Smiley Smile done right?

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

From the SS/WH twofer notes:
A version of this was recorded on 1/27/67, the same day as the "Cantina" section of "Heroes and Villains".  It is possible that at one point, "Whistle In" was part of "Heroes and Villains".

Ipso facto.....

IT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

Plus, nothing like this has ever been booted or put on the Smile Sessions box, so hrrrm. :\


Above all else, I guess I meant more that "Whistle In" wasn't derived from anything we'd heard.

I thin that SS/WH notes indicate that "Whistle in" has origin in Smile´s "Whistling bridge", perhaps even in "All day"?? For this second  just lyrically, but "Whistlin bridge" is certainly origin of SS Whistle in.
Just my opinion.

Performed with a similar feel, but not the same music.  "Whistle In" is the music from the chorus of "Look" combined with what is basically the vocal melody of the end of "Do You Like Worms."  That's how "Whistle In" comes from "Smile."

So...it is (loosely) derived from Worms? This thread is really throwing me for a loop. I still like the idea of Whistling Bridge into Whistle In as the fade to Heroes though. Sounds like a beautiful new idea for a song that's already been remixed a hundred different ways.

[runnersdialzero]

Performed with a similar feel, but not the same music.  "Whistle In" is the music from the chorus of "Look" combined with what is basically the vocal melody of the end of "Do You Like Worms."  That's how "Whistle In" comes from "Smile."

I really, really don't think any of this is true.

[runnersdialzero]

I know "Whistling bridge" isn´t "Whistle in" , but SSWH notes say that "version" of "Whistle in" was recorded on 27th January 1967, and therefore I´m convinced that this "version" is "Whistlin bridge".
But let´s remember that "Bedroom tapes", if we can call them that way, started with "Whiste in"! Here´s qoute:
""Whistle In" (alternate versions) - Alternately, one could argue that a number of spirited takes of "Whistle In," from summer '67, are characteristic of the way Wilson attached himself to a basic riff and noodled with it endlessly during the 'Bedroom' years. "
http://www.laweekly.com/music/brian-wilsons-secret-bedroom-tapes-a-track-by-track-description-4479099

Ah, gotcha - that totally makes sense and, looking at Andrew's site, "Whistling Bridge" was indeed recorded on January 27th.

[The Demon]

Performed with a similar feel, but not the same music.  "Whistle In" is the music from the chorus of "Look" combined with what is basically the vocal melody of the end of "Do You Like Worms."  That's how "Whistle In" comes from "Smile."

I really, really don't think any of this is true.

You genuinely hear no resemblance at all?  "Wahala loo lay / Wahala loo la" v. "Remember the day / Remember the night..."? 

[Gerry]

Since being a fan in 1968 I've often thought that SS was the worst piece of crap the BB's ever put out. It almost single-handedly destroyed their career.They were constantly playing catch-up from this point on. Bad judgement and decision making led to the release of this album (which can happen when you're smoking too much hash). When you consider what Brian was working on and then this comes out, well , that's no way to compete with the Beatles. Now of course I have changed my mind about SS, it's no longer the worst piece of crap the Beach Boys have put out; Summer in Paradise is.

[sockittome]

Performed with a similar feel, but not the same music.  "Whistle In" is the music from the chorus of "Look" combined with what is basically the vocal melody of the end of "Do You Like Worms."  That's how "Whistle In" comes from "Smile."

I really, really don't think any of this is true.

You genuinely hear no resemblance at all?  "Wahala loo lay / Wahala loo la" v. "Remember the day / Remember the night..."? 

Slight.  I hear similarities with the music style, tempo, the number of syllables, etc.  but not the melody so much.   Don't forget that EVERYTHING in SMiLE is related in some way. 

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Since being a fan in 1968 I've often thought that SS was the worst piece of crap the BB's ever put out. It almost single-handedly destroyed their career.They were constantly playing catch-up from this point on. Bad judgement and decision making led to the release of this album (which can happen when you're smoking too much hash). When you consider what Brian was working on and then this comes out, well , that's no way to compete with the Beatles. Now of course I have changed my mind about SS, it's no longer the worst piece of crap the Beach Boys have put out; Summer in Paradise is.

I think everyone goes through an anti-SS phase in their Beach Boys fandom. I think it was the shelving of SMiLE and no-show at Monterey that killed them though, not so much releasing this. Ironically, if they waited a few more months, Smiley may have fit right in with the back to basics movement of mid to late 1968. It was just too ahead of the Times.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Since being a fan in 1968 I've often thought that SS was the worst piece of crap the BB's ever put out. It almost single-handedly destroyed their career.They were constantly playing catch-up from this point on. Bad judgement and decision making led to the release of this album (which can happen when you're smoking too much hash). When you consider what Brian was working on and then this comes out, well , that's no way to compete with the Beatles. Now of course I have changed my mind about SS, it's no longer the worst piece of crap the Beach Boys have put out; Summer in Paradise is.

Welcome to the SS board Gerry!! I can see by your post that you've got excellent taste. Keep up the splendid work, dude. This is a three wooter if I ever saw one!

[puni puni]

You genuinely hear no resemblance at all?  "Wahala loo lay / Wahala loo la" v. "Remember the day / Remember the night..."? 

And also "well it rained on the mountain --". Similar rhythm and identical intervals. Nobody says that Sweet Mountain came from Do You Like Worms.

The more repetitive Smile / Smiley Smile compositions can be so ridiculously simple (I - V - I - V and I - IV - V7 left and right) that it's inevitable some songs will sound like others. Because they're the same common progressions used millions of times before, and not just by the Beach Boys.

[runnersdialzero]

Performed with a similar feel, but not the same music.  "Whistle In" is the music from the chorus of "Look" combined with what is basically the vocal melody of the end of "Do You Like Worms."  That's how "Whistle In" comes from "Smile."

I really, really don't think any of this is true.

You genuinely hear no resemblance at all?  "Wahala loo lay / Wahala loo la" v. "Remember the day / Remember the night..."? 

It's only a similarity in rhythm, and only for all of about three notes - after that, the melodies and rhythms go in totally different directions. Like I said a bit ago, the bridge of "Worms" sounds closer to the solo of "Santa's Beard" than "Whistle In" - where are the claims that "Worms" is totally derived from "Santa's Beard"? It's just a coincidence, that's all.

[runnersdialzero]

Since being a fan in 1968 I've often thought that SS was the worst piece of crap the BB's ever put out. It almost single-handedly destroyed their career.They were constantly playing catch-up from this point on. Bad judgement and decision making led to the release of this album (which can happen when you're smoking too much hash). When you consider what Brian was working on and then this comes out, well , that's no way to compete with the Beatles. Now of course I have changed my mind about SS, it's no longer the worst piece of crap the Beach Boys have put out; Summer in Paradise is.

Smiley Smile was the album that took me from curious to being a fan. Hearing someone say, "That's no way to compete with the Beatles!" makes me want to HEAVE. FROM MY ASS

[The Demon]

And also "well it rained on the mountain --". Similar rhythm and identical intervals. Nobody says that Sweet Mountain came from Do You Like Worms.

Probably because they really don't resemble each other.  Even if you don't fully agree with me, you must admit there is a much larger resemblance between the three songs I discussed in comparison to any resemblance between "Worms" and "Sweet Mountain." 

Like I said a bit ago, the bridge of "Worms" sounds closer to the solo of "Santa's Beard" than "Whistle In" - where are the claims that "Worms" is totally derived from "Santa's Beard"? It's just a coincidence, that's all.

I see what you're saying, but of course the "Santa's Beard" seems derived from "Jingle Bells."  I'm not saying the melodies between "Worms" and "Whistle In" are an exact match, but they seem far more related.

I think everyone goes through an anti-SS phase in their Beach Boys fandom.

Not once. 

[Gerry]

Heaving can be good for the soul... if you have one

[runnersdialzero]

Heaving can be good for the soul... if you have one

I have six.

Like I said a bit ago, the bridge of "Worms" sounds closer to the solo of "Santa's Beard" than "Whistle In" - where are the claims that "Worms" is totally derived from "Santa's Beard"? It's just a coincidence, that's all.

I see what you're saying, but of course the "Santa's Beard" seems derived from "Jingle Bells."  I'm not saying the melodies between "Worms" and "Whistle In" are an exact match, but they seem far more related.
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So you're telling me "Whistle In" is just a big ripoff of "Jingle Bells." I can totally sing "Jingle bells. Jingle bells... jingle all the way" over the "Worms" bridge.