TLOS Band Question

[Bedroom Tapes]

I know Bob Lizik got credit on TLOS, but he was nowhere to be found on the DVD.  Why's that?  Also, where did Jim Hines go?  Then how did Todd Sucherman and Brett Simons get involved?

[Don't Back Down]

It sounds like (on the sessions portion) Scott says about Bob "I pro-tooled his bass from the live show (??)". I don't know though, I never catch it every time and that's what came across to me. I'm sure others could clear it up.

[STE]

Jim and Bob left the band just before the recording of the album.
They probably used some of Bob's part from the demos or live rehearsals.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Todd is Taylor's hubby, has drummed for Brian before, and Brett got the gig because he was in bands with Scotty.

BTW, Jimmy & Bob didn't "leave" - they were fired.

[STE]

They were not fired, especially Bob. 
I have this one down 100%.

[Shady]

who to believe??  lol

[Jason]

Yeah, who TO believe...ol' top-hat or Brian himself?

That fella may look funny and he may be screwed up but ol' top-hat is a jolly ol' coot and I'll go with him.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Todd is Taylor's hubby, has drummed for Brian before, and Brett got the gig because he was in bands with Scotty.

BTW, Jimmy & Bob didn't "leave" - they were fired.

They were not fired, especially Bob. 
I have this one down 100%.

I heard they were "relieved of their duties". Take that as you will. Keep in mind though, that being fired doesn't necessarily mean it was on negative terms as far as performance or personality.

[Wilsonista]

Keep in mind a lot of the stuff from the demos made it to the final mix, which is why Bob is in the CD credits.

[Andrew G. Doe]

They were not fired, especially Bob. 
I have this one down 100%.

OK, I'll slightly revise my statement - it was made totally impossible for them to continue as functioning band members. My source for this statement is both impeccable and close to the action. Very close.

And my understanding is that the reasoning behind this was nothing to do with either personality or musical ability, but rather economic considerations.

[The Shift]

Whew! I'm nosey enough to want to know more ... but aware that use of a word like "fired" might have letigious implications -  no-one wants to be labelled as "fired" if it ain't strictly true as might imply misconduct; no-one wants to be labelled as having fired someone if they didn't as it might imply unfair dismissal.

Can we read into "economic considerations" that they were made redundant due to the current global credit crunch? 

Did Brian let them go, then take on lower-paid workers to take their place? 

What about British jobs for British workers?   

 

[Jim McShane]

OK, I'll slightly revise my statement - it was made totally impossible for them to continue as functioning band members. My source for this statement is both impeccable and close to the action. Very close.

And my understanding is that the reasoning behind this was nothing to do with either personality or musical ability, but rather economic considerations.

I can understand that Bob/Jim being based in Chicago would create some economic hardships with recording going on in LA, etc.  But Mike D'Amico lives in Florida, how's that any better? Taylor and Todd live in Texas, Paul von Mertens lives in Chicago too - but I would say in Paul's case that he's a person that would be VERY difficult to replace. And did Brett move or is he still living in Chicago?

Musically, Mike D'Amico is an astoundingly good drummer and he is more versatile than Jim Hines in that he can also play guitar and bass - he's a very good vocalist as well. But I prefer Bob Lizik to Brett Simons. Not that Brett isn't very good, but I liked some of the more subtle things Bob could do.

It's nice to have Mike back, but I miss Jim and Bob. Both were also really great to the fans.

I guess I just don't get the "economics" of the move. Care to share a bit more with us Andrew?

[Pretty Funky]

I guess this goes on all the time in the music industry or any industry for that matter. We all want a bigger slice of the cake but sometimes the numbers just don't justify it. Brians solo touring career has at best broken even so any movement in costs etc can make a project unviable. I can mention a few years ago a senior member of Brians band did discuss exchange rates and how they can make a foreign tour uneconomic.

I also read a story about Joe Cocker being on the road and his normal piano player got offered more to tour with (I think) David Bowie. Now who wouldn't do the same?

[TdHabib]

I should note that there is a clip on youtube (I don't want to look it up right now) from a very recent Bri concert in Chicago where Jimmy Hines was not only in the audience but both Scott and Jeff signal him out fir a shout out.

[the captain]

I guess this goes on all the time in the music industry or any industry for that matter. We all want a bigger slice of the cake but sometimes the numbers just don't justify it.  ...
I also read a story about Joe Cocker being on the road and his normal piano player got offered more to tour with (I think) David Bowie. Now who wouldn't do the same?

A lot of that is right on. Many fans are too often put themselves in a judgmental position about artists' economic decisions. But let's be honest, it's easy to sit back and say this bandleader shouldn't have done this commercial, should have kept this musician. Or that this musician shouldn't have taken this or that job. And those fans base it on blurry ideas of artistic integrity, which are easy terms to throw around when you're making a solid wage as a whateverthefuckyoudo. But we all need to make a living. If Brian Wilson needs cheaper musicians, or if Of Montreal has to sell a song to Outback Steakhouse, that's just the way it goes.

[STE]

And my understanding is that the reasoning behind this was nothing to do with either personality or musical ability, but rather economic considerations.

That is correct.  However it's not about general costs related to Jim & Bob, e.g. them being more expensive than the new recruits.
It's more about bookings & scheduling policies and timely communication. 

[Amy B.]

At the time this happened, there were some sinister suggestions... "They were fired... I can't say anything more." That kind of thing. It implied that there had been some huge blow-up, and someone had demanded that they be fired, or some kind of scheming going on. If it was economic, I can totally understand, and I wouldn't use the term "fired." "Let go" would be better. I know I've been let go for economic reasons, and I could never blame my employer. It's business. Even if it was some sort of scheduling conflict, that makes sense too. If the musician can't be at X number of gigs, you've got to find someone else, right? And it would mean that the denials that took place at the time on the part of Brian's camp are justified. No, they weren't fired. No hard feelings. Just business.

[JimC1702]

We all hate change and I'm sorry to see "The Tasty Brothers" gone.  But they are probably the most easily replaced members of the band.   Darian, Scott, Jeff, or Nick would be much bigger losses, as would Paul.

I think Mikey's drumming on the Nissan Live Sets is better than Todd's.

Jim

[Amanda Hart]

What I heard was that for the recording of the album members of the band were essentially asked to work for nothing/under the table until the various suits involved could get a handle on the amount of money the project would make and Bob and Jim wern't too keen on this and when other opportunities presented themselves they took them.  I can't really say I blame them.