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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2015, 06:16:29 PM »

Dennis plays drums on, l think, "Mona", and maybe "Honking" too.


I Wanna Pick You Up too, I believe.

All correct. Also, "The Night Was So Young".
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« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2015, 01:21:20 AM »

I think the liner notes of the 15 Big Ones/Love You "twofer" suggest that Brian played drums on "Honkin'", if I remember correctly. Would that have been an error, then?
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« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2015, 02:29:27 AM »

There's a track by track rundown of the album in one of David Leaf's Pet Sounds 'zines that includes partial musician details.
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« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2015, 05:55:07 AM »

I think the liner notes of the 15 Big Ones/Love You "twofer" suggest that Brian played drums on "Honkin'", if I remember correctly. Would that have been an error, then?

I don't recall that being the case, but if so, yes it's an error. The rough mix with Billy Hinsche's lead vocal also includes Dennis' count-in from behind the drum kit. There's actually a pretty noticeable difference between Brian's drumming style on the album and Dennis'. Both are forceful, but Dennis' is more "masculine" for lack of a better word. Compare the drumming technique in the intro to "Honkin", as well as "Mona" and "I Wanna Pick You Up", to that on "Let Us Go On This Way", "Johnny Carson", and "Airplane", for instance, and you'll see what I mean. For one thing, Dennis often hits the floor tom in conjunction with the snare, as "real" drummers sometimes do, whereas Brian uses the floor tom sparingly for an occasional hit. You can also hear the open floor tom mic on the songs where Dennis drums, even when he's not hitting it, which suggests a different mic'ing technique on the "Dennis-drummed" songs, compared to the "Brian-drummed" songs. As for "The Night Was So Young", I long suspected that was Dennis, mainly because of the way the hi-hat is played but didn't know for sure, until I was able to hear the session tape a couple of years ago in preparation for the upcoming "MIC" sessionography series. The hi-hat playing on that song is more in line with what we'd expect from a "real" drummer, opposed to the way Brian plays drums on this album. Yes, others have witnessed very solid drumming from Brian in past years, but for whatever reason, his drumming on Love You is goofy, idiosyncratic, and endearing, but not what I would call "professional". It seems more like "demo" drumming, whereas Dennis' performances are "master"-style.
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« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2015, 06:35:57 AM »

Dennis Diken's liners only say "Like a lot of songs on this album, it sounds like Brian played all the instruments, including the rudimentary drums."
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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2015, 10:12:20 AM »

As far as I'm aware, all of the drums on Love You are real, not programmed. They're so Brian, too. Listen to Love You and then hear Brian play the opening drums from Be My Baby in Endless Harmony. You can hear it in how he clubs the instruments. For a guy who was never a drummer beyond the necessity to get some drums on a recording or fill in in the early days so Dennis could sing, Brian could hold his own on drums.

Other than this album, how many released songs have Brian (and Brian only) performing drums on them?

Umm... "Surfin'".
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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2015, 11:03:17 AM »

So let's break it down, then. Let's set out the official drum / percussion credits for Love You.

"Let Us Go On This Way" -- Brian
"Roller Skating Child" -- Brian
"Mona" -- Dennis
"Johnny Carson" -- Brian
"Good Time" -- Dennis Dennis Dragon
"Honkin' Down the Highway" -- Dennis
"Ding Dang" -- ?? Ricky Fataar?
"Solar System" -- Brian
"The Night Was So Young" -- Dennis
"I'll Bet He's Nice" -- Brian
"Let's Put Our Hearts Together" -- Brian
"I Wanna Pick You Up" -- Dennis
"Airplane" -- Brian (main song) and ?? (tag)
"Love Is a Woman" -- Brian

Does this look right? And what about the question marks?

Once you look at it this way, it seems like Love You is more a Wilson brothers album -- at least instrumentally -- than a BW solo joint.
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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2015, 11:33:36 AM »

As far as I'm aware, all of the drums on Love You are real, not programmed. They're so Brian, too. Listen to Love You and then hear Brian play the opening drums from Be My Baby in Endless Harmony. You can hear it in how he clubs the instruments. For a guy who was never a drummer beyond the necessity to get some drums on a recording or fill in in the early days so Dennis could sing, Brian could hold his own on drums.

Other than this album, how many released songs have Brian (and Brian only) performing drums on them?

Umm... "Surfin'".

"Where Is She". "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling". "Funky Pretty". Maybe "'Til I Die" (the snare that comes in somewhere halfway through or toward the end - I would still count that as "Brian only", since the Rhythm Ace isn't a drumming person - just a drumming machine).
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2015, 11:35:38 AM »

So let's break it down, then. Let's set out the official drum / percussion credits for Love You.

"Let Us Go On This Way" -- Brian
"Roller Skating Child" -- Brian
"Mona" -- Dennis
"Johnny Carson" -- Brian
"Good Time" -- Dennis
"Honkin' Down the Highway" -- Dennis
"Ding Dang" -- ??
"Solar System" -- Brian
"The Night Was So Young" -- Dennis
"I'll Bet He's Nice" -- Brian
"Let's Put Our Hearts Together" -- Brian
"I Wanna Pick You Up" -- Dennis
"Airplane" -- Brian (main song) and ?? (tag)
"Love Is a Woman" -- Brian

Does this look right? And what about the question marks?

Once you look at it this way, it seems like Love You is more a Wilson brothers album -- at least instrumentally -- than a BW solo joint.

Mostly right, but "Good Time" is another Dennis - Dragon. And I'm pretty sure it's Brian drumming on the "Airplane" tag as well as main song. As for "Ding Dang", a safe bet would be Ricky Fataar, but I couldn't say for sure.
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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2015, 11:42:58 AM »

Dennis Diken's liners only say "Like a lot of songs on this album, it sounds like Brian played all the instruments, including the rudimentary drums."
Who is Dennis Diken? I thought Peter Buck did the liners?
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2015, 12:04:23 PM »

You are entirely correct, and I'm not.
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2015, 12:12:02 PM »

You are entirely correct, and I'm not.

But Dennis Diken - drummer of The Smithereens - did contribute in a research capacity to the twofer reissue series in general.
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2015, 12:24:02 PM »

He did the 15 BO liners.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2015, 12:25:03 PM »

You are entirely correct, and I'm not.

Although most of my cd collection was stolen some years ago and I no longer have the 2fer, I remember quite well that Buck used some of your text for his liner notes, some of it pretty much word for word. :D
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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2015, 01:33:51 PM »

The Love You notes are awful factually, though. Thankfully, AGD's are not.
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« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2015, 03:51:16 AM »

So let's break it down, then. Let's set out the official drum / percussion credits for Love You.

"Let Us Go On This Way" -- Brian
"Roller Skating Child" -- Brian
"Mona" -- Dennis
"Johnny Carson" -- Brian
"Good Time" -- Dennis
"Honkin' Down the Highway" -- Dennis
"Ding Dang" -- ??
"Solar System" -- Brian
"The Night Was So Young" -- Dennis
"I'll Bet He's Nice" -- Brian
"Let's Put Our Hearts Together" -- Brian
"I Wanna Pick You Up" -- Dennis
"Airplane" -- Brian (main song) and ?? (tag)
"Love Is a Woman" -- Brian

Does this look right? And what about the question marks?

Once you look at it this way, it seems like Love You is more a Wilson brothers album -- at least instrumentally -- than a BW solo joint.

Mostly right, but "Good Time" is another Dennis - Dragon. And I'm pretty sure it's Brian drumming on the "Airplane" tag as well as main song. As for "Ding Dang", a safe bet would be Ricky Fataar, but I couldn't say for sure.

Oh, and "I'll Bet He's Nice" doesn't actually have drums, just percussion. Smiley Which, I believe is Brian.
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