Mike and Al performing together again?

[SMiLE Brian]

The BBs have chosen not to work with each other on their own free will and you need to accept that. I honestly think you bought into the C50 promo material too much, these guys have baggage that is hard to ignore even on big name tours. I suggest you stop listening to TWGMTR obsessively and move on with your life. Using terms like Melinda make you look like a oddball.

[Awesoman]

Didn't the term "Melinda" originate from Carnie?

[Andrew G. Doe]

The Professor is a rhetorician and states things hyberbolically at times to begin discussions of what may unfold.

That's one definition of a troll, yeah.  

[Emdeeh]

Didn't the term "Melinda" originate from Carnie?

Not necessarily, but she was the first one to use the term in a public forum (quote in a RollingStone article, iirc).

[the professor]

heavens, the last thing I would want to look like in this forum is an oddball. I thank you all for trying to fix me, but I am happy the way I am. Perhaps I will find a 24 hour a day doctor or a wife at the used car dealer who will make decisions for me and protect me from all of you.

the professor wants you to know how much he enjoys this magical camaraderieand, and he would ask you to distinguish properly between a provocateur and  a troll.  and if you do not settle down nicely he will begin to document your comma errors.

[Awesoman]

Didn't the term "Melinda" originate from Carnie?

Not necessarily, but she was the first one to use the term in a public forum (quote in a RollingStone article, iirc).

Well it sounds as if she finds an acceptable comparison between the two individuals, so...

[SMiLE Brian]

heavens, the last thing I would want to look like in this forum is an oddball. I thank you all for trying to fix me, but I am happy the way I am. Perhaps I will find a 24 hour a day doctor or a wife at the used car dealer who will make decisions for me and protect me from all of you.

the professor wants you to know how much she enjoys this magical camaraderieand, and he would ask you to distinguish properly between a provocateur and  a troll.  and if you do not settle down nicely he will begin to document your comma errors.

What is your ideal BBs album from Brian and Mike?

[Gohi]

the professor wants you to know how much she enjoys this magical camaraderieand, and he would ask you to distinguish properly between a provocateur and  a troll.  and if you do not settle down nicely he will begin to document your comma errors.

[Foster's Freeze]

Perhaps I will find a 24 hour a day doctor or a wife at the used car dealer who will make decisions for me and protect me from all of you.

O.k., that did make me LOL a little.   

[the professor]

Understood and fixed. I may have an alter ego, but it is not feminine. Good editing Gohi!

the professor wants you to know how much she enjoys this magical camaraderieand, and he would ask you to distinguish properly between a provocateur and  a troll.  and if you do not settle down nicely he will begin to document your comma errors.

[the professor]

I suppose you mean "what could they create together now," or do you mean what is my favorite of existing work? For the former, I believe they could write about their own relationship and friendship; I hear a song there, wistful and meditative.  I could imagine a song about their dads, as well. Lots of emotional issues to explore.  I say that I wish Mike had written Summers Gone, which is a dramatic statement that will be impossible to surpass, and I salute JT for his role there.  It's JT's treatment of Mike that worries me.  I simply contend that Mike and Brian are not dry , and we will have to wait to see if they ever come up with something, if they have a chance. Mind you SV , IIT, and even BIM are strong songs that they worked together on--stronger than Shelter or TPLOBAS or SW, which Mike was not involved in.  BIM is so terribly produced, however, that it is a failure in comparison to what it could have been. It needs total re-production.

Waiting for an update as to what Al is really up to, if anything re: the subject of this thread. . . .

heavens, the last thing I would want to look like in this forum is an oddball. I thank you all for trying to fix me, but I am happy the way I am. Perhaps I will find a 24 hour a day doctor or a wife at the used car dealer who will make decisions for me and protect me from all of you.

the professor wants you to know how much she enjoys this magical camaraderieand, and he would ask you to distinguish properly between a provocateur and  a troll.  and if you do not settle down nicely he will begin to document your comma errors.

What is your ideal BBs album from Brian and Mike?

[Pretty Funky]

Getting back to Al and Mike. According to this story they are talking so you never know after that award show, they may hook up again sometime.


http://www.providencejournal.com/features/entertainment/music/20140408-mike-love-coming-to-cranston-sunday-keeps-the-beach-boys-sound-going.ece


Brian? Yeeeah Nah.



Love said he still speaks to Jardine frequently. Wilson, long considered the creative genius behind the Beach Boys sound, is another story.

Love said you don’t just call Wilson, who has been in fragile mental health for decades, and say hello.

“I was supposed to write songs with him, but apparently that’s not meant to be,” Love said. “Were I able to get in a room with Brian, I could definitely see us writing together. But Brian has ‘people’; he’s pretty much handled by others … I was told we’d be able to get together, but it hasn’t happened.”

[Foster's Freeze]

Love said you don’t just call Wilson, who has been in fragile mental health for decades, and say hello.

“I was supposed to write songs with him, but apparently that’s not meant to be,” Love said. “Were I able to get in a room with Brian, I could definitely see us writing together. But Brian has ‘people’; he’s pretty much handled by others … I was told we’d be able to get together, but it hasn’t happened.”

Just about anytime Mike speaks I cringe because I don't know what controversy he will spark next but his quote above?  That nails it and he's right.  Those people.

[baseball95]

As great as it would be for Al to join the touring group quite honestly would anything really change? He'd sing Rhonda,Sloop and so on but I can't really see Mike saying sure Al we'll add 4 or 5 more songs with you on lead.

[lee]

Probably not but you never know. I think it would be worth it just to have Al singing lead on HMR, WIBN and Sloop. Al could also sing lead on songs like H&V and YSGTM. Maybe even push for songs like All This Is That, California Saga and At My Window to make a random appearance here and there. It could be very cool but doubtful.

[urbanite]

Not a bad interview, nothing controversial there.  Mike and Al have made their peace, it would be good if they could have Al appear at some shows.

[Lowbacca]

How Brian's "people" probably perceive the "room" Mike is always talking about:

[CenturyDeprived]

How Brian's "people" probably perceive the "room" Mike is always talking about:

 

In all seriousness, I think there is a perception in Brian's camp (and probably, IMO, in Brian's own mind/heart) that this mythical "room" (which would put Brian + Mike together to "write freely" without outside "interference") is indeed a place that could (and I stress the word "could") lead to some sort of eventual confrontation/argument, or actions reflecting the avoidance of such - maybe not immediately, but that it might at some point happen - or at the very least, some sort of tough emotional place due to baggage.  It makes sense to me that a guy, with Brian's history, would want to avoid a situation that could lead to those types of feelings.

Maybe it's an overreaction on Brian/Brian's camp's part. But I think that Mike hasn't really shown (publicly, at least) a recognition of an understanding of why Brian would desire to not be in that type of situation - instead, he just complains about being denied this "room" as a way to justify being soured on the whole writing experience (and the souring is understandable), but IMO Mike assumes that such a decision would absolutely, positively not be coming from Brian himself, or at least that's what I infer from Mike's statements. And I don't think that's a fair assumption to make in the absolute.

[urbanite]

Does BW get together with anyone and write songs, or does he write music and send it out for someone to pen the lyrics?

[KittyKat]

How Brian's "people" probably perceive the "room" Mike is always talking about:

 

In all seriousness, I think there is a perception in Brian's camp (and probably, IMO, in Brian's own mind/heart) that this mythical "room" (which would put Brian + Mike together to "write freely" without outside "interference") is indeed a place that could (and I stress the word "could") lead to some sort of eventual confrontation/argument, or actions reflecting the avoidance of such - maybe not immediately, but that it might at some point happen - or at the very least, some sort of tough emotional place due to baggage.  It makes sense to me that a guy, with Brian's history, would want to avoid a situation that could lead to those types of feelings.

Maybe it's an overreaction on Brian/Brian's camp's part. But I think that Mike hasn't really shown (publicly, at least) a recognition of an understanding of why Brian would desire to not be in that type of situation - instead, he just complains about being denied this "room" as a way to justify being soured on the whole writing experience (and the souring is understandable), but IMO Mike assumes that such a decision would absolutely, positively not be coming from Brian himself, or at least that's what I infer from Mike's statements. And I don't think that's a fair assumption to make in the absolute.

You also compared Mike to Murry Wilson in the Ronda tapes, saying that's how you believed Mike behaved during Smile, as if one sentence asking what some lyrics mean is comparable to a twenty minute tantrum.

[CenturyDeprived]

How Brian's "people" probably perceive the "room" Mike is always talking about:

 

In all seriousness, I think there is a perception in Brian's camp (and probably, IMO, in Brian's own mind/heart) that this mythical "room" (which would put Brian + Mike together to "write freely" without outside "interference") is indeed a place that could (and I stress the word "could") lead to some sort of eventual confrontation/argument, or actions reflecting the avoidance of such - maybe not immediately, but that it might at some point happen - or at the very least, some sort of tough emotional place due to baggage.  It makes sense to me that a guy, with Brian's history, would want to avoid a situation that could lead to those types of feelings.

Maybe it's an overreaction on Brian/Brian's camp's part. But I think that Mike hasn't really shown (publicly, at least) a recognition of an understanding of why Brian would desire to not be in that type of situation - instead, he just complains about being denied this "room" as a way to justify being soured on the whole writing experience (and the souring is understandable), but IMO Mike assumes that such a decision would absolutely, positively not be coming from Brian himself, or at least that's what I infer from Mike's statements. And I don't think that's a fair assumption to make in the absolute.

You also compared Mike to Murry Wilson in the Ronda tapes, saying that's how you believed Mike behaved during Smile, as if one sentence asking what some lyrics mean is comparable to a twenty minute tantrum.

I'm just saying that it's fortunate for certain parties that such a tape doesn't exist. I said that if such a tape were to ever surface, that it could possibly give a similar negative impression. But it would be an apples/oranges thing, undoubtedly, and it's pure speculation, yes. None of us (including you and I), without having been there, can quantify the amount of behavior of a certain kind/questions, etc. That said, how did you arrive at a figure of "one sentence"? 

[Sheriff John Stone]

As great as it would be for Al to join the touring group quite honestly would anything really change? He'd sing Rhonda,Sloop and so on but I can't really see Mike saying sure Al we'll add 4 or 5 more songs with you on lead.

Al would add a lot to the live shows. They could easily have Al sing lead on the following songs:

- "Then I Kissed Her"
- "Sloop John B"
- "Wouldn't It Be Nice"
- "Help Me Rhonda"
- "Heroes And Villains"
- "California Dreamin"
- "Cottonfields"
- "Come Go With Me"
- "California Saga"

...and, if they want to dip into the catalogue:

- "Honkin' Down The Highway"
- "Susie Cincinnati"

I'd like to to hear any of those songs with Al singing lead. It would also give the 73+ year old Mike Love a break. I don't think we've heard/seen the last of Al Jardine singing those songs in The Beach Boys.

[KittyKat]

How Brian's "people" probably perceive the "room" Mike is always talking about:

 

In all seriousness, I think there is a perception in Brian's camp (and probably, IMO, in Brian's own mind/heart) that this mythical "room" (which would put Brian + Mike together to "write freely" without outside "interference") is indeed a place that could (and I stress the word "could") lead to some sort of eventual confrontation/argument, or actions reflecting the avoidance of such - maybe not immediately, but that it might at some point happen - or at the very least, some sort of tough emotional place due to baggage.  It makes sense to me that a guy, with Brian's history, would want to avoid a situation that could lead to those types of feelings.

Maybe it's an overreaction on Brian/Brian's camp's part. But I think that Mike hasn't really shown (publicly, at least) a recognition of an understanding of why Brian would desire to not be in that type of situation - instead, he just complains about being denied this "room" as a way to justify being soured on the whole writing experience (and the souring is understandable), but IMO Mike assumes that such a decision would absolutely, positively not be coming from Brian himself, or at least that's what I infer from Mike's statements. And I don't think that's a fair assumption to make in the absolute.

"Fortunate for certain parties that such a tape doesn't exist"? What the hell does that mean?  You must have learned everything you know about Brian and Mike from Brian's book "Wouldn't It Be Nice." Which is a crock of bull***. Van Dyke Parks said Mike asked him what the lyrics about the crows meant. Nothing else. I really, sincerely doubt that Mike threw a big tantrum or yelled or yelled at Brian or anything like that, because no one ever said he did such a thing. If he did, they would have, don't you think? Equating Mike with Murry Wilson seems to be of the school of thought that Mike is as responsible for Brian's problems as Murry. You really stretch things out to make Mike look like a bully. That in itself is a type of bullying.

[CenturyDeprived]

How Brian's "people" probably perceive the "room" Mike is always talking about:

 

In all seriousness, I think there is a perception in Brian's camp (and probably, IMO, in Brian's own mind/heart) that this mythical "room" (which would put Brian + Mike together to "write freely" without outside "interference") is indeed a place that could (and I stress the word "could") lead to some sort of eventual confrontation/argument, or actions reflecting the avoidance of such - maybe not immediately, but that it might at some point happen - or at the very least, some sort of tough emotional place due to baggage.  It makes sense to me that a guy, with Brian's history, would want to avoid a situation that could lead to those types of feelings.

Maybe it's an overreaction on Brian/Brian's camp's part. But I think that Mike hasn't really shown (publicly, at least) a recognition of an understanding of why Brian would desire to not be in that type of situation - instead, he just complains about being denied this "room" as a way to justify being soured on the whole writing experience (and the souring is understandable), but IMO Mike assumes that such a decision would absolutely, positively not be coming from Brian himself, or at least that's what I infer from Mike's statements. And I don't think that's a fair assumption to make in the absolute.

"Fortunate for certain parties that such a tape doesn't exist"? What the hell does that mean?  You must have learned everything you know about Brian and Mike from Brian's book "Wouldn't It Be Nice." Which is a crock of bull***. Van Dyke Parks said Mike asked him what the lyrics about the crows meant. Nothing else. I really, sincerely doubt that Mike threw a big tantrum or yelled or yelled at Brian or anything like that, because no one ever said he did such a thing. If he did, they would have, don't you think? Equating Mike with Murry Wilson seems to be of the school of thought that Mike is as responsible for Brian's problems as Murry. You really stretch things out to make Mike look like a bully. That in itself is a type of bullying.

I think you're missing what I'm saying: What I'm saying is that *if* a tape existed and leaked online where there was a confrontation/questioning, and *if* that questioning happened to come off in what could be interpreted in a smug way... then I'll bet that certain parties (Mike mainly, but the whole band too in general, most likely) would prefer that such a tape would never see the light of day. I'm NOT equating Mike to Murry. I am saying, however, that such a tape, to many people - right or wrong - would probably be up there in terms of infamy level when compared to the Rhonda tape.
 
The other thing: there doesn't have to have been a "tantrum" or "yelling" for a negative effect to happen to a person, or for somebody to get under another person's skin in a very potent way.  It could be an accumulation of months and months of little things here and there. I don't know this for certain, so I'm just suggesting it as a maybe. You should ideally be speaking in terms of maybes as well.  

And I'll thank you to respectfully please not put words in my mouth or thoughts in my head.

[Nicko1234]

When I saw that there had been more posts in this thread I actually thought that they might have been on topic about said concert. Silly me eh...