IT'S AN EXPRESSION SMILE MEANING SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BY 1970 THERE WERE ONLY 3 PLANTS .  L A  ILLINOIS VIRGINIA. SCRANTON PA WAS DEFUNCT IN 70.   THE OTHER  3 PLANTS WERE STILL KICKING IN 75.   
I DID THIS MESSAGE  2 DAYS AGO AND SAVED IT. NOW SMILE IS THERE ANY FLIPSIDES THAT I NEED TO DO THAT DOGBONE OR YOU DON'T HAVE AT THIS POINT.  I HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR SITE.  I HAVEN'T YET. I'VE BEEN BUSY  DOING SUMMER STUFF. I WILL RIGHT NOW IN FACT. BANGUP JOB  DOGBONE.  I TRIED  TO HELP OUT.  IF THERE'S A QUESTION I FORGOT  TO ANSWER I'LL RESPOND TO YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE .  YOU SURPRISED  ME WITH ALL THE CAP DOME BROWN.  I GUESS I DON'T MATCH YOU  ON THE BROWN EITHER. TOKEN

[TOKENSURFER]

TEN LITTLE INDIANS ALL POPPED IT UP SHORTLY DOGBONE WITH KLCH.  AT LEAST I HAD A FEW TOKEN OFFERINGS TO ADD TO THE STARLINE LIST.  GET IT ME  BEING.TOKEN   AND TOKEN OFFERINGS.  YOU HAD TO BE IN MY MIND TO REALISE HOW FUNNY THAT WAS.  THEN AGAIN JUST AS WELL YOU'RE NOT. LATER YEAH  I''LL BE THERE SMILE AND CHECK IT OUT

[TOKENSURFER]

OK SMILE CHECKOUT IN MY ROOM  GREEN SWIRL AND RED & WHITE  UNDER GREEN SWIRL STARLINES YOU'LL FIND BOTH OF THEM THERE.

[TOKENSURFER]

SMILE I CLEANED UP THAT FUN FUN FUN  WITH BLOTCHY MARK ON THE RED & WHITE.  CHECK BOTH THE RED & WHITE STARLINE SERIES AND THE GREEN SWIRL ETC SERIES  IT'S CLEANED UP. AND I WILL CLEAN UP THE GREEN STARLINE SURFIN USA 1963 .  BUT PLEASE USE THOSE I'VE CLEANED UP .

[TOKENSURFER]

SMILE I WILL SEND THEN TO YOU DIRECTLY INSTEAD OK.

[SMiLE-Holland]

SMILE I WILL SEND THEN TO YOU DIRECTLY INSTEAD OK.

thanks, that will be the easiest and quickest way.

[TOKENSURFER]

HEY DOGBONE AND JEFF ETC... I POSTED THE TEN LI GREEN SWIRL WITH KLCH ON MY FACEBOOK YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT AWAY.  JEFF AS FAR AS THE FUN FUN FUN GOES.   I DID THE SINGLE AND LP RECORDING OF IT AWILE BACK   BUT I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHICH SINGLE I USED. I'LL DO IT AGAIN.  THERE ARE MORE THAN 4 VARIATIONS OF FUN FUN /WHY DO FOOLS. THE WHY DO FOOLS ALSO HAS SANTIAGO ON AND NOT ON THERE.  WITH LOVE NOT  ON AND ON THERE.   I HAVE AT LEAST 5 DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THAT SINGLE.  IT ONLY SHOWS  4 ON  FACEBOOK. BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT COMBOS OF SANTIAGO AND LOVE WITH AND WITHOUT NOT TO MENTION THE DIFFERENT FONT. I HOPE THAT WAS CONFUSING ENOUGH.  I KNOW SEAN DAUBER MENTIONED WOULDN'T IT BE NICE 45 MIKE LOVE  IN THE BEGINNING WAS MISSING SOMETHING(MIDDLE EIGHT NO ECHO)  COMPARED TO THE PET SOUNDS LP. IN FACT THERE ARE KAZILLION VARIATIONS OF WOULDN'T IT BE NICE ON DIFFERENT COMPS. BUT IT STARTED WITH THE YELLOW SWIRL.  ALSO THERE IS THAT FUN FUN FUN ON AN AUSTRALIAN COMP IN STEREO WITH WHAT PETER REUM CALLED CENTRED/CENTERED STEREO. IT WAS TRULY DIFFERENT THAN ANY FUN FUN STEREO I HAD HEARD BEFORE.
I GUESS DOGBONE I'LL HAVE TO ADD THE FLIPS TO THE BLUE STARLINE SURFER GIRL.  I CONCENTRATED ON SURFER GIRL AFTER PETER REUM TOLD ME ABOUT THE BINAURAUL STEREO ON THE BROWN STARLINE. SO  I THOUGHT MAYBE THE BLUE MAY HAVE IT AS WELL.  I'LL HAVE TO CHECK MINE STILL. YIKES I'VE ONLY HAD THEM FOR 20 SOME ODD YRS.