Here's a SMiLE Rearrangement Ive been working on. Feedback appreciated.

[alf wiedersehen]

I think we should all take a step back and remember that Mujan is not, in fact, Brian Wilson. Nor is this the only and final version of Smile to ever be posted.

Isn't the point of this to construct it however you want? Isn't that the fun of Smile - it's endless possibilities? This is, after all, his mix of Smile. It's ridiculous to constantly berate the guy for the exclusion of ONE song.

And, hey, if you want "Good Vibrations" so much, smack it on the end of the album. Let us all know how well that fits.

[18thofMay]

Yes that is fine, until you attempt to justify exclusion.  I have pointed out facts a) its on the cover, b) Its in the promo, c) its is on BWPS, d) its on SS box, e) Look ,Listen, Vibrate, SMiLE. Not opinion or conjecture...Not it doesn't fit....Not it's tacked on... Not it's one of dozen songs from that period....

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

I think we should all take a step back and remember that Mujan is not, in fact, Brian Wilson. Nor is this the only and final version of Smile to ever be posted.

Isn't the point of this to construct it however you want? Isn't that the fun of Smile - it's endless possibilities? This is, after all, his mix of Smile. It's ridiculous to constantly berate the guy for the exclusion of ONE song.

And, hey, if you want "Good Vibrations" so much, smack it on the end of the album. Let us all know how well that fits.

^I cannot express my gratitude enough. Thank you. I'm honestly sorry I even posted this here. I was just trying to share a unique take on the album and nobody even gives it a shot just because of one thing they don't like.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Yes that is fine, until you attempt to justify exclusion.  I have pointed out facts a) its on the cover, b) Its in the promo, c) its is on BWPS, d) its on SS box, e) Look ,Listen, Vibrate, SMiLE. Not opinion or conjecture...Not it doesn't fit....Not it's tacked on... Not it's one of dozen songs from that period....

I was just trying to do something different. At the end of the day, that's really all it boils down to. I prefer to leave GV off, you prefer to leave it on. Just. Get. Over it.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Mujan, you're out of order again. Take a chill pill or whatever kids do these days. No-one's bullying you but you're laying into anyone who either fails to flatter you or points out some historical truth that gets in the way of whatever fantasy you've created in your mind.

The only place GVs was tacked on was the BwPS tracklist scenario… amazingly, GVs was contemporaneous with Smile 66/67 and Smiley Smile and couldn't have helped but fit in. It was never "unnecessary". That's a crass way of putting it.

Except...I'm really not. This fella you're defending has constantly gone out of his way to chastise me for the way I made my own mix. He's allowed to be as rude and crude as he pleases, but when I reply in kind I'm "out of line" and "paranoid." Ok. I see he's never gonna drop this stupid point about GV, so I plan on ignoring his posts from now on. But I'm curious why he feels the need to keep coming back to reinforce the same point over and over and publicly endorse anyone else who tells me off.

I don't know what thread you're looking at fella, but I'm not laying into anyone who doesn't flatter me. I've grasciously accepted criticism and praise when it's been given. Most of the time tho, I've been defending the decision to leave off GV against the swarm of people who insist on telling me, over and over, that I'm "wrong" for leaving it off my own personal mix. I get it. Unpopular decision. But I got the message after the dozenth time. Would you people please be so kind as to tell me what else you think, positive or negative about the mix? I genuinely want to know--that's why I posted it. But I get the impression no one here save maybe 5 people even listened to it. All because of GV. When you work on something and you're proud of the results, you want feedback so you share it...it really stings when nobody bothers to check it out because of something trivial like this. If that makes me "too sensitive" then guilty as charged.

Fantasy in my head? You mean my version of SMiLE? The one that doesn't have to be 100% historically accurate?

Oh I'm crass now because I thought GV was unnecessary to BWPS? Sorry for...y'know...having an opinion. I guess.

I thought of all places on the web this would be the best hope for an intelligent discussion on SMiLE and alt versions of it. I see now that that's not gonna happen. But I'm sure you have some bullsh!t reason why that's my fault too for being so "out of line" or whatever. 

[buddhahat]

I listened to your mix and enjoyed it Mujan.

I thought the best bits were where you crossfaded unexpected stuff. I enjoyed the session material in Worms. The a cappella intro to Vegetables works very well - best success of the mix for me. It was also a pleasant surprise to hear the Heroes chants crossfaded into the Vegetables fade. For a moment I couldn't place which song they were from, thinking it was maybe the middle section to wonderful. I love listening to smile when I can't place something and can just enjoy the music at face value.

I also enjoyed your use of the unusual child bridge from Cool Water. It's a section I've wanted to experiment with to see if it can be reconciled with CIFOTM in any way. I find that bridge fascinating as it possibly links CW to CIFOTM and raises the question of whether it is not the water element at all but a cycle of life song. Marilyn's anecdote about Brian drinking chocolate milk from a baby bottle whilst composing it also suggest to me that it was not necessarily the water element or at least not initially so.

So no hard feelings re: the GV disagreement I hope. To clarify my position I never suggested it was a problem leaving it off your mix. It's inevitable that some smile songs and fragments have to be excluded and it's interesting seeing which songs fanmixers omit. Suggesting GV was not intended for Smile, had it been released in 67, is a different discussion entirely and that's where I disagreed with you.

[The Shift]

That bit at 21.48, side one, is something of a revelation. It needs smoothing out a little but otherwise it fits exceptionally well, organically.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

I listened to your mix and enjoyed it Mujan.

I thought the best bits were where you crossfaded unexpected stuff. I enjoyed the session material in Worms. The a cappella intro to Vegetables works very well - best success of the mix for me. It was also a pleasant surprise to hear the Heroes chants crossfaded into the Vegetables fade. For a moment I couldn't place which song they were from, thinking it was maybe the middle section to wonderful. I love listening to smile when I can't place something and can just enjoy the music at face value.

I also enjoyed your use of the unusual child bridge from Cool Water. It's a section I've wanted to experiment with to see if it can be reconciled with CIFOTM in any way. I find that bridge fascinating as it possibly links CW to CIFOTM and raises the question of whether it is not the water element at all but a cycle of life song. Marilyn's anecdote about Brian drinking chocolate milk from a baby bottle whilst composing it also suggest to me that it was not necessarily the water element or at least not initially so.

So no hard feelings re: the GV disagreement I hope. To clarify my position I never suggested it was a problem leaving it off your mix. It's inevitable that some smile songs and fragments have to be excluded and it's interesting seeing which songs fanmixers omit. Suggesting GV was not intended for Smile, had it been released in 67, is a different discussion entirely and that's where I disagreed with you.

No, there's no hard feelings. Just as long as we can move on now, after 100 replies of the same point. I guess it's my fault for not clarifying that when I say I see my mix as 'what SMiLE wouldve been in the 60s' I mean my mix is a two suite, non-BWPS playing order, with no 'help' from BWPS fly-ins and (with the possible exception of CCW, depending on your interpretation) no songs made past the SMiLE Era (no Can't Wait Too Long or Diamond Head, etc.) Not that it's 100% historically accurate and definitely what Brian would've done.

I'm glad you listened and enjoyed it. Truth be told, after sparking up and 'chilling out' as some posters here so politely requested, I got some ideas how to improve things. I'm away from my home computer with all my files and software, so I won't be getting around to it for another two months or so, but...

--I'm gonna experiment with remixing the end of the Vega-Tables fade to include the Vegetable Fights with Hal. Not sure if thissll prove to be overkill or not, but in my previous mix I used them for the fade and to be honest I kinda miss them.

--I'm debating editing the H&V Piano Theme from Disc 2 into the Reprise at the end. Right after the HV Bicycle Rider Chorus and before the fade-out.

--I'm debating reinstating the first half of Holidays. I kinda miss it, even if it isnt one the better SMiLE tracks.

--I'm gonna listen to the most common criticism I've received so far and clean up the transition between WC and CIFOTM.

--I want to splice the 'pretty baby wont you rock with me Henry' chants back into the piano fade of wonderful.

--not sure if this'll work but perhaps splicing the harsher trumpet (is it a trumpet?) from CIFOTM Version 2 on Disc 3 (the one they used before they try the different sound and Brian proclaimes 'That's our baby!') over certain sections of Look. I love the SMiLE AD 4.0 version of Look, but the more I consider it I'm not sure it fits with my own mixes or not.

--This is an idea I got from this board: sync the Talking Horns over Surf's Up part 2. Preferably in such a way that after the last notes of SU proper have faded out, we're left with the well known opening "trumpet riffs" of George Fell Into His French Horn. Then, cut out the studio chatter but leave the trumpet conversation. This way, both Sides have a hidden comedy skit.

Not sure how well these ideas will work, and I won't be able to test them for awhile.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

That bit at 21.48, side one, is something of a revelation. It needs smoothing out a little but otherwise it fits exceptionally well, organically.

Thank you. I believe it was Mok's version where what we now know as the Vega-Tables fade was called Reprise. It sounded very 'Heroes and Villains-y' so I assumed it was a reprise of that song to be used later in the album. I thought it was incredibly short tho for the longest song in the SMiLE cannon. And as I've said, I dislike overlong HV mixes all hitting you in the face with every section right at the beginning of the album. So I added some other sections to the end of that reprise.

When the boxset revealed to me that what I'd always known as Reprise was really a fade from Vega-Tables I was honestly disappointed at first. It ended up working out perfectly for this mix, however. Great way to break up HV in such a way that all the big sections can be heard in one album without all coming at once so you get bored of the song halfway thru.

[alf wiedersehen]

--I'm gonna experiment with remixing the end of the Vega-Tables fade to include the Vegetable Fights with Hal. Not sure if thissll prove to be overkill or not, but in my previous mix I used them for the fade and to be honest I kinda miss them.

The "Vege-Tables" promo from Hawthorne, CA might be well suited for what you're trying to do.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

--I'm gonna experiment with remixing the end of the Vega-Tables fade to include the Vegetable Fights with Hal. Not sure if thissll prove to be overkill or not, but in my previous mix I used them for the fade and to be honest I kinda miss them.

The "Vege-Tables" promo from Hawthorne, CA might be well suited for what you're trying to do.

That's exactly where I got the idea from in the first place. I just extended the fight and left out the recycled clip of Banana (or is it Louie?) barking from Caroline No. For my previous mix where I did use the fight, I had only a really crappy copy of the arguments to source from. Now, I have Unsurpassed Masters Vol 17 which offers a better quality source to use. My only fear is that having the fights and Beach Boy vocals might be too much going on. In which case, I was also considering having the arguments play over Workshop right after 'Cow as an intro to Vega-Tables. The problem with this is I don't want to go against my own goal of keeping my SMiLE as a 12 (more or less) track album that flows.

[leggo of my ego]

Mujan, is this only on Utube, or did I miss the post for a download link?

Utube eats up my sat. b a  n  d  w i d  t  h  somthin' awful plus I like to burn a cd of these mixes sometimes.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Mujan, is this only on Utube, or did I miss the post for a download link?

Utube eats up my sat. b a  n  d  w i d  t  h  somthin' awful plus I like to burn a cd of these mixes sometimes.

Unfortunately, yes, for the time being it's only on YouTube. I'll work on getting the mp3 and Flac files up soon, tho.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

In the meantime, I know sound quality wise it's not the best option but you could use one of those 'YouTube to mp3' websites to convert it to an mp3 file. Sorry for the inconvenience, but like I said I'm away from my home computer with all my SMiLE files on it.

[Shady]

Loved this mix, nice job Mujan

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Loved this mix, nice job Mujan

Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it!

[soniclovenoize]

No, there's no hard feelings. Just as long as we can move on now, after 100 replies of the same point. I guess it's my fault for not clarifying that when I say I see my mix as 'what SMiLE wouldve been in the 60s' I mean my mix is a two suite, non-BWPS playing order, with no 'help' from BWPS fly-ins and (with the possible exception of CCW, depending on your interpretation) no songs made past the SMiLE Era (no Can't Wait Too Long or Diamond Head, etc.) Not that it's 100% historically accurate and definitely what Brian would've done.

Doesn't the SMiLE AD mix use BWPS fly-ins? 

[buddhahat]

No, there's no hard feelings. Just as long as we can move on now, after 100 replies of the same point. I guess it's my fault for not clarifying that when I say I see my mix as 'what SMiLE wouldve been in the 60s' I mean my mix is a two suite, non-BWPS playing order, with no 'help' from BWPS fly-ins and (with the possible exception of CCW, depending on your interpretation) no songs made past the SMiLE Era (no Can't Wait Too Long or Diamond Head, etc.) Not that it's 100% historically accurate and definitely what Brian would've done.

Doesn't the SMiLE AD mix use BWPS fly-ins? 

Yes I thought I heard some Bwps fly ins for the end of a couple of songs too. Haven't you used the bwps ending to Cabinessence?

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

No, there's no hard feelings. Just as long as we can move on now, after 100 replies of the same point. I guess it's my fault for not clarifying that when I say I see my mix as 'what SMiLE wouldve been in the 60s' I mean my mix is a two suite, non-BWPS playing order, with no 'help' from BWPS fly-ins and (with the possible exception of CCW, depending on your interpretation) no songs made past the SMiLE Era (no Can't Wait Too Long or Diamond Head, etc.) Not that it's 100% historically accurate and definitely what Brian would've done.

Doesn't the SMiLE AD mix use BWPS fly-ins? 

I don't know. Does it? I didn't think there were any, at least in Look. Regardless, I'm considering taking it out anyway and making my own version of Look as an instrumental with the muted trumpet from CIFOTM over the Child throwback sections. As I've said, the SMiLE AD 4 version is my fave, and I think it's the closest we'll get to what Look was supposed to be (unless they find the lost vocal sessions) but because the vocals used are altered and mixed differently, I feel like the track sounds a bit out of place with the rest of my stuff.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

No, there's no hard feelings. Just as long as we can move on now, after 100 replies of the same point. I guess it's my fault for not clarifying that when I say I see my mix as 'what SMiLE wouldve been in the 60s' I mean my mix is a two suite, non-BWPS playing order, with no 'help' from BWPS fly-ins and (with the possible exception of CCW, depending on your interpretation) no songs made past the SMiLE Era (no Can't Wait Too Long or Diamond Head, etc.) Not that it's 100% historically accurate and definitely what Brian would've done.

Doesn't the SMiLE AD mix use BWPS fly-ins? 

Yes I thought I heard some Bwps fly ins for the end of a couple of songs too. Haven't you used the bwps ending to Cabinessence?

The last "aaAahh!" Chant from CE is from a fan mix I downloaded from YouTube. I thought it was from the original sessions since it sounds so perfect with the original track, but I guess that's something I should double check. All other audio except Look is taken straight from the boxset tho. What parts are you referring to specifically?

[seltaeb1012002]

No, there's no hard feelings. Just as long as we can move on now, after 100 replies of the same point. I guess it's my fault for not clarifying that when I say I see my mix as 'what SMiLE wouldve been in the 60s' I mean my mix is a two suite, non-BWPS playing order, with no 'help' from BWPS fly-ins and (with the possible exception of CCW, depending on your interpretation) no songs made past the SMiLE Era (no Can't Wait Too Long or Diamond Head, etc.) Not that it's 100% historically accurate and definitely what Brian would've done.

Doesn't the SMiLE AD mix use BWPS fly-ins? 

I don't know. Does it? I didn't think there were any, at least in Look. Regardless, I'm considering taking it out anyway and making my own version of Look as an instrumental with the muted trumpet from CIFOTM over the Child throwback sections. As I've said, the SMiLE AD 4 version is my fave, and I think it's the closest we'll get to what Look was supposed to be (unless they find the lost vocal sessions) but because the vocals used are altered and mixed differently, I feel like the track sounds a bit out of place with the rest of my stuff.

Yeah, I didn't use any BWPS fly-ins in Look.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

No, there's no hard feelings. Just as long as we can move on now, after 100 replies of the same point. I guess it's my fault for not clarifying that when I say I see my mix as 'what SMiLE wouldve been in the 60s' I mean my mix is a two suite, non-BWPS playing order, with no 'help' from BWPS fly-ins and (with the possible exception of CCW, depending on your interpretation) no songs made past the SMiLE Era (no Can't Wait Too Long or Diamond Head, etc.) Not that it's 100% historically accurate and definitely what Brian would've done.

Doesn't the SMiLE AD mix use BWPS fly-ins? 

I don't know. Does it? I didn't think there were any, at least in Look. Regardless, I'm considering taking it out anyway and making my own version of Look as an instrumental with the muted trumpet from CIFOTM over the Child throwback sections. As I've said, the SMiLE AD 4 version is my fave, and I think it's the closest we'll get to what Look was supposed to be (unless they find the lost vocal sessions) but because the vocals used are altered and mixed differently, I feel like the track sounds a bit out of place with the rest of my stuff.

Yeah, I didn't use any BWPS fly-ins in Look.

Thanks for clearing that up, and while I have your ear, I love your SMiLE mixes.

[soniclovenoize]

Haven't you used the bwps ending to Cabinessence?

I did not.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Haven't you used the bwps ending to Cabinessence?

I did not.

I think they were asking me. And I'm not sure, but just to be  safe, I'll just leave the fade like in the official release when I touch up on this mix later.

[The Shift]

Haven't you used the bwps ending to Cabinessence?

I did not.

I think they were asking me. And I'm not sure, but just to be  safe, I'll just leave the fade like in the official release when I touch up on this mix later.

That's what it sounds like to my ears, albeit only a couple of seconds of BWPS…