Did Love You have the BBs name on it cuz...

[kookadams]

Re your MIU q's: on, err, realising they owed Warners an album, the TM axis and Brian split to Marharishi Uni,IL, produced a Christmas album then submitted late '77, to which Warner's said no way, so new lyrics and some new songs were slapped together springish '78 and submitted, accepted cranked out as MIU.

yep, and peggy sue and come go w me from the 15 big ones sessions....just like how love you had good time from 70/1 and suzie cincinnati on 15 big ones...

[Nicko1234]

Re your MIU q's: on, err, realising they owed Warners an album, the TM axis and Brian split to Marharishi Uni,IL, produced a Christmas album then submitted late '77, to which Warner's said no way, so new lyrics and some new songs were slapped together springish '78 and submitted, accepted cranked out as MIU.

Hasn`t this been disproven now?

I thought that they worked on both the Christmas songs and the non-festive numbers simultaneously.

[phirnis]

Talking about the MIU sessions, I really wish Brian and the group would've made a late-70s album consisting of songs such as Mike Come Back to L.A., How's About a Little Bit, and Do Ya. Brian (with the help of collaborators) had some really good quirky singalong stuff going at the time.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Re your MIU q's: on, err, realising they owed Warners an album, the TM axis and Brian split to Marharishi Uni,IL, produced a Christmas album then submitted late '77, to which Warner's said no way, so new lyrics and some new songs were slapped together springish '78 and submitted, accepted cranked out as MIU.

Not so. The 1977 Christmas album was never submitted because, in essence, it never existed. One look at the sessions at MIU shows that seasonal songs were recorded in tandem with non seasonal tracks. Also, to submit an Xmas album for 1977 that was still being recorded in early December ? Don't think so.

[Smile4ever]

To me it's every bit as much a BB album as Pet Sounds.

Which, ironically, was also basically a Brian Wilson solo album.  

Don't think so at all. Wouldn't be remotely the same without the other guys' voices.

I think Smile4ever referred to the themes, and writing. From that point of view, he/she is quite right. After all, almost all of the tracks were conceived by Brian and Tony Asher (Asher translating Brian's ideas). Those are all Brian songs. Remember, "Caroline No" was even released as Brian's first solo single. Brian wanted to make that particular album. The BBs were his vessels, so to speak.

Yes, that's what I meant. Agree completely. And yes, I am a "he." 

[Alan Smith]

Re your MIU q's: on, err, realising they owed Warners an album, the TM axis and Brian split to Marharishi Uni,IL, produced a Christmas album then submitted late '77, to which Warner's said no way, so new lyrics and some new songs were slapped together springish '78 and submitted, accepted cranked out as MIU.

Not so. The 1977 Christmas album was never submitted because, in essence, it never existed. One look at the sessions at MIU shows that seasonal songs were recorded in tandem with non seasonal tracks. Also, to submit an Xmas album for 1977 that was still being recorded in early December ? Don't think so.

Ah, thanks for the point in the right direction AGD - I sucked most of my initial post from the '04 edition of your book (btw, not saying that to be a smart ass).  On reading your reply, it dawned on me  to double check the Bellagio tours and sessions section - given the book is a tad out of date.

In order to help me better understand, and I think I'm clear now, I slapped together the following at lunchtime, and sharing it here for anyone else who cares about this sort of stuff (and re MI-freaking-U, no less).



http://postimg.org/image/5kc81qnp1/


I still have a couple of q's if anyone is happy to answer - re the Christmas offerings - agree submitting an XMAS album in December wouldn't fly - but even recording/submitting in November would still be equal folly if aiming for a Dec '77 release, surely?

Did Warners "reject" anything prior to the Master that was prepared in April '78?

Also note, the 10 March 78 session is a bit dubious given the band were in Australia at the time - refer the intro notes as per Bellagio.

[kookadams]

I read that the 2nd xmas album was what they intended to record when they went to iowa and then the label rejected it and they then changed lyrics and made MIU,  while they were simotameously on both labels.

[Alan Smith]

See above

[JK]

If love you aint a punk rock album I dunno what is/

It's probably just me but I fail to see even the vaguest connection between punk and the BB at any stage in their career. If anything, Love You is an outsider album----both the music and the lyrics (sometimes one, sometimes the other, often both) qualify it as outsider music in my warped view of things.   

[phirnis]

If love you aint a punk rock album I dunno what is/

It's probably just me but I fail to see even the vaguest connection between punk and the BB at any stage in their career. If anything, Love You is an outsider album----both the music and the lyrics (sometimes one, sometimes the other, often both) qualify it as outsider music in my warped view of things.   

I guess you could say there's a certain energy to some of their live performances that is somewhat reminiscent of what punk would bring later on. But other than that I'm not convinced either.

[Dancing Bear]

Well...

Punk = Cool

Love You is cool.

Love You is punk.

[kookadams]

Well considering that with no BBs there woulda been no ramones or clash,,, and love you has a raw energy that to me fits in very well with the punkrock of that time...

[Ron]

The way I've always thought about "Love You" is, you have to take into account how things were going with them at the time.  Presumably, you had Dr. Landy essentially whipping Brian into shape in the previous year, and apparently part of his therapy was an insistence that Brian go back to work... writing, singing, touring, etc.  So you end up with a mentally ill man who at the time wasn't being medicated (thankfully, since Landy later over medicated him) but was sober and fairly, physically healthy (cigarettes be damned). 

So Brian gets healthy and starts working again... on the previous couple albums he hadn't done sh*t, basically... so around the time 15 big ones rolls around, he starts writing again, and by the time "Love You" is conceived, he's literally written an entire album worth of songs.

The whole notion of a solo album was probably just because at that moment, he had came up with everything, whereas on the previous Beach Boys albums he hadn't done much and the group shouldered much more of the responsibility.  Even though he was back touring with them, he had been living for years as almost an outsider, not a full member of the touring band but of course THE founding member of the band with the respect an older brother demands. 

I would imagine that it wasn't really Brian that wanted it to be a solo album... he was just writing songs as part of his therapy, trying to do his job... since he had spent years in this weird "I'm not going to do much but I still get a bunch of the money and I dare you to say anything about it" place... the other Beach Boys likely weren't sure if he was going to 'give' them those songs. 

He very well could have just 'kept' all the songs and made a solo album, but was generous enough or was coerced enough to make it a album with the other beach boys.  We're all the better for it!

Just my take on it.  I could be completely wrong, I wasn't there.

 

[RangeRoverA1]

Punk = Cool

You could say it about each & every music genre, extent varies.

[SloopJohnnyB]

Where does Dennis and Pacific Ocean Blue figure in all of this. If Brian went solo with Love You would Dennis have followed with POB? Were both Brain and Dennis going solo at the same time? I wonder is they discussed this. Time frame seems the same.

[Ron]

I think Dennis was the George of the group.  Writes a bunch of stuff, nobody wants to put it on the album, so he starts wanting to put it out himself instead.  I personally dont' think Brian ever wanted to go solo (or not until '88 or so)