John Stebbins FAQ Book: Rather harsh on Brian's Solo Tours and Handlers?

[Howie Edelson]

My ultimate point Sheriff, is this; If you want to know the truth about something, if it is a major part of your life that you spend years pouring over to the point of cross-referencing quotes about subjects throughout decades, a year, a tour -- I say, put the mouse down. Leave the computer and meet the people you’re so interested in and ask them what you want to know. That’s exactly what I did for a career and I got exactly the answers I wanted, when I wanted, from precisely the people I wanted them from. I mean, Sheriff, you’ve posted over 4000 times on a message board about The Beach Boys. It’s a safe bet that The Beach Boys is the major deal in your life. If at this point you’ve devoted that much time to a subject and remain so exasperated by not getting the real story (which is actually out there) -- it’s not the band, or interviewer or book publisher’s fault.

Nobody owes anyone the truth, but if one wants it, one can get it.
Go get the truth, dude.

[HeyJude]

I don't understand why this "Does Brian *really* want to tour?" question seems to be so difficult for some folks to grasp.

C'mon, aren't there things that you sometimes don't want to do, but sometimes also find rewarding? Stebbins' take on the subject in his book (which, for crying out loud people, please READ before commenting on; trust me, if you're into the BB's, it's a good book!) always struck me as pretty spot on. He cites some specific evidence, both reported and first hand, and then comes to the not-at-all-shocking conclusion that there are elements to playing live where Brian sometimes would rather be home eating a steak than being on stage, but also seems to sometimes get something good out of it.

As Wirestone also pointed out, it's arguably a somewhat moot issue, as Brian *hasn't* extensively toured apart from C50 in quite some time (and on C50 Brian had to do FAR less heavy lifting during shows). If Brian had been doing the 100-shows-per-year circuit every year since 1999 and continued to look more and more miserable every year, then we'd be having a different discussion.

I've seen Brian ten or however many times it is, and sometimes he looks and sounds like he's having fun (2000 in Saratoga, CA on the PS tour; the most lively I've EVER seen or heard him), and sometimes he literally lays down on the stage mid-performance in some weird passive-aggressive moment (2007 in Saratoga, CA in the SAME venue).

Having witnessed one of the more infamous live moments in Brian's solo touring career at that show in 2007, even then I came away with my opinion not terribly changed about whether he should be touring or wants to. I said back then in 2007 right after the show that the question of whether Brian should be touring was not any more or less valid in 2007 (or now 2015) than it was in 1999.

He's hitting 73 years old this year. Evidence suggests that normal wear of old age if nothing else maybe slowing the touring schedule (which I still think is at least a big part of why Foskett jumped ship; there are few gigs with Brian these days). I think he can still do a strong run of shows, especially with a bigger supporting act. If he tours more extensively in 2015 than he has in the last few years, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens in part because he adds Al and maybe even Blondie to the tour, and with the backing guys taking a few leads.

[Empire Of Love]

HeyJude: I don't think anyone is questioning whether or not Brian likes touring.  The question is whether or not he is being controlled into doing so to a Landy-like degree. Some here did the old Murray Wilson two step side step and everyone seems to have followed down the road and now we are talking about whether or not be likes touring.  I'm still looking for evidence that Brian is controlled.  After a couple of years of considering that possibility I've become increasingly skeptical because I've seen very little evidence.  I've heard statements from those who I believe don't have any real data, such as Sherrif John Stone.  I've read statements from those who seem at first blush to have enough info to opine, such as Jon Stebbins, and I've read between the lines of those such as AGD.  But evidence?  Severely lacking.  I'm going to track down the Stebbins book with an open mind.  If this thread is any indication I won't be surprised if I go away without hard evidence.  But maybe I'll be surprised.  Hopefully.

EoL

[Ray Lawlor]

I am going to jump in on this thread , but will preface it with the following: first; I have not read Jon Stebbins' FAQ book so I cannot comment on anything written there; second ; I have been an aviation industry executive for almost thirty years ; which has given me significant personal and professional travel perks, which I have utilized to meet up with Brian in Australia four times , Japan three times, the U.K. every time , most of the EU tours,  most of the U.S. touring and all of the New York dates. During these times ,I have eaten several meals a day with Brian ; in restaurants, hotels and a few bars along the way; and to this date , in all of these places, I have yet to see or meet one of these handlers that are so often discussed on this board.  So I ask again as I have asked before on this board: who are they ?  What are their names ? Who are these shadow enforcers ? I will make it easy. Jean Sievers and Melinda Wilson are the BriMel management team;nobody else. On the road, Jerry Weiss, a damn good guy, was Brian's PA for several years , followed by Sharkey , and then Jeff Foskett became Brian's "right hand man". None of them were/are the handlers , so someone please forward me their names as I would like to meet them.

This whole "Brian is controlled" thing has gotten archaic to say the least ; let's dispense with the bull-sh*t ; some of the people pushing this agenda have a target , and that target is Melinda Wilson; that she is ultimately the one who is "controlling" Brian. If that is the case that some of you want to make,  then have the balls to come out and say it publicly , not hide behind this nebulous "handler " nonsense or winks and nods. Let's have that debate. But come prepared with first hand facts and knowledge, not innuendo; not something you read , or a friend of someone in the band told you, or its something you heard on Bill O'Reilly .  I am prepared to have that debate; be prepared to not like my answers.

Finally; I am mentioned in liner notes, I do get Christmas cards, and I do get backstage access at concerts ; both BW and C50.  But I get these things because of friendship , not flackery.

G'Day

[mikeddonn]

Good enough for me Ray!  I believe Brian has good people around him, fortunately.  Does Brian ever look at this board or do you pass comments on to him?  For example, I know during C50 you were able to clear up concerns about Brian's back and he also mentioned on his Facebook about people being concerned about him.  I guess I'm wondering if Brian is aware of what we are now discussing and what his response would be.  I can't imagine he would enjoy seeng this kind of stuff poured over constantly (i.e., handlers).  

I would like to relate a story of when I met Brian.  It was at the Balmoral Hotel in Edinburgh, Scotland 2002.  He got off the tour bus first along with another gentleman (maybe it was you?).  I asked him if he could sign my Pet Sounds lp, which he did!  I then chanced it and asked for a photograph, Brian put his arm round me whilst the other man took the picture.  He was very relaxed and I was over the moon! Anyway, I share this because there were no 'handlers' that I could see. Brian went into the hotel and the band were next of the bus.

Thanks again for your openness and willingness to participate on the board, and maybe have a word in Brian's ear about racking up some more air miles back to Scotland when the new album comes out!

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

I am going to jump in on this thread , but will preface it with the following: first; I have not read Jon Stebbins' FAQ book so I cannot comment on anything written there; second ; I have been an aviation industry executive for almost thirty years ; which has given me significant personal and professional travel perks, which I have utilized to meet up with Brian in Australia four times , Japan three times, the U.K. every time , most of the EU tours,  most of the U.S. touring and all of the New York dates. During these times ,I have eaten several meals a day with Brian ; in restaurants, hotels and a few bars along the way; and to this date , in all of these places, I have yet to see or meet one of these handlers that are so often discussed on this board.  So I ask again as I have asked before on this board: who are they ?  What are their names ? Who are these shadow enforcers ? I will make it easy. Jean Sievers and Melinda Wilson are the BriMel management team;nobody else. On the road, Jerry Weiss, a damn good guy, was Brian's PA for several years , followed by Sharkey , and then Jeff Foskett became Brian's "right hand man". None of them were/are the handlers , so someone please forward me their names as I would like to meet them.

This whole "Brian is controlled" thing has gotten archaic to say the least ; let's dispense with the bull-sh*t ; some of the people pushing this agenda have a target , and that target is Melinda Wilson; that she is ultimately the one who is "controlling" Brian. If that is the case that some of you want to make,  then have the balls to come out and say it publicly , not hide behind this nebulous "handler " nonsense or winks and nods. Let's have that debate. But come prepared with first hand facts and knowledge, not innuendo; not something you read , or a friend of someone in the band told you, or its something you heard on Bill O'Reilly .  I am prepared to have that debate; be prepared to not like my answers.

Finally; I am mentioned in liner notes, I do get Christmas cards, and I do get backstage access at concerts ; both BW and C50.  But I get these things because of friendship , not flackery.

G'Day

Incredible post, Ray and a welcomed blast of fresh air on this subject. Thank you for sharing this and with this, this subject should be put to beddy-bye.

[Ray Lawlor]

Good enough for me Ray!  I believe Brian has good people around him, fortunately.  Does Brian ever look at this board or do you pass comments on to him?  For example, I know during C50 you were able to clear up concerns about Brian's back and he also mentioned on his Facebook about people being concerned about him.  I guess I'm wondering if Brian is aware of what we are now discussing and what his response would be.  I can't imagine he would enjoy seeng this kind of stuff poured over constantly (i.e., handlers).  

I would like to relate a story of when I met Brian.  It was at the Balmoral Hotel in Edinburgh, Scotland 2002.  He got off the tour bus first along with another gentleman (maybe it was you?).  I asked him if he could sign my Pet Sounds lp, which he did!  I then chanced it and asked for a photograph, Brian put his arm round me whilst the other man took the picture.  He was very relaxed and I was over the moon! Anyway, I share this because there were no 'handlers' that I could see. Brian went into the hotel and the band were next of the bus.

Thanks again for your openness and willingness to participate on the board, and maybe have a word in Brian's ear about racking up some more air miles back to Scotland when the new album comes out!

I remember that vividly; that was me, I took your picture....does that make me a handler ? Or a closet photographer ?  I would love to see that picture. The bar at the Balmoral ( one of the greatest bars in the world) was the first time I was able to get Brian to relax and have a beer with a few guys in the band (great beer by the way). Great story from that concert.  After the concert , there were at least 50 people who somehow got backstage, where there was beer , wine and soda. Right in the middle, beer in hand , was Brian , talking away to everyone.  I walked over to see what was happening and he said :" Ray; I love these f....g people ; they are so great !"  Then he went back to talking to anyone who wanted to listen, and I went over to grab myself a beer.  An excellent night.PS... I ripped off a white garmet bag from the Balmoral  ; still carry a suit in it when traveling to this day.

[mikeddonn]

Good enough for me Ray!  I believe Brian has good people around him, fortunately.  Does Brian ever look at this board or do you pass comments on to him?  For example, I know during C50 you were able to clear up concerns about Brian's back and he also mentioned on his Facebook about people being concerned about him.  I guess I'm wondering if Brian is aware of what we are now discussing and what his response would be.  I can't imagine he would enjoy seeng this kind of stuff poured over constantly (i.e., handlers).  

I would like to relate a story of when I met Brian.  It was at the Balmoral Hotel in Edinburgh, Scotland 2002.  He got off the tour bus first along with another gentleman (maybe it was you?).  I asked him if he could sign my Pet Sounds lp, which he did!  I then chanced it and asked for a photograph, Brian put his arm round me whilst the other man took the picture.  He was very relaxed and I was over the moon! Anyway, I share this because there were no 'handlers' that I could see. Brian went into the hotel and the band were next of the bus.

Thanks again for your openness and willingness to participate on the board, and maybe have a word in Brian's ear about racking up some more air miles back to Scotland when the new album comes out!

I remember that vividly; that was me, I took your picture....does that make me a handler ? Or a closet photographer ?  I would love to see that picture. The bar at the Balmoral ( one of the greatest bars in the world) was the first time I was able to get Brian to relax and have a beer with a few guys in the band (great beer by the way). Great story from that concert.  After the concert , there were at least 50 people who somehow got backstage, where there was beer , wine and soda. Right in the middle, beer in hand , was Brian , talking away to everyone.  I walked over to see what was happening and he said :" Ray; I love these f....g people ; they are so great !"  Then he went back to talking to anyone who wanted to listen, and I went over to grab myself a beer.  An excellent night.PS... I ripped off a white garmet bag from the Balmoral  ; still carry a suit in it when traveling to this day.

Ray that's great that you remembered.  I can't believe it, such a small world as they say!  I'll get a copy of that picture to you.  I'm just glad the picture worked out.  That was in the old days before digital camera phones and I had a nervous wait as I finished the spool in the camera and then took it to get it developed.  It's so much easier now!

Also, a cool story about Brian backstage having a beer with the fans and then with the band back at the Balmoral.  It is indeed quite a place!  Glad you've still got the souvenir suit carrier! 

It was a great night all round.  Do you remember during the show a guy jumped up on stage and started dancing in front of Brian who was seated front centre at his keyboard?  I have never seen that at any of the Brian concerts I've been to.  Anyway, Brian just looked at the guy and kept singing. Didn't miss a beat!  Brian also came down to the front and high fived the audience on a couple of occasions.  That was definitely one of the best shows I've been to.  It was also where some SMiLE songs were played and I remember thinking that maybe, just maybe we'll see more of that.  Two years later of course was the full SMiLE Tour!   Thanks again for the picture!

[Ray Lawlor]

Good enough for me Ray!  I believe Brian has good people around him, fortunately.  Does Brian ever look at this board or do you pass comments on to him?  For example, I know during C50 you were able to clear up concerns about Brian's back and he also mentioned on his Facebook about people being concerned about him.  I guess I'm wondering if Brian is aware of what we are now discussing and what his response would be.  I can't imagine he would enjoy seeng this kind of stuff poured over constantly (i.e., handlers).  

I would like to relate a story of when I met Brian.  It was at the Balmoral Hotel in Edinburgh, Scotland 2002.  He got off the tour bus first along with another gentleman (maybe it was you?).  I asked him if he could sign my Pet Sounds lp, which he did!  I then chanced it and asked for a photograph, Brian put his arm round me whilst the other man took the picture.  He was very relaxed and I was over the moon! Anyway, I share this because there were no 'handlers' that I could see. Brian went into the hotel and the band were next of the bus.

Thanks again for your openness and willingness to participate on the board, and maybe have a word in Brian's ear about racking up some more air miles back to Scotland when the new album comes out!

I remember that vividly; that was me, I took your picture....does that make me a handler ? Or a closet photographer ?  I would love to see that picture. The bar at the Balmoral ( one of the greatest bars in the world) was the first time I was able to get Brian to relax and have a beer with a few guys in the band (great beer by the way). Great story from that concert.  After the concert , there were at least 50 people who somehow got backstage, where there was beer , wine and soda. Right in the middle, beer in hand , was Brian , talking away to everyone.  I walked over to see what was happening and he said :" Ray; I love these f....g people ; they are so great !"  Then he went back to talking to anyone who wanted to listen, and I went over to grab myself a beer.  An excellent night.PS... I ripped off a white garmet bag from the Balmoral  ; still carry a suit in it when traveling to this day.

Ray that's great that you remembered.  I can't believe it, such a small world as they say!  I'll get a copy of that picture to you.  I'm just glad the picture worked out.  That was in the old days before digital camera phones and I had a nervous wait as I finished the spool in the camera and then took it to get it developed.  It's so much easier now!

Also, a cool story about Brian backstage having a beer with the fans and then with the band back at the Balmoral.  It is indeed quite a place!  Glad you've still got the souvenir suit carrier! 

It was a great night all round.  Do you remember during the show a guy jumped up on stage and started dancing in front of Brian who was seated front centre at his keyboard?  I have never seen that at any of the Brian concerts I've been to.  Anyway, Brian just looked at the guy and kept singing. Didn't miss a beat!  Brian also came down to the front and high fived the audience on a couple of occasions.  That was definitely one of the best shows I've been to.  It was also where some SMiLE songs were played and I remember thinking that maybe, just maybe we'll see more of that.  Two years later of course was the full SMiLE Tour!   Thanks again for the picture!

Holy crap ; I forgot about that guy dancing on the stage in front of Brian....he just kept going on singing ; funny moment.  I also remember Brian high-fiving on a few occasions....and I dont recall him doing that again.  All in all , that was one of the best nights , so thank you!  Did I at least take a decent picture for you ?

[mikeddonn]

Good enough for me Ray!  I believe Brian has good people around him, fortunately.  Does Brian ever look at this board or do you pass comments on to him?  For example, I know during C50 you were able to clear up concerns about Brian's back and he also mentioned on his Facebook about people being concerned about him.  I guess I'm wondering if Brian is aware of what we are now discussing and what his response would be.  I can't imagine he would enjoy seeng this kind of stuff poured over constantly (i.e., handlers).  

I would like to relate a story of when I met Brian.  It was at the Balmoral Hotel in Edinburgh, Scotland 2002.  He got off the tour bus first along with another gentleman (maybe it was you?).  I asked him if he could sign my Pet Sounds lp, which he did!  I then chanced it and asked for a photograph, Brian put his arm round me whilst the other man took the picture.  He was very relaxed and I was over the moon! Anyway, I share this because there were no 'handlers' that I could see. Brian went into the hotel and the band were next of the bus.

Thanks again for your openness and willingness to participate on the board, and maybe have a word in Brian's ear about racking up some more air miles back to Scotland when the new album comes out!

I remember that vividly; that was me, I took your picture....does that make me a handler ? Or a closet photographer ?  I would love to see that picture. The bar at the Balmoral ( one of the greatest bars in the world) was the first time I was able to get Brian to relax and have a beer with a few guys in the band (great beer by the way). Great story from that concert.  After the concert , there were at least 50 people who somehow got backstage, where there was beer , wine and soda. Right in the middle, beer in hand , was Brian , talking away to everyone.  I walked over to see what was happening and he said :" Ray; I love these f....g people ; they are so great !"  Then he went back to talking to anyone who wanted to listen, and I went over to grab myself a beer.  An excellent night.PS... I ripped off a white garmet bag from the Balmoral  ; still carry a suit in it when traveling to this day.

Ray that's great that you remembered.  I can't believe it, such a small world as they say!  I'll get a copy of that picture to you.  I'm just glad the picture worked out.  That was in the old days before digital camera phones and I had a nervous wait as I finished the spool in the camera and then took it to get it developed.  It's so much easier now!

Also, a cool story about Brian backstage having a beer with the fans and then with the band back at the Balmoral.  It is indeed quite a place!  Glad you've still got the souvenir suit carrier! 

It was a great night all round.  Do you remember during the show a guy jumped up on stage and started dancing in front of Brian who was seated front centre at his keyboard?  I have never seen that at any of the Brian concerts I've been to.  Anyway, Brian just looked at the guy and kept singing. Didn't miss a beat!  Brian also came down to the front and high fived the audience on a couple of occasions.  That was definitely one of the best shows I've been to.  It was also where some SMiLE songs were played and I remember thinking that maybe, just maybe we'll see more of that.  Two years later of course was the full SMiLE Tour!   Thanks again for the picture!

Holy crap ; I forgot about that guy dancing on the stage in front of Brian....he just kept going on singing ; funny moment.  I also remember Brian high-fiving on a few occasions....and I dont recall him doing that again.  All in all , that was one of the best nights , so thank you!  Did I at least take a decent picture for you ?

The picture turned out great!  I've sent you a PM so you can get a look.  Thanks again 

[Jon Stebbins]

I am going to jump in on this thread , but will preface it with the following: first; I have not read Jon Stebbins' FAQ book so I cannot comment on anything written there; second ; I have been an aviation industry executive for almost thirty years ; which has given me significant personal and professional travel perks, which I have utilized to meet up with Brian in Australia four times , Japan three times, the U.K. every time , most of the EU tours,  most of the U.S. touring and all of the New York dates. During these times ,I have eaten several meals a day with Brian ; in restaurants, hotels and a few bars along the way; and to this date , in all of these places, I have yet to see or meet one of these handlers that are so often discussed on this board.  So I ask again as I have asked before on this board: who are they ?  What are their names ? Who are these shadow enforcers ? I will make it easy. Jean Sievers and Melinda Wilson are the BriMel management team;nobody else. On the road, Jerry Weiss, a damn good guy, was Brian's PA for several years , followed by Sharkey , and then Jeff Foskett became Brian's "right hand man". None of them were/are the handlers , so someone please forward me their names as I would like to meet them.

This whole "Brian is controlled" thing has gotten archaic to say the least ; let's dispense with the bull-sh*t ; some of the people pushing this agenda have a target , and that target is Melinda Wilson; that she is ultimately the one who is "controlling" Brian. If that is the case that some of you want to make,  then have the balls to come out and say it publicly , not hide behind this nebulous "handler " nonsense or winks and nods. Let's have that debate. But come prepared with first hand facts and knowledge, not innuendo; not something you read , or a friend of someone in the band told you, or its something you heard on Bill O'Reilly .  I am prepared to have that debate; be prepared to not like my answers.

Finally; I am mentioned in liner notes, I do get Christmas cards, and I do get backstage access at concerts ; both BW and C50.  But I get these things because of friendship , not flackery.

G'Day

Ray, thanks for your input...and I think if you did read the chapter you will see that it is well rounded and presents a view of Brian from a number of potential perspectives. My opinion is formed from my perspective, but the piece leaves room for yours, and for others. The chapter goes back to 1963 to give a foundation for Brian's reluctance to tour, and perform on nights when he wasn't wanting to. The word "handlers" is used twice in the entire chapter, and that seems to have evolved into a third rail term because of the Landy years, which are really not mentioned in the article. I used it at the time to avoid naming names because that is not the intent of the piece. To me the ultimate "handler" would have been Jeff, who is a friend, and who for years did an amazing job of giving Brian just the right amount of support, direction and assistance, but did it in a way that showed respect and good nature. That's part of yesterday now. I'm learning to hate the word handlers, but since I used it let's go there...The "handler" referred to early in the piece was Jean, the incident recounted is on tape, and my friend Howie Edelson, who you know, did the interview in person, in studio. No bullshit, just reality, it happened as I described it. The "handlers" mentioned later in the article were Melinda and David Leaf, this was an incident that occurred back in 1999. My friend Ed Roach will verify we viewed this up close, first hand. These things colored my perception, along with the other things mentioned in the chapter, and a few that are not. But in no way does the chapter suggest that my perception is the full perspective. It just theorizes on how a number of things i have seen, and experienced, have added up to color my perspective and make my opinion what it is. (Just FYI I've met Melinda a few times and she was always really nice to me, and nice to my family.) I have no animosity toward Jean or David, don't know them, but we have many many common friends. Ultimately my chapter is just me, a fan and writer, who has seen some troubling things, wondering, wishing, hoping that Brian is happy with where he is, and with what he's doing...because he deserves to be. And it's made me sad, due to bits and pieces of perspective gained through being close, and from being a fan who is not so close, to think that anything but that could be the case. Good to know you offer a more positive view, and as I said, i've seen some of that positive alternative myself. Long live Brian, and as the bottom line of the chapter in question wishes...I really hope he's getting the peace he deserves.

[Empire Of Love]

Thanks for the story mikeddonn.  My understanding regarding the Landy era is that stories such as mikesdonn's would have been impossible.  Perhaps Ray, or someone who would know, could confirm or deny.  But I've heard many such stories that, to my understanding, would have been impossible in the Landy-era.  The existence of so many stories, and that some have been corroborated, argues heavily against Landy-like control of Brian in the, shall we call it, the Melinda-era.  I'm not arguing that Brian likes going on stage or that Melinda doesn't encourage him to do so, but Landy-like control does not fit the evidence.

Jon I'm curious to know if you believe that the level of control approaches Landy-era levels as the OP claims.  I will read the chapter if you don't want to answer here (I'll read it either way).

Thanks to those with some knowledge for your insights.

EoL

Edit: I posted this prior to seeing your last post Jon.

[Don Malcolm]

Ray, I hate to tell you this, but the people at the Balmoral are lurkers here and I don't know if you're going to be able to keep that garment bag... 

Seriously--it is always a breath of fresh air when you post here. For those of us who are for one reason or another unable to follow Howie's advice, we have in you a "short cut" to the truth about Brian. It's clear that you guys have a friendship based on a mutual appreciation of each other's sense of integrity. And I daresay that we are all grateful beneficiaries of that, sir!

[Alan Smith]

The picture turned out great!  I've sent you a PM so you can get a look.  Thanks again 

And this thread turned out great! Cool story mike, and nice to see you and Ray bump into each other again 

Great clarification (as per) from Jon S.

[Ray Lawlor]

I am going to jump in on this thread , but will preface it with the following: first; I have not read Jon Stebbins' FAQ book so I cannot comment on anything written there; second ; I have been an aviation industry executive for almost thirty years ; which has given me significant personal and professional travel perks, which I have utilized to meet up with Brian in Australia four times , Japan three times, the U.K. every time , most of the EU tours,  most of the U.S. touring and all of the New York dates. During these times ,I have eaten several meals a day with Brian ; in restaurants, hotels and a few bars along the way; and to this date , in all of these places, I have yet to see or meet one of these handlers that are so often discussed on this board.  So I ask again as I have asked before on this board: who are they ?  What are their names ? Who are these shadow enforcers ? I will make it easy. Jean Sievers and Melinda Wilson are the BriMel management team;nobody else. On the road, Jerry Weiss, a damn good guy, was Brian's PA for several years , followed by Sharkey , and then Jeff Foskett became Brian's "right hand man". None of them were/are the handlers , so someone please forward me their names as I would like to meet them.

This whole "Brian is controlled" thing has gotten archaic to say the least ; let's dispense with the bull-sh*t ; some of the people pushing this agenda have a target , and that target is Melinda Wilson; that she is ultimately the one who is "controlling" Brian. If that is the case that some of you want to make,  then have the balls to come out and say it publicly , not hide behind this nebulous "handler " nonsense or winks and nods. Let's have that debate. But come prepared with first hand facts and knowledge, not innuendo; not something you read , or a friend of someone in the band told you, or its something you heard on Bill O'Reilly .  I am prepared to have that debate; be prepared to not like my answers.

Finally; I am mentioned in liner notes, I do get Christmas cards, and I do get backstage access at concerts ; both BW and C50.  But I get these things because of friendship , not flackery.

G'Day

Ray, thanks for your input...and I think if you did read the chapter you will see that it is well rounded and presents a view of Brian from a number of potential perspectives. My opinion is formed from my perspective, but the piece leaves room for yours, and for others. The chapter goes back to 1963 to give a foundation for Brian's reluctance to tour, and perform on nights when he wasn't wanting to. The word "handlers" is used twice in the entire chapter, and that seems to have evolved into a third rail term because of the Landy years, which are really not mentioned in the article. I used it at the time to avoid naming names because that is not the intent of the piece. To me the ultimate "handler" would have been Jeff, who is a friend, and who for years did an amazing job of giving Brian just the right amount of support, direction and assistance, but did it in a way that showed respect and good nature. That's part of yesterday now. I'm learning to hate the word handlers, but since I used it let's go there...The "handler" referred to early in the piece was Jean, the incident recounted is on tape, and my friend Howie Edelson, who you know, did the interview in person, in studio. No bullshit, just reality, it happened as I described it. The "handlers" mentioned later in the article were Melinda and David Leaf, this was an incident that occurred back in 1999. My friend Ed Roach will verify we viewed this up close, first hand. These things colored my perception, along with the other things mentioned in the chapter, and a few that are not. But in no way does the chapter suggest that my perception is the full perspective. It just theorizes on how a number of things i have seen, and experienced, have added up to color my perspective and make my opinion what it is. (Just FYI I've met Melinda a few times and she was always really nice to me, and nice to my family.) I have no animosity toward Jean or David, don't know them, but we have many many common friends. Ultimately my chapter is just me, a fan and writer, who has seen some troubling things, wondering, wishing, hoping that Brian is happy with where he is, and with what he's doing...because he deserves to be. And it's made me sad, due to bits and pieces of perspective gained through being close, and from being a fan who is not so close, to think that anything but that could be the case. Good to know you offer a more positive view, and as I said, i've seen some of that positive alternative myself. Long live Brian, and as the bottom line of the chapter in question wishes...I really hope he's getting the peace he deserves.

Hi Jon ; thanks for your reply ; it's late here (NY) but I wanted to respond quickly before I crashed for the night; I will probably add more tomorrow when I am not as shot as I am now . First of all , I will get my hands on your FAQ book so as I can talk to what you have written with clarity on my part. You are correct ; the term handlers has become offensive to some of us due to the abusive Landy "surf nazi" era ; so hackles go up. As these events were in 1999, Brian's first year of solo touring, I can safely say that Brian was a different guy back then . Many times , at intermission , he required a pep talk for the second half, to make sure he was focused; many times he didnt need one,  it depended on the night , and who was around ; sometimes it would be David, sometimes it would be me ; sometimes it would be Melinda, as in those early days she was on the tour. So the incident that you write about , 1999, not many gigs, I am guessing Wiltern Theatre, as both yourself and Ed Roach are LA guys ? I so , I was there that night as well ; I remember Brian was very good in both halves of the gig that evening. What I cannot conceive of is David Leaf yelling at Brian , like ever ; nor can I imagine Melinda yelling at him in a public place ; not in my experience;  I know I sure as hell never yelled at him !

I will revisit this  tomorrow; 1:30 am here and I have to be up at 0600 !

 

[J.G. Dev]

Ray, I really enjoy your posts. Thanks for sharing with us. Forgive me if this has been asked before, but I'm quite interested in how an international man of intrigue living on the East Coast came to befriend Brian. Would you mind sharing how you came to be friends with him? If you'd rather not, I fully understand....Thanks

[Lee Marshall]

Yes...Very interesting to get the view from a friend.  Thanks Ray.

While I'm here I just want to add how much I have enjoyed reading Jon's books.  And I want to say that the man does his homework and his research and that when it's necessary he's not adverse to bringing his material up to date and up to snuff.  When you're talking about a living, breathing entity like the Beach Boys...change happens.

Glad we have informed guys like Jon, Andrew and the 'lot' to do the heavy lifting in that regard.  Thanks lads.

[this site is pretty cool isn't it?]

[The Shift]

Appreciate all that's going down in this thread. I feel like a voyeur, but really appreciate the honesty and the clarity being offered.

It has already come along way since the demands that seemed to require, evidence, names and the breaking of confidences, which seemed to me to be akin to askin "When were you last unfaithful to your wife/partner/husband/lamb, that they're unaware of?"

Thanks, sincere thanks, to all concerned.

[Jon Stebbins]

I am going to jump in on this thread , but will preface it with the following: first; I have not read Jon Stebbins' FAQ book so I cannot comment on anything written there; second ; I have been an aviation industry executive for almost thirty years ; which has given me significant personal and professional travel perks, which I have utilized to meet up with Brian in Australia four times , Japan three times, the U.K. every time , most of the EU tours,  most of the U.S. touring and all of the New York dates. During these times ,I have eaten several meals a day with Brian ; in restaurants, hotels and a few bars along the way; and to this date , in all of these places, I have yet to see or meet one of these handlers that are so often discussed on this board.  So I ask again as I have asked before on this board: who are they ?  What are their names ? Who are these shadow enforcers ? I will make it easy. Jean Sievers and Melinda Wilson are the BriMel management team;nobody else. On the road, Jerry Weiss, a damn good guy, was Brian's PA for several years , followed by Sharkey , and then Jeff Foskett became Brian's "right hand man". None of them were/are the handlers , so someone please forward me their names as I would like to meet them.

This whole "Brian is controlled" thing has gotten archaic to say the least ; let's dispense with the bull-sh*t ; some of the people pushing this agenda have a target , and that target is Melinda Wilson; that she is ultimately the one who is "controlling" Brian. If that is the case that some of you want to make,  then have the balls to come out and say it publicly , not hide behind this nebulous "handler " nonsense or winks and nods. Let's have that debate. But come prepared with first hand facts and knowledge, not innuendo; not something you read , or a friend of someone in the band told you, or its something you heard on Bill O'Reilly .  I am prepared to have that debate; be prepared to not like my answers.

Finally; I am mentioned in liner notes, I do get Christmas cards, and I do get backstage access at concerts ; both BW and C50.  But I get these things because of friendship , not flackery.

G'Day

Ray, thanks for your input...and I think if you did read the chapter you will see that it is well rounded and presents a view of Brian from a number of potential perspectives. My opinion is formed from my perspective, but the piece leaves room for yours, and for others. The chapter goes back to 1963 to give a foundation for Brian's reluctance to tour, and perform on nights when he wasn't wanting to. The word "handlers" is used twice in the entire chapter, and that seems to have evolved into a third rail term because of the Landy years, which are really not mentioned in the article. I used it at the time to avoid naming names because that is not the intent of the piece. To me the ultimate "handler" would have been Jeff, who is a friend, and who for years did an amazing job of giving Brian just the right amount of support, direction and assistance, but did it in a way that showed respect and good nature. That's part of yesterday now. I'm learning to hate the word handlers, but since I used it let's go there...The "handler" referred to early in the piece was Jean, the incident recounted is on tape, and my friend Howie Edelson, who you know, did the interview in person, in studio. No bullshit, just reality, it happened as I described it. The "handlers" mentioned later in the article were Melinda and David Leaf, this was an incident that occurred back in 1999. My friend Ed Roach will verify we viewed this up close, first hand. These things colored my perception, along with the other things mentioned in the chapter, and a few that are not. But in no way does the chapter suggest that my perception is the full perspective. It just theorizes on how a number of things i have seen, and experienced, have added up to color my perspective and make my opinion what it is. (Just FYI I've met Melinda a few times and she was always really nice to me, and nice to my family.) I have no animosity toward Jean or David, don't know them, but we have many many common friends. Ultimately my chapter is just me, a fan and writer, who has seen some troubling things, wondering, wishing, hoping that Brian is happy with where he is, and with what he's doing...because he deserves to be. And it's made me sad, due to bits and pieces of perspective gained through being close, and from being a fan who is not so close, to think that anything but that could be the case. Good to know you offer a more positive view, and as I said, i've seen some of that positive alternative myself. Long live Brian, and as the bottom line of the chapter in question wishes...I really hope he's getting the peace he deserves.

Hi Jon ; thanks for your reply ; it's late here (NY) but I wanted to respond quickly before I crashed for the night; I will probably add more tomorrow when I am not as shot as I am now . First of all , I will get my hands on your FAQ book so as I can talk to what you have written with clarity on my part. You are correct ; the term handlers has become offensive to some of us due to the abusive Landy "surf nazi" era ; so hackles go up. As these events were in 1999, Brian's first year of solo touring, I can safely say that Brian was a different guy back then . Many times , at intermission , he required a pep talk for the second half, to make sure he was focused; many times he didnt need one,  it depended on the night , and who was around ; sometimes it would be David, sometimes it would be me ; sometimes it would be Melinda, as in those early days she was on the tour. So the incident that you write about , 1999, not many gigs, I am guessing Wiltern Theatre, as both yourself and Ed Roach are LA guys ? I so , I was there that night as well ; I remember Brian was very good in both halves of the gig that evening. What I cannot conceive of is David Leaf yelling at Brian , like ever ; nor can I imagine Melinda yelling at him in a public place ; not in my experience;  I know I sure as hell never yelled at him !

I will revisit this  tomorrow; 1:30 am here and I have to be up at 0600 !

 

Ray, it was the Sun Theater in OC, the night after the Wiltern, and yes at the Wiltern he was excellent, both halves. At the Sun he looked like he'd rather be somewhere else during half one. I guess we witnessed a pep talk, but the language and tone surprised us. Maybe we're too sensitive!! BTW, he was great the second half, so something got his attention. Anyway, my underlying point is that sometimes, due to all the various things I've seen first hand, and sincere commentary from the band, friends and some family...I just hate the thought of Brian being pushed at this age. I appreciate your view, and would love to have a beer and go off the record with you some day.

[Wirestone]

To reiterate a point -- we're talking about an incident that took place 16 years ago. BW was 56 then. He's 72 now. Different ages, different men and different touring schedules.

[Steve Latshaw]

I was at the Wiltern that night and can attest that it was a great show.  We were way up in the back... seats that are very high up, looking almost straight down on the band.  The one thing I remember vividly was Brian's hands on the piano, knitting the keys like a cat.

[Heysaboda]

Hi Jon ; thanks for your reply ; it's late here (NY) but I wanted to respond quickly before I crashed for the night; I will probably add more tomorrow when I am not as shot as I am now . First of all , I will get my hands on your FAQ book so as I can talk to what you have written with clarity on my part. You are correct ; the term handlers has become offensive to some of us due to the abusive Landy "surf nazi" era ; so hackles go up. As these events were in 1999, Brian's first year of solo touring, I can safely say that Brian was a different guy back then . Many times , at intermission , he required a pep talk for the second half, to make sure he was focused; many times he didnt need one,  it depended on the night , and who was around ; sometimes it would be David, sometimes it would be me ; sometimes it would be Melinda, as in those early days she was on the tour. So the incident that you write about , 1999, not many gigs, I am guessing Wiltern Theatre, as both yourself and Ed Roach are LA guys ? I so , I was there that night as well ; I remember Brian was very good in both halves of the gig that evening. What I cannot conceive of is David Leaf yelling at Brian , like ever ; nor can I imagine Melinda yelling at him in a public place ; not in my experience;  I know I sure as hell never yelled at him !

I will revisit this  tomorrow; 1:30 am here and I have to be up at 0600 !

My wife and I saw Brian and his band at the Wiltern, sat in the front row, and it was glorious from start to finish.  (I had scored tickets at the Wherehouse Record store.  No one was in line!)  Brian seemed a little nervous, but you know what, he did the songs proud and my wife and I felt ** it ** on a spiritual level.  Paul Williams the writer was there. And at some point I bumped into Carnie Wilson, all I could think of to say was, “he’s doing wonderfully tonight”.

Funny moments: in the “pre-film” before the concert everyone booed the photo of Mike Love, which I didn’t understand at the time (being a newbie).  During the concert, Brian turned around to face and direct the band in the instrumental Pet Sounds and I thought, yeah those guys look a little nervous to be directed by the likes of Brian Wilson on stage!

Wonderful concert.

[guitarfool2002]

I saw Brian on the second leg of that first solo tour in 1999, he did a run of shows in the late spring and early summer after playing 4 in the midwest in March. Symphony Hall in Boston, June 21 1999. Based on the descriptions of the later Wiltern show, it seemed to follow the same program with showing the film before the show, then clips of the Little Girl I Once Knew studio sessions, etc. I laughed reading the post above because some of the people shown in that pre-show film got loud applause (Hal Blaine was one of the loudest that night), and others in the film...did not...as mentioned above.

I had lived for several years on the same block as the hall, so I knew where they'd load and unload, where the artists and crew would enter, etc. I had brought along a copy of Pet Sounds hoping to get it signed, my buddy and I got there hours early to wait at the side door in the alley just off Mass Ave since that was the artist entrance. The alley was already packed with the crew's semi trailers, and there were only a few other fans milling around, so we made small talk, etc. I thought definitely that album would be getting a signature.

As the afternoon went on, eventually some people started walking across the alley and into the door, I only knew by sight The Wondermints at that time, and recognized Darian, Nicky Wonder, etc as they walked by.

Then finally Brian was spotted making his way across the alley. Lot of "buzz" from what was now a few dozen fans waiting outside for him. Most fans were in the front entrance of the hall waiting to get in, all the folks with the albums and Sharpie pens were in the alley.

There was Brian - Smiling, waving at us fans, etc...he really seemed excited and happy as he was walking in. He didn't look at all stressed out, or unhappy to be there, or even like it was going through the motions, in fact it was quite the opposite when he was waving and smiling. I took some photos, this is one which I've only shared with two people so far...




Note the semi trailers, etc. I have another where he's raising his hand to wave and you see a fan holding out a Sharpie, like he expected Brian to grab the pen and sign with his waving hand.  Unfortunately he didn't stop to sign anything, he just said some hi's and hello's, and made his way in. Melinda did stop and sign for people, she chatted a bit, it was very cool.

But getting to the issue of the "pep talk"...

I got tickets on the first balcony, looking right over the stage (on the left side facing the stage). You could see everything on the stage, I wanted to check out the instruments and equipment the band would be using to recreate those amazing sounds, so the seats for me were better than those on the floor. We could also see off stage, as Brian exited to the right.

At one break in the show, we saw Brian standing just off stage with the emcee of the show (wearing a Hawaiian shirt), and it looked like he was getting such a pep talk, or maybe just encouragement. At one point the emcee (I'm sorry I just cannot remember his name...) put his hands on Brian's shoulders and it looked he was giving him encouragement or reassurance for that point in the show. That really stood out, but it didn't seem in any way something other than a friend giving him some encouragement or even saying what a good show it had been so far.

The show was terrific. One highlight for me as someone also mentioned was the Pet Sounds instrumentals. This floored me and I'm sure most others in the audience, they were spot-on, grooving and authentic yet full of live energy. What a terrific f***ing band, I thought, to pull those off.

What I didn't catch at the time but was later reminded of by my buddy was how Brian sat on a stool center-stage, was facing the band as they played his arrangements, and listened. And beyond that, at some points his hands seemed to by instinct rise up and start conducting the music. I saw it but I didn't really *see* it until my friend said "It seemed like he felt he was in the studio again in 1966 producing and conducting the band", and that will always stick out as one of those moments out of every show I've seen. It was something that probably didn't mean much, yet it did for someone like me to see the man who did this back in 1966 on stage again at the center of a band playing his music.

After the show, we went back to that side door, but it was crowded and the wait got too long. Never got the autograph but what a night.

And reading some of the memories from other shows in 1999 reminded me of these things, as well as wanting to mention my own view of a positive "pep talk" that happened during a break at this show.

[Lee Marshall]

You know...I've GUESSED several times at several on'line places over these past dozen years that ONE of the reasons why Brian wanted to stop touring WAY back when was because the band/the group just could NOT deliver the sounds he heard in his head and they couldn't recreate them live on stage.  Brian's vision for his music...the vibe, the sound, the instrumentation, the over-all presentation was not something that a 5 piece band or even the much augmented version could do...even in the 'glory years'.  The Beach Boys had their album sound...AND...they had their live sound.

Since Brian's return to live performances...he's been able to match the two so that they sound pretty much the same.  Credit is, of course, due to those fabulous multi instrumentalists and musicians who can manage it.  [and to the band leader and conductor as well]
As for him not always wanting to go to work...Who does?  But the difference is...over these past 16 years or so...he IS once again going to work.  The payoff must be better.

Any comments on my thoughts about Brian being particular and a stickler for having his music performed the way HE wants it done?

[HeyJude]

You know...I've GUESSED several times at several on'line places over these past dozen years that ONE of the reasons why Brian wanted to stop touring WAY back when was because the band/the group just could NOT deliver the sounds he heard in his head and they couldn't recreate them live on stage.  Brian's vision for his music...the vibe, the sound, the instrumentation, the over-all presentation was not something that a 5 piece band or even the much augmented version could do...even in the 'glory years'.  The Beach Boys had their album sound...AND...they had their live sound.

Since Brian's return to live performances...he's been able to match the two so that they sound pretty much the same.  Credit is, of course, due to those fabulous multi instrumentalists and musicians who can manage it.  [and to the band leader and conductor as well]
As for him not always wanting to go to work...Who does?  But the difference is...over these past 16 years or so...he IS once again going to work.  The payoff must be better.

Any comments on my thoughts about Brian being particular and a stickler for having his music performed the way HE wants it done?

While the reproduction of his studio creations on stage may have been a factor at varying points over the years, I always got the sense it was more the whole ball of wax Brian didn't like. Traveling, being in front of an audience, loud crowds and loud bands, etc.

As David Marks mentions briefly in the "Endless Harmony" documentary, touring in the early days was *nothing* like the modern day of much more cushy touring. The band obviously didn't have a crew of roadies even in the early days. But even once the band hit it big by 1964 and so on, even touring then was not anywhere near as streamlined as it was by the 80's and into the 90's and so on. There's the classic on-film example of the Beatles' Washing DC gig in 1964 where their intricate stage rig and roadie situation consisted of Neil and Mal and Ringo himself hunching over and rotating his drum riser. I don't think at a 2015 gig Ringo has to move his drum kit at any point....

The tradeoff on Brian's much more cushy (compared to the early 60's) solo tours is that he has to front the band all night. That probably is one of the things that might stress one out more. That's another reason I thought (get ready for it..) the C50 tour setup was great for Brian. He had spent 13 years getting more attuned to playing live, but was able to do much less heavy lifting. He was still more of a factor in shows than he was in, say, 1979/80, etc., but was able to be off to the side and share the workload (and all the good stuff that comes with performing) with the other guys.