"Wilson driven negativity"

[metal flake paint]

Baywatch fans would be familiar with one of the songs from SIP, as well as Full House fans. 

But I guess you're right

Hey, you're short-changing Baywatch fans they were treated to two songs from SIP!

[Bicyclerider]

Mike has played a huge part in creating his public perception, a lot of the stuff people hate him for he actually did do.

It's how celebrity works, people always pick up on the negative. Mike rarely get's acknowledged for his incredible lyrics and singing but he get's bashed for Smile, Full House The RN'R Hall of Fame and basically being the reason The Beach Boys are a traveling fun fair act, it's pretty hard to defend those actions.

The 50th anniversary should have put him in the good books but instead he committed his biggest public faux pas, he "fired Brian Wilson".

Mike is often his own worst enemy, getting positive reviews for both the 50th tour and album, then blowing it with a poorly handled and poorly represented switch back to the Mike and Bruce Beach Boys.  I'm not sure I agree with this:

"It's very hurtful to Mike who tries to take the high road"

Really?  the lawsuits against Brian for Smile, and for the Brian comp free CD in the UK?  That's the high road?  (The lawsuit for song royalties I can forgive as most of it was legit).  And all the moaning about TWGMTR and only wanting another album on his terms, him and Brian alone wirting in the studio - all that's not exactly ingratiating him into the fans' good graces.  He has been the oppositie of "positivfity" about the 50th album and tour, and the possibility of another album or tour.  

All that doesn't excuse fans being rude and disrespectful on the man's facebook page though.  Leave that to the discussion boards like this!

[bluesno1fann]

Baywatch fans would be familiar with one of the songs from SIP, as well as Full House fans. 

But I guess you're right

Hey, you're short-changing Baywatch fans they were treated to two songs from SIP!

I actually never knew that!
I know one was Summer of Love, what was the other?

[metal flake paint]

Baywatch fans would be familiar with one of the songs from SIP, as well as Full House fans. 

But I guess you're right

Hey, you're short-changing Baywatch fans they were treated to two songs from SIP!

I actually never knew that!
I know one was Summer of Love, what was the other?

Why, Summer In Paradise, of course

http://youtu.be/6r3zz_5Qc4E?t=6m33s

[bluesno1fann]

Baywatch fans would be familiar with one of the songs from SIP, as well as Full House fans. 

But I guess you're right

Hey, you're short-changing Baywatch fans they were treated to two songs from SIP!

I actually never knew that!
I know one was Summer of Love, what was the other?

Why, Summer In Paradise, of course

http://youtu.be/6r3zz_5Qc4E?t=6m33s

Wow that's embarrassing. Mike couldn't sound more nasal!
Surprised to see David Marks there, equally surprised that Carl wasn't

[donald]

I like Mike.  I like Brian.   But friends who know what a  BB fan I have been have emailed and asked whynMike broke up
the Beach Boys after their  successful reunion.    it's like even   casual followers seem to think Mike is the bad guy.

Articles appeared in magazines and online saying Mike fired Brian.    Who planted the anti mike seed with the media after the reunion tour?

[Nicko1234]

Mike is often his own worst enemy, getting positive reviews for both the 50th tour and album, then blowing it with a poorly handled and poorly represented switch back to the Mike and Bruce Beach Boys.  I'm not sure I agree with this:

"It's very hurtful to Mike who tries to take the high road"

Really?  the lawsuits against Brian for Smile, and for the Brian comp free CD in the UK?  That's the high road?  (The lawsuit for song royalties I can forgive as most of it was legit).  And all the moaning about TWGMTR and only wanting another album on his terms, him and Brian alone wirting in the studio - all that's not exactly ingratiating him into the fans' good graces.  He has been the oppositie of "positivfity" about the 50th album and tour, and the possibility of another album or tour.  

All that doesn't excuse fans being rude and disrespectful on the man's facebook page though.  Leave that to the discussion boards like this!

I assumed that when she mentioned 'taking the high road' she was talking about Mike not complaining about Brianistas and not making insulting comments in return.

[metal flake paint]

Baywatch fans would be familiar with one of the songs from SIP, as well as Full House fans. 

But I guess you're right

Hey, you're short-changing Baywatch fans they were treated to two songs from SIP!

I actually never knew that!
I know one was Summer of Love, what was the other?

Why, Summer In Paradise, of course

http://youtu.be/6r3zz_5Qc4E?t=6m33s

Wow that's embarrassing. Mike couldn't sound more nasal!
Surprised to see David Marks there, equally surprised that Carl wasn't

It may have something to do with the fact that they taped two appearances for the Baywatch episode as shown at Bellagio 10452 http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs95.html.  According to the casting sheet which appears in the June 1995 issue of ESQ (p. 19), the "Summer of Love" video was taped April 25, 1995. Whilst Mike, Al, Bruce, Matt and Richie Cannata were on set mid-morning, Brian, Carl, and Stamos arrived later that afternoon, which may explain why they appear predominantly towards sunset in the video.

I'm guessing that the "concert" portion was recorded at the second taping, hence no Carl, Brian, or Stamos for whatever reasons. According to accounts in The Lost Beach Boy by Jon Stebbins, this era coincides with Mike reconnecting with David Marks so perhaps Mike invited him to participate.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Judging from Brian's expression, that taping was the first time he'd heard the song (and very likely the last).

[metal flake paint]

Judging from Brian's expression, that taping was the first time he'd heard the song (and very likely the last).

[Andrew G. Doe]

I like Mike.  I like Brian.   But friends who know what a  BB fan I have been have emailed and asked whynMike broke up
the Beach Boys after their  successful reunion.    it's like even   casual followers seem to think Mike is the bad guy.

Articles appeared in magazines and online saying Mike fired Brian.    Who planted the anti mike seed with the media after the reunion tour?

Media shitstorm during the silly season, and possibly some adept media manipulation. It'll be most amusing, and instructive, when the true story of the ending of the C50 tour (why, when and by whom) emerges. And it will: these are The Beach Boys, remember. Might take a few years, maybe a decade or two, but what actually happened will become public knowledge. It always does. 

[Smilin Ed H]

Just agree you over reacted and shake hands.

No, Cam. I think anything that vaguely invites comparison between Mike and a paedophile is unfair, whatever the context.

[Nicko1234]

Just agree you over reacted and shake hands.

No, Cam. I think anything that vaguely invites comparison between Mike and a paedophile is unfair, whatever the context.

Sorry but as I said my reputation (not that I have one) on this board is that I am a 'Mike defender'.

Obviously I wasn't inviting comparisons which I have explicitly stated and while maybe I could understand you misinterpreting my first post (as it may have been non-clearly worded), I can't understand how you could still be under any misapprehensions.

After all, Charles Manson has been mentioned in the same posts as band members thousands of times. That doesn't mean comparisons are being invited.

Context is everything...

Anyway, let's get back on topic shall we...

[Smilin Ed H]

Sigh.  I'm not criticising your Mike-defending credentials. For all I know you have the badge and hat, but by mentioning Savile, you're creating a whole other context and a one that's unnecessary.

[Nicko1234]

Sigh.  I'm not criticising your Mike-defending credentials. For all I know you have the badge and hat, but by mentioning Savile, you're creating a whole other context and a one that's unnecessary.

It was an example. Tiger Woods and Lance Armstrong are another two.

One that only you seem to be concerned about.

So please get back on topic and stop continuing the comparison that was never there.

[Nicko1234]

Here's a wiki on the 'Society of Singers' and the Ella Award.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Singers

Recipients

    Ella Fitzgerald (1989)
    Frank Sinatra (1990)
    Tony Martin (1992)
    Peggy Lee (1994)
    Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme (1995)
    Lena Horne (1997)
    Rosemary Clooney (1998)
    Joe Williams (1999)
    Tony Bennett (2000)
    Julie Andrews (2001)
    Plácido Domingo (2002)
    Barry Manilow (2003)
    Celine Dion (2004)
    Elton John (2005)
    Johnny Mathis (2006)
    Gladys Knight (2007)
    Andy Williams (2008)
    Herb Alpert & Lani Hall (2009)
    Natalie Cole (2010)

It's a fundraiser at the end of the day, as well as an opportunity for the entertainment business to honor one of their own. It's a far far cry from the Kennedy Honors - it just is what it is. Get your tuxedo and smile for the camera. Honey, you look mahvelous.

I would agree that there are some pretty impressive names on that list. Along with a few lesser lights...

Should be an interesting show if any of it is televised or appears on Youtube.

[Cam Mott]

Just agree you over reacted and shake hands.

No, Cam. I think anything that vaguely invites comparison between Mike and a paedophile is unfair, whatever the context.

It wasn't a comparison, it was an illustration of a point. Now agree and shake hands.

[Smilin Ed H]

Just agree you over reacted and shake hands.

No, Cam. I think anything that vaguely invites comparison between Mike and a paedophile is unfair, whatever the context.

It wasn't a comparison, it was an illustration of a point. Now agree and shake hands.

It was a bad choice of an example to illustrate a point with which I agree, mom. 

[Mikie]

Geez, Ed and Nick, find a middle ground, wouldja?  Or agree to disagree and bail out. Ed should be commended for his adamant stance and animosity towards the sick minds of pedophiles. And Nick doesn't want a comparison either. Cooilios to both sides.

One thing that I didn't see discussed on this thread and still up for conjecture:

What in the hell is Mike doing in the company of these singers? Serious. Do the people who do the Ella award feel that they need to start getting Rock stars on the group? I mean Mike being compared to ANY ONE of these people as a singer is incredulous. After all, Mike is in the company of SOLO artists who recorded their own stuff or covers. And the quality of the voice. Mike is no crooner or belter. There a few I'd put on this list before Mike Love. Perry Como, Nat King Cole, Dean Martin, Aretha Franklin, Barbara Streisand, Mariah Carey, Whitney Houston, Mel Torme to name just a few....

    Ella Fitzgerald (1989)
    Frank Sinatra (1990)
    Tony Martin (1992)
    Peggy Lee (1994)
    Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme (1995)
    Lena Horne (1997)
    Rosemary Clooney (1998)
    Joe Williams (1999)
    Tony Bennett (2000)
    Julie Andrews (2001)
    Plácido Domingo (2002)
    Barry Manilow (2003)
    Celine Dion (2004)
    Elton John (2005)
    Johnny Mathis (2006)
    Gladys Knight (2007)
    Andy Williams (2008)
    Herb Alpert & Lani Hall (2009)
    Natalie Cole (2010

[Cam Mott]

Mikie, Society of Singers website says: "Society of Singers produces an annual fundraiser and gala event — The ELLA Award — for whom singers are awarded for their contribution to the world of music along with their dedicated efforts to benefit the community and worldwide causes." So it is not solely for being a "legendary singer".

[Sheriff John Stone]

What in the hell is Mike doing in the company of these singers? Serious. Do the people who do the Ella award feel that they need to start getting Rock stars on the group? I mean Mike being compared to ANY ONE of these people as a singer is incredulous:

    Ella Fitzgerald (1989)
    Frank Sinatra (1990)
    Tony Martin (1992)
    Peggy Lee (1994)
    Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme (1995)
    Lena Horne (1997)
    Rosemary Clooney (1998)
    Joe Williams (1999)
    Tony Bennett (2000)
    Julie Andrews (2001)
    Plácido Domingo (2002)
    Barry Manilow (2003)
    Celine Dion (2004)
    Elton John (2005)
    Johnny Mathis (2006)
    Gladys Knight (2007)
    Andy Williams (2008)
    Herb Alpert & Lani Hall (2009)
    Natalie Cole (2010

I was reading an article about the Ella Awards....The Ella Award is given to singers whose significant musical accomplishments are equaled by their dedication to charitable and humanitarian causes both local and international.

Wow, who'd a thunk it? The Beach Boy whose only concern is making a buck...Mike can be proud of this award, regardless of "the company" he is in.

[Mikie]

Well, you can bet your sweet bippy that the ones I added to the list also fit that bill. Where's McCartney? He should be next. And Bono. And Jon Bon Jovi.  They've unarguably given everything but their left nuts to charity for the community and World well-being.

[urbanite]

Media shitstorm during the silly season, and possibly some adept media manipulation. It'll be most amusing, and instructive, when the true story of the ending of the C50 tour (why, when and by whom) emerges. And it will: these are The Beach Boys, remember. Might take a few years, maybe a decade or two, but what actually happened will become public knowledge. It always does.

Why not tell us the reason now, as you know it.
 

[Mikie]

Hopefully the truth will be in Brian's upcoming book.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Well, you can bet your sweet bippy that the ones I added to the list also fit that bill. Where's McCartney? He should be next. And Bono. And Jon Bon Jovi.  They've unarguably given everything but their left nuts to charity for the community and World well-being.

Hey, Mikie, there's still time. Mike Love doesn't get the Ella Award until February 20, 2014. Maybe if we all write to the Society Of Singers, and tell them that Mike Love was responsible for Brian Wilson scrapping SMiLE, that Mike Love publicly disapproves of Dennis Wilson's self-destructive behavior, and that Mike Love was solely responsible for ending the Beach Boys' 50 Anniversary - they'll rescind his award and give it to....Bono!