Awesome New Mike Love Article!!

[KDS]

Of pertinence to this thread is a quote in an otherwise unrelated article:
"It’s hard to get good counsel, especially for celebrities. 'Musicians get terrible advice. They surround themselves with people who are fans or wannabe musicians who couldn’t make it on the stage so they became accountants or attorneys,' said Jane King, a money manager at Fairfield Financial Advisors, who works with clients in the entertainment industry."
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/02/kanye-west-53-million-dollar-debt-explained
It's similar to the hiring of Landy - celebrities need to be wary of hiring professionals who make a point of working with celebrities.

Emily, that's very true.   Surrounding themselves with the wrong people drove two members of Badfinger to suicide in the 1970s.

In fact, many legacy acts have stayed on the road because they're only in recent years making up for money they lost in their heyday. 

[Cam Mott]

has anyone ever asked Mike why he waited over TWO DECADES to pursue legal action to establish his co-writes?

just seems like if it was so important to him and he felt so cheated and "f*cked with" he would have done something about it sooner.


doesn't it?

Has anyone asked Brian why he waited the same TWO DECADES to pursue legal action?

Just seems like if it was so important to him and he felt so cheated and "f*cked with" he would have done something about it sooner.

[HeyJude]

It's possible evidence of malfeasance or whatever the grounds were that Brian brought for his suit wasn't fully known until years later.

Also, for the *zillionth* time, Brian had spent the previous DECADE under the care of an abusive doctor. I know detractors and Mike sympathizers are essentially tired of that being used as an excuse for Brian. It's unfortunate and Brian almost died, but it pretty much *is* an excuse, or at least an explanation, for a lot of things that did or didn't happen from about 1982 to 1992 or so.

Why didn't Brian sue years earlier? Beyond legal machinations to which we're not privy, he was f**ed up on drugs and booze for some of that time, which overlapped with bouts with mental illness, and then the mental illness overlapped with his overmedicated, abusive care under Landy. Sounds like a pretty good potential explanation for why Brian wasn't holding meeting after meeting with lawyers about the convoluted sale of a publishing catalog decades earlier.

Further, the grounds for Brian's suit were far *less* obvious and far *more* complex than Mike's. Mike's was simple. "I wrote this list of songs and didn't credit or royalties."

[Cam Mott]

It's possible evidence of malfeasance or whatever the grounds were that Brian brought for his suit wasn't fully known until years later.

Also, for the *zillionth* time, Brian had spent the previous DECADE under the care of an abusive doctor. I know detractors and Mike sympathizers are essentially tired of that being used as an excuse for Brian. It's unfortunate and Brian almost died, but it pretty much *is* an excuse, or at least an explanation, for a lot of things that did or didn't happen from about 1982 to 1992 or so.

Why didn't Brian sue years earlier? Beyond legal machinations to which we're not privy, he was f**ed up on drugs and booze for some of that time, which overlapped with bouts with mental illness, and then the mental illness overlapped with his overmedicated, abusive care under Landy. Sounds like a pretty good potential explanation for why Brian wasn't holding meeting after meeting with lawyers about the convoluted sale of a publishing catalog decades earlier.

Further, the grounds for Brian's suit were far *less* obvious and far *more* complex than Mike's. Mike's was simple. "I wrote this list of songs and didn't credit or royalties."

I believe he was under Landy's "care" when the suit was filed and was continuing to suffer from mental illness and it was a point in the case.

http://articles.latimes.com/1989-09-19/entertainment/ca-4315_1_brian-wilson

So that must not have been it.

Both cases were similar and linked.

I bet it was more like neither Brian or Mike thought there was anything to be done about it, especially as they both had signed those papers (under duress) back in 1969.  I'm guessing someone brought the idea or a plan of a suit to Brian, possible some how enabled by or connected to the recording of Brian's solo album.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Why didn't Brian sue years earlier? Beyond legal machinations to which we're not privy, he was f**ed up on drugs and booze for some of that time, which overlapped with bouts with mental illness, and then the mental illness overlapped with his overmedicated, abusive care under Landy.  

But, what about this list:

When I Get Mad I Just Play My Drums
Crack The Whip
Little Red Book
Tones
I Love To Say Dada
Little Pad
Good Time Mama
Fall Breaks And Back To Winter
With Me Tonight
She’s Goin Bald
Whistle In
Gettin Hungry
Wild Honey
Aren’t You Glad
Time To Get Alone
The Letter
Game Of Love
Italia
Cool, Cool, Water
Here Comes The Night
A Thing Or Two
Darlin
Can’t Wait To Long
Lonely Days
Let The Wind Blow
Mama Says
I’d Love Just Once To See You
Country Air
When A Man Needs A Woman
You’re As Cool As Can Be
Be Here In The Morning
Friends
Our Happy Home
Passing By
Busy Doin Nothin
Wake The World
Meant For You
Anna Lee The Healer
Transcendental Meditation
Diamond Head
Walk On By
Old Folks At Home/Old Man River
Do It Again
We’re Together Again
I Went To Sleep
Sail Plane Song
Loop De Loop
Santa’s Got An Airplane
Walkin
I’ll Keep On Loving You
As Tears Go By
Cotton fields
Tonight You Belong To Me
Tonight My Love
When Girls Get Together
All I Wanna Do
Deidre
Break Away
A World Of Peace Must Come (album)
Games Two Can Play
Our Sweet Love
Til I Die
Soulful Old Man Sunshine
Raspberries and Strawberries
At My Window
This Whole World
Add Some Music To Your Day
Where Is She?
Take A Load Of Your Feet
I Just Got My Pay
Good Time
Cows In The Pasture (album)
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way
My Solution
Lady Love
A Day In The Life Of A Tree
Silly Walls
Awake
Now That Everything’s Been Said
Beatrice From Baltimore
You Need A Mess Of Help
He Come Down
Marcella
Spark In The Dark
Funky Pretty
Mount Vernon And Fairway
Is Jack Reilly Really Superman
Burlesque
Sweet Mountain
Tennesse Waltz
Slip On Through
Mama Said
Superstar
Everybody
Starlight, Star Bright
Forever
Down Home
Baby I Need Your Lovin/Gimme Some Lovin (medley)
Sail on Sailor
Mike Come Back To LA
Some of Your Love
Snowflakes
Shyin Away
Fallin in Love
Had To Phone Ya
Shortenin Bread
Patty cake
Just An Imitation
Clangin
Ding Dang
Battle Hymn of the Republic
California Feelin
Child of Winter/Here Comes Santa Claus
Good TImin
It’s OK
You’re Riding High On The Music
Lucy Jones
Honeycomb
Come Go With Me
Winter Symphony
Running Bear
He So Fine
Let’s Dance
Secret Love
Peggy Sue
Blueberry Hill
Palisades Park
Honkin Down The Highway
Chapel Of Love
Talk To Me/Tallahassee Lassie
On Broadway
In The Still Of The Night
Mony Mony
Rock and Roll Music
Just Once In My Life
A Casual Look
TM Song
Everyone’s In Love With You
That Same Song
Michael Row The Boat Ashore
Shake Rattle And Roll
I’m Begging You Please
Let’s Put Our Hearts Together
Airplane
I’ll Be He’s Nice
Love Is A Woman
Mona
Still I Dream Of It
It’s Over Now
They’re Marching Along
Little Children
Marylin Rovell
That Special Feeling
Let Us Go On This Way
Johnny Carson
The Night Was So Young
I Wanna Pick You Up
Hey Little Tomboy
Lazy Lizzy
Sea Cruise
Solar System
Roller Skating Child
Hey There Mama
I Saw Santa Rockin
We Gotta Groove
You’ve Lost That Lovin Feelin
My Diane
The Boogie’s Back In Town
Cruise To Harlem
Life Is For The Living
Deep Purple
Lines
Everybody Wants To Live
It’s Trying To Say
Wontcha Come Out Tonight
She’s Got Rhythm
Sweet Sunday Kinda Love
Belles Of Paris
Pitter Patter
Matchpoint Of Our Love
Our Team
Don’t Be Cruel
Christmas Day
How About A Little Bit Of Your Lovin
How’s About A Little Bit
It’s Like Heaven
Almost Summer
Do Ya?
She’s Just Out To Get Ya
Basketball Rock
Bowling
Santa Ana Winds
Boys and Girls
Sunshine
Oh Darlin
Goin On
Goin To The Beach
Night Bloomin Jasmine
There’s So Many
Be My Baby
River Deep, Mountain High
Greenback Dollar
Why Don’t They Let Us Fall In Love?
Bucks
Children Of The Night
I’m A Man
Stevie
Sweetie
Love Ya
I Feel So Fine
Oh Lord
Yeah!
You’ve Been Good To Me
City Blues
Black Widow
Let’s Do It Again
In The Nighttime
The First Time
Crack At Your Love
California Calling
I’m So Lonely
It’s Just A Matter Of Time
Male Ego
The Lost Song
I’ve Been Through This One Before
Walking On Water
What’s Wrong With Starting Now?
Wondering What You’re Up To Now
You
A Bad Time Soon Forgotten
Water Builds Up
I’m Broke
Don’t Let Her Know She’s An Angel
Walkin The Line
Miller Time
After The Storm
A Little Love
All Over Me
California
Christmastime
Heavenly Bodies
I’m Tired
It’s Getting Rough
Labor Of Love
Magic
Magnetic Attraction
Pair Of Troops
Turning Point (a.k.a. So Long)
Just Say No
Brian/Thank You
The Spirit Of Rock And Roll
The Tiger’s Eye
Christine
Living Doll (a.k.a. Barbie)
Let’s Go To Heaven In My Car
Carl And Gina
Melt Away
Love and Mercy
Nighttime
Heavenly Lovers
Hotter
Magic Lanterns
Too Much Sugar
Rio Grande
Saturday Evening In The City
Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long
One For The Boys
Let It Shine
Meet Me In My Dreams Tonight
He Couldn’t Poor Old Body To Move
Doin Time On Planet Earth
Being With The One You Love
Goodnight Irene
In My Car
Country Feelins
Daddy’s Little Girl
Metal Beach
I Sleep Alone
Concert Tonight
I Do (a.k.a. Do You Have Any Regrets)
Let’s Stick (Get) Together
The Waltz
Smart Girls
Someone To Love
Rings
Make A Wish
Rainbow Eyes
Is There A Chance
Save The Day
Fantasy Is Reality/Bells of Madness
Sweets For My Sweet
This Could Be The Night
In My Moondreams
This Song Wants To Sleep With You
Gettin In Over My Head
Desert Drive
Soul Searchin
Chain Reaction Of Love
Dancin The Night Away
Elbow ’63
Everything’s Alright With The World
Frankie Avalon
God Did It
Goin Home
In The Wink Of An Eye
It’s Not Easy Being Me
Mary Anne
Marketplace
Must Be A Miracle
Slightly American Music
Some Sweet Day
Turn On Your Love Lights
What Rock And Roll Can Do
You’re Still A Mystery
Proud Mary
I Can Hear Music
Melinda, Honey
Our Babies Have Grown Up On Us
Right Before Your Eyes
Rock And Roll Express
Everything I Need
Miracle
This Isn’t Love
Your Imagination
South American
Where Has Love Been
Dream Angel
Cry
Lay Down Burden
Sunshine
Happy Days
Joy To The World
We’re Still Dancing
On Christmas Day
Silent Night

That was the list which was posted a few pages back to show how often Brian WASN'T f**ed up, how much he was actually ... productive.

Then YOU followed that post/list with "From late 1976 through some time in 1982, I'd say Brian was a pretty "regular" touring band member. He missed some shows, increasingly so in 1981 and especially 1982. But I think one could call him a regular during those five or six years. I don't think he missed that many shows from 1977 to 1980 in particular.

And certainly, with the exception of "Summer in Paradise", had some level of involvement in every studio album they recorded during this weirdly wide "1967-2002" time frame. Especially weird is that they choose 2002 as the cut-off for this supposedly inactive time frame. This ignores numerous solo albums and several solo tours."

So, which is it, Hey Jude? It appears that YOU are the one who is playing the drug/alcohol/mental illness card to suit YOUR case. In your response to Cam's question, it appears that Brian is back to being fu**ed up, mentally ill, and a drug addict. Can you give us a hint what condition you'll consider Brian in a few pages from now? How fu**ed up and how much of a drug addict and how mentally ill will he be? I guess we'll have to wait and see what points are being made before you decide.

[Emily]

My guess is it was Landy's idea to bring the suit.

[CenturyDeprived]

Why didn't Brian sue years earlier? Beyond legal machinations to which we're not privy, he was f**ed up on drugs and booze for some of that time, which overlapped with bouts with mental illness, and then the mental illness overlapped with his overmedicated, abusive care under Landy.  

But, what about this list:

When I Get Mad I Just Play My Drums
Crack The Whip
Little Red Book
Tones
I Love To Say Dada
Little Pad
Good Time Mama
Fall Breaks And Back To Winter
With Me Tonight
She’s Goin Bald
Whistle In
Gettin Hungry
Wild Honey
Aren’t You Glad
Time To Get Alone
The Letter
Game Of Love
Italia
Cool, Cool, Water
Here Comes The Night
A Thing Or Two
Darlin
Can’t Wait To Long
Lonely Days
Let The Wind Blow
Mama Says
I’d Love Just Once To See You
Country Air
When A Man Needs A Woman
You’re As Cool As Can Be
Be Here In The Morning
Friends
Our Happy Home
Passing By
Busy Doin Nothin
Wake The World
Meant For You
Anna Lee The Healer
Transcendental Meditation
Diamond Head
Walk On By
Old Folks At Home/Old Man River
Do It Again
We’re Together Again
I Went To Sleep
Sail Plane Song
Loop De Loop
Santa’s Got An Airplane
Walkin
I’ll Keep On Loving You
As Tears Go By
Cotton fields
Tonight You Belong To Me
Tonight My Love
When Girls Get Together
All I Wanna Do
Deidre
Break Away
A World Of Peace Must Come (album)
Games Two Can Play
Our Sweet Love
Til I Die
Soulful Old Man Sunshine
Raspberries and Strawberries
At My Window
This Whole World
Add Some Music To Your Day
Where Is She?
Take A Load Of Your Feet
I Just Got My Pay
Good Time
Cows In The Pasture (album)
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way
My Solution
Lady Love
A Day In The Life Of A Tree
Silly Walls
Awake
Now That Everything’s Been Said
Beatrice From Baltimore
You Need A Mess Of Help
He Come Down
Marcella
Spark In The Dark
Funky Pretty
Mount Vernon And Fairway
Is Jack Reilly Really Superman
Burlesque
Sweet Mountain
Tennesse Waltz
Slip On Through
Mama Said
Superstar
Everybody
Starlight, Star Bright
Forever
Down Home
Baby I Need Your Lovin/Gimme Some Lovin (medley)
Sail on Sailor
Mike Come Back To LA
Some of Your Love
Snowflakes
Shyin Away
Fallin in Love
Had To Phone Ya
Shortenin Bread
Patty cake
Just An Imitation
Clangin
Ding Dang
Battle Hymn of the Republic
California Feelin
Child of Winter/Here Comes Santa Claus
Good TImin
It’s OK
You’re Riding High On The Music
Lucy Jones
Honeycomb
Come Go With Me
Winter Symphony
Running Bear
He So Fine
Let’s Dance
Secret Love
Peggy Sue
Blueberry Hill
Palisades Park
Honkin Down The Highway
Chapel Of Love
Talk To Me/Tallahassee Lassie
On Broadway
In The Still Of The Night
Mony Mony
Rock and Roll Music
Just Once In My Life
A Casual Look
TM Song
Everyone’s In Love With You
That Same Song
Michael Row The Boat Ashore
Shake Rattle And Roll
I’m Begging You Please
Let’s Put Our Hearts Together
Airplane
I’ll Be He’s Nice
Love Is A Woman
Mona
Still I Dream Of It
It’s Over Now
They’re Marching Along
Little Children
Marylin Rovell
That Special Feeling
Let Us Go On This Way
Johnny Carson
The Night Was So Young
I Wanna Pick You Up
Hey Little Tomboy
Lazy Lizzy
Sea Cruise
Solar System
Roller Skating Child
Hey There Mama
I Saw Santa Rockin
We Gotta Groove
You’ve Lost That Lovin Feelin
My Diane
The Boogie’s Back In Town
Cruise To Harlem
Life Is For The Living
Deep Purple
Lines
Everybody Wants To Live
It’s Trying To Say
Wontcha Come Out Tonight
She’s Got Rhythm
Sweet Sunday Kinda Love
Belles Of Paris
Pitter Patter
Matchpoint Of Our Love
Our Team
Don’t Be Cruel
Christmas Day
How About A Little Bit Of Your Lovin
How’s About A Little Bit
It’s Like Heaven
Almost Summer
Do Ya?
She’s Just Out To Get Ya
Basketball Rock
Bowling
Santa Ana Winds
Boys and Girls
Sunshine
Oh Darlin
Goin On
Goin To The Beach
Night Bloomin Jasmine
There’s So Many
Be My Baby
River Deep, Mountain High
Greenback Dollar
Why Don’t They Let Us Fall In Love?
Bucks
Children Of The Night
I’m A Man
Stevie
Sweetie
Love Ya
I Feel So Fine
Oh Lord
Yeah!
You’ve Been Good To Me
City Blues
Black Widow
Let’s Do It Again
In The Nighttime
The First Time
Crack At Your Love
California Calling
I’m So Lonely
It’s Just A Matter Of Time
Male Ego
The Lost Song
I’ve Been Through This One Before
Walking On Water
What’s Wrong With Starting Now?
Wondering What You’re Up To Now
You
A Bad Time Soon Forgotten
Water Builds Up
I’m Broke
Don’t Let Her Know She’s An Angel
Walkin The Line
Miller Time
After The Storm
A Little Love
All Over Me
California
Christmastime
Heavenly Bodies
I’m Tired
It’s Getting Rough
Labor Of Love
Magic
Magnetic Attraction
Pair Of Troops
Turning Point (a.k.a. So Long)
Just Say No
Brian/Thank You
The Spirit Of Rock And Roll
The Tiger’s Eye
Christine
Living Doll (a.k.a. Barbie)
Let’s Go To Heaven In My Car
Carl And Gina
Melt Away
Love and Mercy
Nighttime
Heavenly Lovers
Hotter
Magic Lanterns
Too Much Sugar
Rio Grande
Saturday Evening In The City
Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long
One For The Boys
Let It Shine
Meet Me In My Dreams Tonight
He Couldn’t Poor Old Body To Move
Doin Time On Planet Earth
Being With The One You Love
Goodnight Irene
In My Car
Country Feelins
Daddy’s Little Girl
Metal Beach
I Sleep Alone
Concert Tonight
I Do (a.k.a. Do You Have Any Regrets)
Let’s Stick (Get) Together
The Waltz
Smart Girls
Someone To Love
Rings
Make A Wish
Rainbow Eyes
Is There A Chance
Save The Day
Fantasy Is Reality/Bells of Madness
Sweets For My Sweet
This Could Be The Night
In My Moondreams
This Song Wants To Sleep With You
Gettin In Over My Head
Desert Drive
Soul Searchin
Chain Reaction Of Love
Dancin The Night Away
Elbow ’63
Everything’s Alright With The World
Frankie Avalon
God Did It
Goin Home
In The Wink Of An Eye
It’s Not Easy Being Me
Mary Anne
Marketplace
Must Be A Miracle
Slightly American Music
Some Sweet Day
Turn On Your Love Lights
What Rock And Roll Can Do
You’re Still A Mystery
Proud Mary
I Can Hear Music
Melinda, Honey
Our Babies Have Grown Up On Us
Right Before Your Eyes
Rock And Roll Express
Everything I Need
Miracle
This Isn’t Love
Your Imagination
South American
Where Has Love Been
Dream Angel
Cry
Lay Down Burden
Sunshine
Happy Days
Joy To The World
We’re Still Dancing
On Christmas Day
Silent Night

That was the list which was posted a few pages back to show how often Brian WASN'T f**ed up, how much he was actually ... productive.

Then YOU followed that post/list with "From late 1976 through some time in 1982, I'd say Brian was a pretty "regular" touring band member. He missed some shows, increasingly so in 1981 and especially 1982. But I think one could call him a regular during those five or six years. I don't think he missed that many shows from 1977 to 1980 in particular.

And certainly, with the exception of "Summer in Paradise", had some level of involvement in every studio album they recorded during this weirdly wide "1967-2002" time frame. Especially weird is that they choose 2002 as the cut-off for this supposedly inactive time frame. This ignores numerous solo albums and several solo tours."

So, which is it, Hey Jude? It appears that YOU are the one who is playing the drug/alcohol/mental illness card to suit YOUR case. In your response to Cam's question, it appears that Brian is back to being mentally ill and a drug addict. Can you give us a hint what condition you'll consider Brian in a few pages from now? How much of a drug addict and mentally ill person will he be? I guess we'll have to wait and see what points are being made before you decide.

Are you seriously equating Brian's ability to write songs with what would've been a very emotionally-draining, prolonged, and super prickly activity?  They are not the same, and you know it... and it took a hell of a lot of coaching and whip – cracking to get the songs to come out, for the most part.  

And it's not as though this was magically the only very difficult, emotionally-draining activity that Brian avoided. He avoids very tough stuff when he can because he very often doesn't have the emotional capacity to deal with it. His cousin appears to have that trait in common about some other important stuff too.

Mental illness card. Wow.

[Cam Mott]

My guess is it was Landy's idea to bring the suit.

Wouldn't doubt it but wonder why not earlier?

[Emily]

My guess is it was Landy's idea to bring the suit.

Wouldn't doubt it but wonder why not earlier?

you mean why didn't Landy prompt it earlier or why didn' Brian sue earlier?
If the former, I guess it took time for Landy to learn that there was an opening for more money; he had to get his name all over all sorts of documents so he could probably get a cut of it; he had to insinuate himself into all the nooks and crannies of Brian's life before he could maneuver such a bold action.
If the latter, he probably was being his usual passive self on that sort of matter.

[KDS]

How many Beach Boys fans does it take to change a light bulb?

Two.

One to change the light bulb.

One to blame Mike Love for the old light bulb burning out. 

 

[Cam Mott]

My guess is it was Landy's idea to bring the suit.

Wouldn't doubt it but wonder why not earlier?

you mean why didn't Landy prompt it earlier or why didn' Brian sue earlier?
If the former, I guess it took time for Landy to learn that there was an opening for more money; he had to get his name all over all sorts of documents so he could probably get a cut of it; he had to insinuate himself into all the nooks and crannies of Brian's life before he could maneuver such a bold action.
If the latter, he probably was being his usual passive self on that sort of matter.

I don't remember hearing of Landy's name being on anything involving or resulting from this suit.  Unless I just forgot.

[Emily]

My guess is it was Landy's idea to bring the suit.

Wouldn't doubt it but wonder why not earlier?

you mean why didn't Landy prompt it earlier or why didn' Brian sue earlier?
If the former, I guess it took time for Landy to learn that there was an opening for more money; he had to get his name all over all sorts of documents so he could probably get a cut of it; he had to insinuate himself into all the nooks and crannies of Brian's life before he could maneuver such a bold action.
If the latter, he probably was being his usual passive self on that sort of matter.

I don't remember hearing of Landy's name being on anything involving or resulting from this suit.  Unless I just forgot.

I'm just babbling really. I mean that it seems that it took a while for Landy to get really involved in Brian's business affairs and to become his "partner" in those ways. I don't think that really got going until mid-eighties. He may not have known a lot of details about the SOT ownership and what had happened for long before that. ANd by "documents" I didn't necessarily mean anything directly pertaining to the suit, but the will and other 'partnership' documents that gave him a material interest in BW's finances.

[HeyJude]

Why didn't Brian sue years earlier? Beyond legal machinations to which we're not privy, he was f**ed up on drugs and booze for some of that time, which overlapped with bouts with mental illness, and then the mental illness overlapped with his overmedicated, abusive care under Landy.  

But, what about this list:

When I Get Mad I Just Play My Drums
Crack The Whip
Little Red Book
Tones
I Love To Say Dada
Little Pad
Good Time Mama
Fall Breaks And Back To Winter
With Me Tonight
She’s Goin Bald
Whistle In
Gettin Hungry
Wild Honey
Aren’t You Glad
Time To Get Alone
The Letter
Game Of Love
Italia
Cool, Cool, Water
Here Comes The Night
A Thing Or Two
Darlin
Can’t Wait To Long
Lonely Days
Let The Wind Blow
Mama Says
I’d Love Just Once To See You
Country Air
When A Man Needs A Woman
You’re As Cool As Can Be
Be Here In The Morning
Friends
Our Happy Home
Passing By
Busy Doin Nothin
Wake The World
Meant For You
Anna Lee The Healer
Transcendental Meditation
Diamond Head
Walk On By
Old Folks At Home/Old Man River
Do It Again
We’re Together Again
I Went To Sleep
Sail Plane Song
Loop De Loop
Santa’s Got An Airplane
Walkin
I’ll Keep On Loving You
As Tears Go By
Cotton fields
Tonight You Belong To Me
Tonight My Love
When Girls Get Together
All I Wanna Do
Deidre
Break Away
A World Of Peace Must Come (album)
Games Two Can Play
Our Sweet Love
Til I Die
Soulful Old Man Sunshine
Raspberries and Strawberries
At My Window
This Whole World
Add Some Music To Your Day
Where Is She?
Take A Load Of Your Feet
I Just Got My Pay
Good Time
Cows In The Pasture (album)
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way
My Solution
Lady Love
A Day In The Life Of A Tree
Silly Walls
Awake
Now That Everything’s Been Said
Beatrice From Baltimore
You Need A Mess Of Help
He Come Down
Marcella
Spark In The Dark
Funky Pretty
Mount Vernon And Fairway
Is Jack Reilly Really Superman
Burlesque
Sweet Mountain
Tennesse Waltz
Slip On Through
Mama Said
Superstar
Everybody
Starlight, Star Bright
Forever
Down Home
Baby I Need Your Lovin/Gimme Some Lovin (medley)
Sail on Sailor
Mike Come Back To LA
Some of Your Love
Snowflakes
Shyin Away
Fallin in Love
Had To Phone Ya
Shortenin Bread
Patty cake
Just An Imitation
Clangin
Ding Dang
Battle Hymn of the Republic
California Feelin
Child of Winter/Here Comes Santa Claus
Good TImin
It’s OK
You’re Riding High On The Music
Lucy Jones
Honeycomb
Come Go With Me
Winter Symphony
Running Bear
He So Fine
Let’s Dance
Secret Love
Peggy Sue
Blueberry Hill
Palisades Park
Honkin Down The Highway
Chapel Of Love
Talk To Me/Tallahassee Lassie
On Broadway
In The Still Of The Night
Mony Mony
Rock and Roll Music
Just Once In My Life
A Casual Look
TM Song
Everyone’s In Love With You
That Same Song
Michael Row The Boat Ashore
Shake Rattle And Roll
I’m Begging You Please
Let’s Put Our Hearts Together
Airplane
I’ll Be He’s Nice
Love Is A Woman
Mona
Still I Dream Of It
It’s Over Now
They’re Marching Along
Little Children
Marylin Rovell
That Special Feeling
Let Us Go On This Way
Johnny Carson
The Night Was So Young
I Wanna Pick You Up
Hey Little Tomboy
Lazy Lizzy
Sea Cruise
Solar System
Roller Skating Child
Hey There Mama
I Saw Santa Rockin
We Gotta Groove
You’ve Lost That Lovin Feelin
My Diane
The Boogie’s Back In Town
Cruise To Harlem
Life Is For The Living
Deep Purple
Lines
Everybody Wants To Live
It’s Trying To Say
Wontcha Come Out Tonight
She’s Got Rhythm
Sweet Sunday Kinda Love
Belles Of Paris
Pitter Patter
Matchpoint Of Our Love
Our Team
Don’t Be Cruel
Christmas Day
How About A Little Bit Of Your Lovin
How’s About A Little Bit
It’s Like Heaven
Almost Summer
Do Ya?
She’s Just Out To Get Ya
Basketball Rock
Bowling
Santa Ana Winds
Boys and Girls
Sunshine
Oh Darlin
Goin On
Goin To The Beach
Night Bloomin Jasmine
There’s So Many
Be My Baby
River Deep, Mountain High
Greenback Dollar
Why Don’t They Let Us Fall In Love?
Bucks
Children Of The Night
I’m A Man
Stevie
Sweetie
Love Ya
I Feel So Fine
Oh Lord
Yeah!
You’ve Been Good To Me
City Blues
Black Widow
Let’s Do It Again
In The Nighttime
The First Time
Crack At Your Love
California Calling
I’m So Lonely
It’s Just A Matter Of Time
Male Ego
The Lost Song
I’ve Been Through This One Before
Walking On Water
What’s Wrong With Starting Now?
Wondering What You’re Up To Now
You
A Bad Time Soon Forgotten
Water Builds Up
I’m Broke
Don’t Let Her Know She’s An Angel
Walkin The Line
Miller Time
After The Storm
A Little Love
All Over Me
California
Christmastime
Heavenly Bodies
I’m Tired
It’s Getting Rough
Labor Of Love
Magic
Magnetic Attraction
Pair Of Troops
Turning Point (a.k.a. So Long)
Just Say No
Brian/Thank You
The Spirit Of Rock And Roll
The Tiger’s Eye
Christine
Living Doll (a.k.a. Barbie)
Let’s Go To Heaven In My Car
Carl And Gina
Melt Away
Love and Mercy
Nighttime
Heavenly Lovers
Hotter
Magic Lanterns
Too Much Sugar
Rio Grande
Saturday Evening In The City
Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long
One For The Boys
Let It Shine
Meet Me In My Dreams Tonight
He Couldn’t Poor Old Body To Move
Doin Time On Planet Earth
Being With The One You Love
Goodnight Irene
In My Car
Country Feelins
Daddy’s Little Girl
Metal Beach
I Sleep Alone
Concert Tonight
I Do (a.k.a. Do You Have Any Regrets)
Let’s Stick (Get) Together
The Waltz
Smart Girls
Someone To Love
Rings
Make A Wish
Rainbow Eyes
Is There A Chance
Save The Day
Fantasy Is Reality/Bells of Madness
Sweets For My Sweet
This Could Be The Night
In My Moondreams
This Song Wants To Sleep With You
Gettin In Over My Head
Desert Drive
Soul Searchin
Chain Reaction Of Love
Dancin The Night Away
Elbow ’63
Everything’s Alright With The World
Frankie Avalon
God Did It
Goin Home
In The Wink Of An Eye
It’s Not Easy Being Me
Mary Anne
Marketplace
Must Be A Miracle
Slightly American Music
Some Sweet Day
Turn On Your Love Lights
What Rock And Roll Can Do
You’re Still A Mystery
Proud Mary
I Can Hear Music
Melinda, Honey
Our Babies Have Grown Up On Us
Right Before Your Eyes
Rock And Roll Express
Everything I Need
Miracle
This Isn’t Love
Your Imagination
South American
Where Has Love Been
Dream Angel
Cry
Lay Down Burden
Sunshine
Happy Days
Joy To The World
We’re Still Dancing
On Christmas Day
Silent Night

That was the list which was posted a few pages back to show how often Brian WASN'T f**ed up, how much he was actually ... productive.

Then YOU followed that post/list with "From late 1976 through some time in 1982, I'd say Brian was a pretty "regular" touring band member. He missed some shows, increasingly so in 1981 and especially 1982. But I think one could call him a regular during those five or six years. I don't think he missed that many shows from 1977 to 1980 in particular.

And certainly, with the exception of "Summer in Paradise", had some level of involvement in every studio album they recorded during this weirdly wide "1967-2002" time frame. Especially weird is that they choose 2002 as the cut-off for this supposedly inactive time frame. This ignores numerous solo albums and several solo tours."

So, which is it, Hey Jude? It appears that YOU are the one who is playing the drug/alcohol/mental illness card to suit YOUR case. In your response to Cam's question, it appears that Brian is back to being fu**ed up, mentally ill, and a drug addict. Can you give us a hint what condition you'll consider Brian in a few pages from now? How fu**ed up and how much of a drug addict and how mentally ill will he be? I guess we'll have to wait and see what points are being made before you decide.

Sorry to be lazy, but what Century Deprived said. You're equating writing songs and joining the touring band with *spearheading* a lawsuit regarding the sale of a publishing catalog.

It's well established Brian wrote and performed during dark days. It's also well established Brian doesn't mastermind lawsuits even during most of his best days.

That song list was not proof Brian wasn't f-ed p sometimes. It was a response to Mike's lawsuit's contention that Brian was inactive for 35 YEARS to the point of doing NOTHING but collecting royalty checks.

[Bill30022]

The Brian Wilson depicted in the suit matches the Brian Wilson as depicted in "The Beach Boys: An American Family".

[Angua]

When Brian decided to sue is important why?

When Mike decided to sue is important because it is likely that he had been aware that he was being fiddled out of his royalties for years but only sued Brian not Murray.  Brian obviously had some problem suing a relative.  Mike obviously did not.

[Debbie KL]

The Brian Wilson depicted in the suit matches the Brian Wilson as depicted in "The Beach Boys: An American Family".

Gee, what a coincidence.

[Cam Mott]

When Brian decided to sue is important why?

When Mike decided to sue is important because it is likely that he had been aware that he was being fiddled out of his royalties for years but only sued Brian not Murray.  Brian obviously had some problem suing a relative.  Mike obviously did not.

Brian sued Irving Music, which could have been done in 1969 when they owned the publishing instead of Murry.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-13/business/fi-8511_1_beach-boys-lead-singer

Mike sued Brian because Brian had gotten the publishing (or whatever) back from Irving.  Brian's lawyers had offered Mike a settlement for his help in Brian's suit against Irving but didn't keep the agreement after they won so Mike had to sue Brian to get his promised credit and compensation.

[filledeplage]

When Brian decided to sue is important why?

When Mike decided to sue is important because it is likely that he had been aware that he was being fiddled out of his royalties for years but only sued Brian not Murray.  Brian obviously had some problem suing a relative.  Mike obviously did not.

Brian sued Irving Music, which could have been done in 1969 when they owned the publishing instead of Murry.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-13/business/fi-8511_1_beach-boys-lead-singer

Mike sued Brian because Brian had gotten the publishing (or whatever) back from Irving.  Brian's lawyers had offered Mike a settlement for his help in Brian's suit against Irving but didn't keep the agreement after they won so Mike had to sue Brian to get his promised credit and compensation.

Cam - I think that is correct. It looks like the lawyers breached the agreement.

[Emily]

When Brian decided to sue is important why?

When Mike decided to sue is important because it is likely that he had been aware that he was being fiddled out of his royalties for years but only sued Brian not Murray.  Brian obviously had some problem suing a relative.  Mike obviously did not.

Brian sued Irving Music, which could have been done in 1969 when they owned the publishing instead of Murry.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-13/business/fi-8511_1_beach-boys-lead-singer

Mike sued Brian because Brian had gotten the publishing (or whatever) back from Irving.  Brian's lawyers had offered Mike a settlement for his help in Brian's suit against Irving but didn't keep the agreement after they won so Mike had to sue Brian to get his promised credit and compensation.

'Tis true, it seems.

[CenturyDeprived]

The Brian Wilson depicted in the suit matches the Brian Wilson as depicted in "The Beach Boys: An American Family".

Gee, what a coincidence.

Yep. I'd sure love an explanation for how this icky coincidence was surely not in any way influenced by the Lovester in *either* instance. Am I to believe Mike would have been outraged to see Brian portrayed in such a manner in both the film and the suit? Mike signs off on nothing, right?

[Ang Jones]

However badly lawyers behaved, it is IMO unarguable that the wording of that 2005 lawsuit shows MIKE in a very bad light. The attempts to shift blame anywhere but on Mike are pathetic. This was done in his name - either he is responsible or else he behaved very foolishly in not stopping it going forward.

[Cam Mott]

The Brian Wilson depicted in the suit matches the Brian Wilson as depicted in "The Beach Boys: An American Family".

Gee, what a coincidence.

Yep. I'd sure love an explanation for how this icky coincidence was surely not in any way influenced by the Lovester in *either* instance. Am I to believe Mike would have been outraged to see Brian portrayed in such a manner in both the film and the suit? Mike signs off on nothing, right?

You should ask Director, Jeff Bleckner and/or Writer, Kirk Ellis.

[guitarfool2002]

This passage in the 2005 suit is troublesome:

But beginning in 1965, drugs began to destroy Brian Wilson. By 1967, Brian lived either in his bed or in his sand-box in his Beverly Hills mansion. While Mike Love and The Beach Boys were touring without him, Brian was surrounded by drug addicts, drug dealers, parasites, and plagiarizers. In 1967, while Brian was living in an environment of drugs and physical and mental illness, Brian and The Beach Boys created the “Smile” album pursuant to their contract with Capitol Records, and paid for by Capitol. Brian also consulted some of the hangers-on that surrounded him at the time.

Not only is it historically false, but what bothers me is the portrayal of how Smile was created.

Reading this from 2005, it is almost the same portrayal as Smile received in that 2000 movie biography of the band, as someone pointed out. In both cases a false if not slanderous portrayal of not just the process of making the album but also of specific people involved was put out to the public as the truth, and it is not.

This line especially: "Brian was surrounded by drug addicts, drug dealers, parasites, and plagiarizers." followed by this: "Brian also consulted some of the hangers-on that surrounded him at the time."

We know who was involved and who was there during Smile.

So who exactly was the lawsuit referring to? Does anyone know how such info on what happened was passed on to be included as it was both in the film and in the lawsuit? A fact also not lost on my memory is how many times a few fans posting on this forum and others have used similar language to describe various participants, but sometimes substituting the word "leeches" for "parasites", but still grinding the same axe.

So...knowing what we know, hearing and seeing what we have seen and heard especially from the actual session tapes where the music was created, this is not only a false portrayal but not even factual, and in a few cases borders on slanderous toward specific individuals.

Yet it is what a biography film, a legal document, and in future years various fans posting on fan forums have tried to portray as fact. That's troubling. I'd like to know where such info came from.

[Cam Mott]

Phillip Stillman, or one his associates, got it from Kirk Ellis' 2000 screenplay?

[Lee Marshall]

Likely not Cam.  More likely they had an 'inside source' who they believed was serving them fact on a platter.  I think I know who the "parasites, and plagiarizers" and " some of the hangers-on that surrounded him at the time" might be.  They obviously tour in a different band than Brian's.