TLOS DVD

[Wirestone]

I don't remember seeing anything that said the DVD was only going to be a documentary and a video clip of one or two songs.  Am I the only one who was this hornswaggled?

It does say on the back of the CD/DVD package what's in the DVD and how long it is.

Although, yes, it does seem odd the entire thing isn't there. My assumption, like others here, is that we will have an ultra deluxe edition by the holidays.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Riddle me this: Brian's been touring since 1999 - how many full concert DVDs have we had in those nine years ?

Precisely. 

[jeffcdo]

Most bonus DVDs these days are basically video presskits for the album, I don' t see this one as being much different from the usual.

[Beach Bum]

Absolutely correct jeffcdo. I am happy with what I got, although I would have preferred all 5 of the bonus tracks instead. Nevertheless (and four TLOS purchases later), I now have them all. It was a small price to pay and I ain't complaining.

[GoofyJeff]

Riddle me this: Brian's been touring since 1999 - how many full concert DVDs have we had in those nine years ?

Precisely. 

To which I respond, Riddle me this, AGD:  The Beach Boys have been touring since 1962 - how many (legit) full concert DVDs do we have?   

Answer would be zero or one (not sure if "Lost Concert" is complete or not)

And yes, I totally share your sentiment about not having a complete BW Live DVD or 5.   Hell, at this point I'd be satisfied with complete concert CDs (culled from multiple performances if need be) from each of his tours.

As always, managers aren't managing and promoters aren't promoting     

[Pretty Funky]

I think the time has passed for a complete concert to have any interest. ROXY would have had the novelty factor, small venue, celebs and great set-list.

PS Live, BWPS, On Tour, Tribute have maybe saturated the market.

[Wilsonista]

Riddle me this: Brian's been touring since 1999 - how many full concert DVDs have we had in those nine years ?

Precisely. 

Riddle me this AGD:  as much as you've been hard on Brian's capabilities as a performer, would you WANT a complete DVD of a show as inconsistent as he is?

[LostArt]

I don't remember seeing anything that said the DVD was only going to be a documentary and a video clip of one or two songs.  Am I the only one who was this hornswaggled?

It does say on the back of the CD/DVD package what's in the DVD and how long it is.

Although, yes, it does seem odd the entire thing isn't there. My assumption, like others here, is that we will have an ultra deluxe edition by the holidays.

I think you may be right.  As Jeff said, they did film the entire performance multiple times.  Remember when BW's website was enquiring about how many people might be interested in some sort of nationwide theater showing of the piece?  I'm certain that they don't quite know what to do.  Theater?  DVD?  Tour?  I sure would like to see the visuals that were shown at the live performances.       

[mikeyj]

Answer would be zero or one (not sure if "Lost Concert" is complete or not)

Nope, Lost Concert isn't complete as Monster Mash is missing from the set list cause it was too steep to pay for the rights for that particular song.

[GoofyJeff]

This just in from David Beard on the PSML

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Here's the scoop from EMI:

A full length stand-alone DVD of the entire album is planned for
release in January.
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[LostArt]

This just in from David Beard on the PSML

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Here's the scoop from EMI:

A full length stand-alone DVD of the entire album is planned for
release in January.
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Thanks, Jeff.  It's as I figured.  But what the hell?  Why not release it in time for Christmas? 

[b00ts]

PLEASE tell me this will be a 5.1 DVD of the album! If not, I will, of course, settle for a live performance.

[PeteS]

a serious misstep as far as I'm concerned, especially when the band ran thru the whole of TLOS at least FIVE times for the cameras!!!

Then again, releasing the whole thing would make sense, which is precisely why it wasn't released.   

A question for you Jeff, as you obviously have good contacts - how "live" were the Capitol performances? - they sound too perfect to be completely live to me.  Also- do you think the forthcoming DVD mentioned above will be based on these same performances, or something new?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Riddle me this: Brian's been touring since 1999 - how many full concert DVDs have we had in those nine years ?

Precisely. 

Riddle me this AGD:  as much as you've been hard on Brian's capabilities as a performer, would you WANT a complete DVD of a show as inconsistent as he is?

Yes - I'm a fan.

And besides, it'd give me something new to bitch about for a few weeks. 

[GoofyJeff]

A question for you Jeff, as you obviously have good contacts - how "live" were the Capitol performances? - they sound too perfect to be completely live to me.  Also- do you think the forthcoming DVD mentioned above will be based on these same performances, or something new?

All I was told was that they spent the day running thru it five times (I could look back in my archives to find the exact date if not one beats me to it) for the cameras in Studio A.

There may have been post production sweetening done, I don't know.  I'm willing to chalk up the slight out-of-syncness to using video from one of the four performances we aren't hearing.

As for what the January DVD will contain, your guess is as good as mine.  On one hand it would be nice to get the complete Studio A performance, on the other I'm kinda hoping for a specially filmed show a la SMiLE that mimics more closely the concert experience.

[Loaf]

Pardon me for being skeptical, but how many DVD versions will we have to buy to get the whole concert?

Best Buy will sell the musical tracks, iTunes will sell only the VDP-narratives, and the sound will be in 1.0 Mono split across left and right channels, unless you buy 2 versions to play simultaneously to create your own 5.1 stereo mix.

I already paid extra for a TLOS DVD. i don't know if i can be bothered to get the concert unless we get something special beyond the show.

I watched the Pet Sounds live in London DVD recently and was appalled. I didn't remember it being so bad. After track 1, we cut to a clip of Brian running across the front row, slapping hands with fans, then he's back in his seat again for track 2. I was at one of the shows (Tuesday 29th Jan) and you didn't need to be there to know that this CLEARLY didn't happen. Who were they trying to fool? Seriously, who? Who did BriMel think would believe this?

[Pretty Funky]

...and Brian and band spent the whole concert changing clothes too!


Seriously, I don't think it is uncommon. Paul McCartney wasn't at the first show in London of SMiLE. Not that you would know it from the DVD.

[Beach Bum]

Although I was happy to get it, I thought it was rather skimpy. Now, a GREAT DEAL for Brian/BB fans would have been to include all five of the bonus tracks. That would have sold like hotcakes!

[Bean Bag]

Most bonus DVDs these days are basically video presskits for the album, I don' t see this one as being much different from the usual.

Exactly.  A disappointing and quick way for labels to get twice as much for their product.  Just outsource some video presentation company to come in film some stuff -- slap some transitions between scenes - Bam!  Instant profit.

Hey -- the labels got to get creative, I guess...they're taking it in the pants on CD sales I hear.  It seems every major release comes out like this now...and I've caught on.  It used to not be the case.  I remember Beck always did this too, but his deluxe version were TRULY deluxe.  Nice packaging, and a DVD-Audio hi-res, 5.1 audio mix of the album.  That's what I'm talking about.

PLEASE tell me this will be a 5.1 DVD of the album! If not, I will, of course, settle for a live performance.

Amen.

[joe_blow]

...and Brian and band spent the whole concert changing clothes too!


Seriously, I don't think it is uncommon. Paul McCartney wasn't at the first show in London of SMiLE. Not that you would know it from the DVD.

Also on the SMiLE video I believe Van Dyke is dressed differently when seated at the end of the performance from when he is called up on stage.

[jeffcdo]

Aformentioned (hilarious) hand-slapping edit aside, at least the four mentioned DVDs keep the focus on the band and the performance(s).  Compare to the recent few Paul McCartney live DVDs for example and the endless cutaways to singing-along audience members.  I want to see Brian and the band performing the music and all four of the DVDs do a good job of it, really it's not a big deal that they chose the best performance of each song.

[rasmus skotte]

The 'full length stand alone dvd' scheduled for january - would that include any or all of the work by director/animator Rick Farmiloe? As I understand from his interview in the Beach Boys Britain Newsletter, he was ready and eager to expand and improve his video work for TLOS to cover the whole album - and was almost promised that he would be given the chance!?
And wouldn't that be a cool anternate video track on a dvd besides a filmed live performance?

[Rocky]

just wanted to give a "for what it's worth" thought. i honestly never watched the concert all the way through until tonight, i was much more interested by the documentary and bonus features. I was in the camp of people who felt the in studio performance idea was kind of a letdown. however upon a second glance i have to say i notice that Brian seems to be the most happy and at ease i've seen him on a performance DVD. I saw TLOS live and Bri seemed very uncomfortable and tense. I expected that and it didn't really bother me, you just come to expect it, the man just isn't a comfortable performer, but on this DVD he seems 100% at ease and the smiles seem very real. He's just very at home in the studio. its actually a really clever idea, put Brian in the studio and he'll be comfortable and have fun, and it's still "live" so it's cool by me. Def worth a second look to anyone who just skimmed through it like i did.

[Mr. Cohen]

There's a WIRWFC video on Youtube that shows Brian in the studio, I don't know what it's from, but it looks real to me, although I guess it can be staged. He seemed most involved in the harmonies. I believe he had a lot to do with those, anyway, for what it's worth. I wonder how involved he was with the instrumentals? We do know for sure that he is excellent at manipulating the soundboard to allow us to hear more Probyn ("More Probyn!," he shouts), but what else? Did he pick out the instruments? How much, if any, of the arrangements are based off his ideas (I'm speaking for the WIRWFC project)? He's there for guidance, at least, but does he do anything else, besides make a few minor suggestions (like suggesting to use a pick, or to player softer, or whatever)? I doubt we'll ever know.

[Amy B.]

There's a WIRWFC video on Youtube that shows Brian in the studio, I don't know what it's from, but it looks real to me, although I guess it can be staged. He seemed most involved in the harmonies. I believe he had a lot to do with those, anyway, for what it's worth. I wonder how involved he was with the instrumentals? We do know for sure that he is excellent at manipulating the soundboard to allow us to hear more Probyn ("More Probyn!," he shouts), but what else? Did he pick out the instruments? How much, if any, of the arrangements are based off his ideas (I'm speaking for the WIRWFC project)? He's there for guidance, at least, but does he do anything else, besides make a few minor suggestions (like suggesting to use a pick, or to player softer, or whatever)? I doubt we'll ever know.

That WIRWFC video was part of an EPK, wasn't it? I remember someone getting really excited because there's a shot of the sheet Nick is playing from, showing the chords, and it's apparently in Brian's handwriting. I'm not sure it would be realistic to show Brian (or whoever) actually writing the song or doing the arrangement.