Mike and Bruce Tour 2015

[CenturyDeprived]

If it was "Love and Mercy" or "In My Car" or "Lay Down Burden" or "Imagination," there might be a cogent argument to be made. That was solo work.  And, who knows, maybe they will cover some of those some day...I had truly wished they had done "Love and Mercy" to close C50. But, it wasn't my choice.  

In what way is "In My Car" a solo song? It's on a Beach Boys album and features at least three original Beach Boys (Brian, Carl and Al).

In the way that it was recorded as a BW solo track and offered for the album, as Bruce told me, "very late... big surprise". Carl and Alan's vocals are so obviously later overdubs.

Kinda like Caroline, No? And a good hunk of Brian's best tracks were essentially Brian doing all the music on his own in a solo manner, with the Boys coming in for later overdubs. Not even sure what this discussion is about, just chiming in to say that IMC should not be considered any less a BB song than quite a few other highly regarded BB songs.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Last time I checked, it appeared that many people seem to enjoy this board. Just cruise the amount of posts here on any given day and one can see the healthy glow it casts. No cancer, no heart disease, no life ending content going on,  well, maybe a little high blood pressure, but the mods help to get that down to acceptable levels when it gets out of control. The only thing I see are OPINIONS of this, that, or the other thing. Generally speaking, there are no rights or wrongs when it comes to opinions, is there, really?? What is interesting is how most here stick to what they believe one thing or the other. There's your board-without honest opinion, this board would not exist and should these opinions whether "for" or "against" anything be silenced, we risk a compromise of any sort of democracy here. That would certainly suck the very life out of this or any other entity. Don't like what you read here? Fine. No problem, right? Are you man enough to read it? Are you man enough to move on and go to the next post or are you going let it ruin your little day? For instance, and I make absolutely no apologies for not liking Mike Love, so I state my OPINION. If you don't like it, oh well, life goes on in Beach Boys land.
I'll check with the mods later but it doesn't appear that anyone has suffered premature death because of what I've posted about him. But, if you find that your skin is a bit too thin to handle anything you don't want to hear, I have the answer-go to "The Vibe Room"-it's a wonderful, very quiet, little place where EVERYONE loves Mike Love and everything he does no matter what! Trust me, you'll never want to come back here ever again.  

Interesting. So you can write coherently and spell properly. Rumbled.  

Yes, I can. But fess up, isn't it more fun to be obtuse most of the time?? Huh, huh?  

[CenturyDeprived]

So, the "history" outweighs the music for "some people". I pity them, I truly do.

The sad thing is, and I am not trying to be inflammatory, but this very quote of yours could apply to Mike... it seems his feelings regarding history, of being slighted throughout BB history, or slighted in terms of public perception, have informed his actions which clearly show that a great many petty things, including a deep and unflinching respect for SED® (Set End Date) have "outweighed the music", so to speak. You know it's true. And speaking of pity, I pity that a man who stands for peace, love and positivity could have such a warped mindset of prioritization, particularly because the music that they collectively were making as a whole means a great deal to me, and I for one make no apologies for venting about his widely-regarded-as-ridiculous actions.

[CenturyDeprived]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

[Autotune]

So, the "history" outweighs the music for "some people". I pity them, I truly do.

The sad thing is, and I am not trying to be inflammatory, but this very quote of yours could apply to Mike... it seems his feelings regarding history, of being slighted throughout BB history, or slighted in terms of public perception, have informed his actions which clearly show that a great many petty things, including a deep and unflinching respect for SED® (Set End Date) have "outweighed the music", so to speak. You know it's true. And speaking of pity, I pity that a man who stands for peace, love and positivity could have such a warped mindset of prioritization, particularly because the music that they collectively were making as a whole means a great deal to me, and I for one make no apologies for venting about his widely-regarded-as-ridiculous actions.

The problem is, you and others try to give Mike what you think is his due, by filling up threads with anti-Mike posts, endless guessing and off-base remarks. You do yourself and others no favor. Other posters have beans to do with the things Mike said, says, does or did, and yet suffer all the time the consequences of your (and other people's) peculiar sense of justice. Derailing a thread of people celebrating Mike's concerts hurts that people, period. We know what you and others believe regarding Mike's actions and sayings, because you remind us in every thread you post in. Can't you just let go a little bit?

[The Cincinnati Kid]

So, the "history" outweighs the music for "some people". I pity them, I truly do.

The sad thing is, and I am not trying to be inflammatory, but this very quote of yours could apply to Mike... it seems his feelings regarding history, of being slighted throughout BB history, or slighted in terms of public perception, have informed his actions which clearly show that a great many petty things, including a deep and unflinching respect for SED® (Set End Date) have "outweighed the music", so to speak. You know it's true. And speaking of pity, I pity that a man who stands for peace, love and positivity could have such a warped mindset of prioritization, particularly because the music that they collectively were making as a whole means a great deal to me, and I for one make no apologies for venting about his widely-regarded-as-ridiculous actions.

The problem is, you and others try to give Mike what you think is his due, by filling up threads of anti-Mike posts, endless guessing and off-base remarks. You do yourself and others no favor. Other posters have beans to do with the things Mike said, says, does or did, and yet suffer all the time the consequences of your (and other people's) peculiar sense of justice. Derailing a thread of people celebrating Mike's concerts hurts that people, period. We know what you and others believe regarding Mike's actions and sayings, because you remind us in every thread you post in. Can't you just let go a little bit?

Well said!

[Marty Castillo]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

I'm new here, can you define a Kokomaoist? It seems it is being used in a derogatory manor and I'm curious if I fall in this category...

For the record, I love the Beach Boys. I was introduced to their music at a young age (in the 1980s), but happen to enjoy the song Kokomo (already a fan when it came out). I also happen to believe all the members of the band have their flaws. Some seem to be forgiven no matter how terrible their actions, while others can never live them down.

[filledeplage]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

[drbeachboy]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target. 

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle? 

I'm new here, can you define a Kokomaoist? It seems it is being used in a derogatory manor and I'm curious if I fall in this category...

For the record, I love the Beach Boys. I was introduced to their music at a young age (in the 1980s), but happen to enjoy the song Kokomo (already a fan when it came out). I also happen to believe all the members of the band have their flaws. Some seem to be forgiven no matter how terrible their actions, while others can never live them down.

If you are a fan of the Beach Boys, then you are a Kokomoaist. If you have even the slightest leanings toward liking Mike and/or Bruce then you are a Kokomoaist. If you think Brian isn't the only important Beach Boy then you are a Kokomoaist. Since you like Kokomo, then God forbid, you are indeed a Kokomoaist.

[Autotune]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

Fille and others: could you please refrain from these lengthy, tangential discussions? There are similar discussion topics all over the board and somehow we are helping some people accomplish their job: i.e. not celebrating and commenting the recent GB tour.

[filledeplage]

If it was "Love and Mercy" or "In My Car" or "Lay Down Burden" or "Imagination," there might be a cogent argument to be made. That was solo work.  And, who knows, maybe they will cover some of those some day...I had truly wished they had done "Love and Mercy" to close C50. But, it wasn't my choice.  

In what way is "In My Car" a solo song? It's on a Beach Boys album and features at least three original Beach Boys (Brian, Carl and Al).

In the way that it was recorded as a BW solo track and offered for the album, as Bruce told me, "very late... big surprise". Carl and Alan's vocals are so obviously later overdubs.

Kinda like Caroline, No? And a good hunk of Brian's best tracks were essentially Brian doing all the music on his own in a solo manner, with the Boys coming in for later overdubs. Not even sure what this discussion is about, just chiming in to say that IMC should not be considered any less a BB song than quite a few other highly regarded BB songs.

On YouTube there is at least one IMC , circa 1988, with Brian doing a solo performance, and Landy (who was a co-writer, not credited on the BB Still Crusin') not far away.  It was apparently initially meant for a Brian solo album, of course with the doc.  "Brains and Genius" ring a bell?

And not like Caroline No.

[filledeplage]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

Fille and others: could you please refrain from these lengthy, tangential discussions? There are similar discussion topics all over the board and somehow we are helping some people accomplish their job: i.e. not celebrating and commenting the recent GB tour.

Autotune - I was asked several questions. I responded to each of them.  This thread is for general 2015 Touring Band info.  Maybe one should be dedicated to this recent great GB tour?

[CenturyDeprived]

So, the "history" outweighs the music for "some people". I pity them, I truly do.

The sad thing is, and I am not trying to be inflammatory, but this very quote of yours could apply to Mike... it seems his feelings regarding history, of being slighted throughout BB history, or slighted in terms of public perception, have informed his actions which clearly show that a great many petty things, including a deep and unflinching respect for SED® (Set End Date) have "outweighed the music", so to speak. You know it's true. And speaking of pity, I pity that a man who stands for peace, love and positivity could have such a warped mindset of prioritization, particularly because the music that they collectively were making as a whole means a great deal to me, and I for one make no apologies for venting about his widely-regarded-as-ridiculous actions.

The problem is, you and others try to give Mike what you think is his due, by filling up threads with anti-Mike posts, endless guessing and off-base remarks. You do yourself and others no favor. Other posters have beans to do with the things Mike said, says, does or did, and yet suffer all the time the consequences of your (and other people's) peculiar sense of justice. Derailing a thread of people celebrating Mike's concerts hurts that people, period. We know what you and others believe regarding Mike's actions and sayings, because you remind us in every thread you post in. Can't you just let go a little bit?

I don't happen to think my remark that you quoted is particularly off-base, and I was simply pointing out irony. Fans who are vocal about having issues with some of Mike's decisions are accused of having priorities out of whack (and maybe we do - at least I can concede to admit it!), but we aren't the only ones! Hypocrisy in what certain posters choose to not point out bugs me. I think that people like me are motivated to post more when seeing a clutch of people who cannot bring themselves to ever type out that there is an element of truth to those types of remarks (even when I think that they probably actually see quite a bit of truth in them, but would prefer to quietly sweep everything under the rug). I actually also said a number of positive things about Mike and his band adding deeper cuts to their setlist. But if I dare to not say complete gushing praise, and if I also dare to mention some things that still bug me, I get accused of derailing threads.  Being honest with ones' feelings is frowned upon, and muzzling is requested. Sounds like a great plan to me.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Last time I checked, it appeared that many people seem to enjoy this board. Just cruise the amount of posts here on any given day and one can see the healthy glow it casts. No cancer, no heart disease, no life ending content going on,  well, maybe a little high blood pressure, but the mods help to get that down to acceptable levels when it gets out of control. The only thing I see are OPINIONS of this, that, or the other thing. Generally speaking, there are no rights or wrongs when it comes to opinions, is there, really?? What is interesting is how most here stick to what they believe one thing or the other. There's your board-without honest opinion, this board would not exist and should these opinions whether "for" or "against" anything be silenced, we risk a compromise of any sort of democracy here. That would certainly suck the very life out of this or any other entity. Don't like what you read here? Fine. No problem, right? Are you man enough to read it? Are you man enough to move on and go to the next post or are you going let it ruin your little day? For instance, and I make absolutely no apologies for not liking Mike Love, so I state my OPINION. If you don't like it, oh well, life goes on in Beach Boys land.
I'll check with the mods later but it doesn't appear that anyone has suffered premature death because of what I've posted about him. But, if you find that your skin is a bit too thin to handle anything you don't want to hear, I have the answer-go to "The Vibe Room"-it's a wonderful, very quiet, little place where EVERYONE loves Mike Love and everything he does no matter what! Trust me, you'll never want to come back here ever again.  

Interesting. So you can write coherently and spell properly. Rumbled.  

Yes, I can. But fess up, isn't it more fun to be obtuse most of the time?? Huh, huh?  

There's a considerable difference between being obtuse (or trying to be) and being a troll. That's just my opinion of course, but I feel it has some merit.

[CenturyDeprived]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

Well, regardless of Kokomaoist label or not, you did a swell job of not answering my hypothetical question. I'm not trying to determine the parameters of Stamos actually doing a thing in his busy schedule. Did you really think that was what I was getting at?   I'm just trying to prove a point that some people, even if they think Stamos is a joke, would magically have no problem with such a situation if it occurred, if it would mean having to say something less than positive about Mike's decisions. The fact that the heart of the question got avoided sorta kinda proved my point.

[filledeplage]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

Well, regardless of Kokomaoist label or not, you did a swell job of not answering my hypothetical question. I'm just trying to prove a point that some people, even if they think Stamos is a joke, would magically have no problem with such a situation if it occurred, if it would mean having to say something less than positive about Mike's decisions.

A swell job of "not answering" a "hypothetical question" that was not "hypothetical" in the least?  It appears that the question was "projecting" as to whether that was a future possibility. 

It was a "what are the odds that he would be a permanent touring band member?" That was the question, thinly-veiled.
Seriously.

[CenturyDeprived]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

Well, regardless of Kokomaoist label or not, you did a swell job of not answering my hypothetical question. I'm just trying to prove a point that some people, even if they think Stamos is a joke, would magically have no problem with such a situation if it occurred, if it would mean having to say something less than positive about Mike's decisions.

A swell job of "not answering" a "hypothetical question" that was not "hypothetical" in the least?  It appears that the question was "projecting" as to whether that was a future possibility.  

It was a "what are the odds that he would be a permanent touring band member?" That was the question, thinly-veiled.
Seriously.

No, my question in case it was unclear, was would a chunk of people on this board still not be able to find fault in Mike's decision if Stamos were to assume a massively large role in the band as a lead vocalist, cowriter, musical contributor, etc. Not pondering the likelihood of why that is unlikely - I know that is unlikely. Simply pondering whether that decision  (if, nevertheless, it was to still actually happen, despite all odds - strange things happen in BB world) would still be praised due to an unwillingness to criticize certain bandmembers. If you'd rather focus about why it's an unlikely thing to happen, instead of actually answering my question and heaven forbid admitting that I have a point, well please go right ahead and keep doing it.  

[filledeplage]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

Well, regardless of Kokomaoist label or not, you did a swell job of not answering my hypothetical question. I'm just trying to prove a point that some people, even if they think Stamos is a joke, would magically have no problem with such a situation if it occurred, if it would mean having to say something less than positive about Mike's decisions.

A swell job of "not answering" a "hypothetical question" that was not "hypothetical" in the least?  It appears that the question was "projecting" as to whether that was a future possibility.  

It was a "what are the odds that he would be a permanent touring band member?" That was the question, thinly-veiled.
Seriously.

No, my question in case it was unclear, was would a chunk of people on this board still not be able to find fault in Mike's decision if Stamos were to assume a massively large role in the band as a lead vocalist, cowriter, musical contributor, etc. Not pondering the likelihood of why that is unlikely - I know that is unlikely. Simply pondering whether that decision  (if nevertheless it was to happen despite all odds - strange things happen in BB world) would still be praised due to an unwillingness to criticize certain bandmembers.

It boils down to utter speculation. Band business is none of my business, until it is public business, and I don't lose sleep over any of it. Pondering? Speculating? Not my thing.  It is like speculation over political candidates prior to the primary election. I don't do it. I let them "duke it out." And then, look at the results.

Strange things have happened in BB world, I agree.  Unlikely things, but, overall wonderful things, such as C50, Smile and MIC.  Social media doesn't run the BB's.  The BB's run the BB's.

[mikeddonn]

If it was "Love and Mercy" or "In My Car" or "Lay Down Burden" or "Imagination," there might be a cogent argument to be made. That was solo work.  And, who knows, maybe they will cover some of those some day...I had truly wished they had done "Love and Mercy" to close C50. But, it wasn't my choice.  

In what way is "In My Car" a solo song? It's on a Beach Boys album and features at least three original Beach Boys (Brian, Carl and Al).

In the way that it was recorded as a BW solo track and offered for the album, as Bruce told me, "very late... big surprise". Carl and Alan's vocals are so obviously later overdubs.

Was most of the TWGMTR album not the same?  Lead lines/vocals aside there are not a lot of Beach Boys in the blend (to my ears).  It sounds more to me like a Brian Wilson album with a few guest vocals here and there.  The most Beach Boys sounding track (vocal wise) is Isn't It Time, where all the Beach Boys (and off course Jeff) are clearly audible.  Maybe it's because there are so many Brian leads which is not a common thing for a Beach Boys album.

[Jim V.]

Everything becomes blown out of proportion for nothing.  And the insults fly, "Stamos" threads become created, out of frustration, because he is an easy target.  

I have no real problem with Stamos as a dude, seeing he is a lucky BB fanboy, and seems like a good guy without ego issues. But I do wonder what would happen if Mike started deeply incorporating Stamos musically into the M&B sets. Like having Stamos sing 50+% of the songs in every set. Including Surf's Up. Would Kokomaoists be down with that, or would even Cam find finally buckle?  

Stamos is lucky. First, do you really think that a guy who is apparently in such demand (whether you care for his work or not) for commercials, or theater or a TV series, has 200 or so days a year, to account for BB travel to venues, a day or so on either end, and give up his "day job" to be a touring band member?  Seriously.

Second, the term Kokomaoist is a pejorative one.  Using it "frames your argument" with underlying bias. Please don't use my post with either that term or the similarly pejorative one for Brian's band.  I'm a BB fan.  

Third, could he play well enough to do this job? Maybe.  He does a very respectable job on percussion, was doing gigs with Carl, who, as I read was a pretty rigorous taskmaster on tour.  He has a nice spot as a guest. And he is a big enough fan to know the words.  It works for lots of young concertgoers, and not so much for haters.  

Do I think that is a reality? Absolutely not.

And what does Cam have to do with this? Only on this board could there be an "arranged marriage" with not even one email between the parties.  

What do you think of the John Stamos' Beach Boys movie that made Brian look like an absolute buffoon?

[Jim V.]

Maybe it's because there are so many Brian leads which is not a common thing for a Beach Boys album.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

[Dave in KC]

Wow. Ike (and group)does a great job here.

You Still Believe In Me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uT-jQ_BwQ8

Again, too slow but still nice.

[The Cincinnati Kid]

Maybe it's because there are so many Brian leads which is not a common thing for a Beach Boys album.

 

One album out of 29?  You sure proved your point! 

[Jim V.]

Maybe it's because there are so many Brian leads which is not a common thing for a Beach Boys album.

 

One album out of 29?  You sure proved your point! 

I know! It's like a totally obscure album. It's totally not the only Beach Boys studio album that many people own.  It's not the album people think of when they think of The Beach Boys! It's just one album. And surely that album (and the making of it) had no effect on TWGMTR!

Riiiiiiight.