Landy's credit removal from BB songs

[KittyKat]

He's not the same guy he was before Landy got ahold of him and it's physical as well as mental. He was more with-it when he was doing street drugs to excess. His speech is now slurred to a degree. He and his people are constantly denying he ever had a stroke, but something damaged part of his brain.

[Mr. Wilson]

In the rolling stone interview late 80's with BW on cover  in swimming trunks sitting// reclining on a piano the drugs he was taking were listed in the article and im pretty darn sure of  that..

[Kurosawa]

He's not the same guy he was before Landy got ahold of him and it's physical as well as mental. He was more with-it when he was doing street drugs to excess. His speech is now slurred to a degree. He and his people are constantly denying he ever had a stroke, but something damaged part of his brain.

Yeah, I don't know what all is wrong with Brian but he is seriously messed up and sometimes it shows.

[filledeplage]

There is grey in this situation. Even Don Was, a reliable pro BW voice, said that he saw some evidence that Brian was using Gene as much as Gene was using Brian -- at least toward the end of the relationship. And given how Brian has consistently used authority figures in his life to manipulate others, this doesn't seem difficult to believe.

Disagree strongly, here. When there is a medical provider-patient relationship, there is no grey. It is clear and there are boundaries. It's professional malpractice. 

[Cyncie]

There is grey in this situation. Even Don Was, a reliable pro BW voice, said that he saw some evidence that Brian was using Gene as much as Gene was using Brian -- at least toward the end of the relationship. And given how Brian has consistently used authority figures in his life to manipulate others, this doesn't seem difficult to believe.

Disagree strongly, here. When there is a medical provider-patient relationship, there is no grey. It is clear and there are boundaries. It's professional malpractice. 

The weight of responsibility in patient/doctor ethics rests with the professional. It doesn't matter if Brian was playing his own games. As a matter of fact, it's expected when dealing with people with substance abuse, that there will be some level of attempted manipulation. The choice not to maintain an ethical relationship with professional boundaries was Landy's alone.

[startBBtoday]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

[Sound of Free]

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian?

I loved the clip when Brian had Al hold his nose so he could imitate Mike singing "California Girls," to the delight of Carl.

[Jay]

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian?

I loved the clip when Brian had Al hold his nose so he could imitate Mike singing "California Girls," to the delight of Carl.

I would LOVE to see the complete footage of that "session". Particularly God Only Knows, with Brian at the piano, and Al and Carl standing beside him. Carl kind of leans over the piano as he sings the song. I wonder if they did the full song?

[Marcella]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

This clip reminded me how much I prefer Matt Jsrdine's work on falsetto to Jeffrey Foskett....

[Pacific Coast]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

This clip reminded me how much I prefer Matt Jsrdine's work on falsetto to Jeffrey Foskett....

It looks to me like they're both there. Jeff is sitting on Brian's right.
What I noticed is how much Matt Jardine seems to be having a good time.

[Jay]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

I was going to post about this, but I guess you beat me to it.   There is also a great interview clip of Brian from the Endless Harmony documentary that seems to be around this time period(1995-96?) where he's talking about In My Room, and he ends it with "Oh, I see what I was doing...I was writing about myself". Those occasional moments of insight don't seem to happen as often now.

[filledeplage]

There is grey in this situation. Even Don Was, a reliable pro BW voice, said that he saw some evidence that Brian was using Gene as much as Gene was using Brian -- at least toward the end of the relationship. And given how Brian has consistently used authority figures in his life to manipulate others, this doesn't seem difficult to believe.

Disagree strongly, here. When there is a medical provider-patient relationship, there is no grey. It is clear and there are boundaries. It's professional malpractice. 

The weight of responsibility in patient/doctor ethics rests with the professional. It doesn't matter if Brian was playing his own games. As a matter of fact, it's expected when dealing with people with substance abuse, that there will be some level of attempted manipulation. The choice not to maintain an ethical relationship with professional boundaries was Landy's alone.

The duty is with the professional; you are correct.  No matter whom is the client/patient.  And even with substance abuse, they are trained to expect some nonsense. Landy crossed the line.  And, maybe Landy's job was to get Brian back to working on music, to show progress, and a way to get some positive reinforcement in his recovery. 

But, as a "bystander" or observer, and not a "work partner." Get him behind the piano, and bring in a BB or two, or some familiar co-creator.   But, not doing a Landy "duet" to advance Landy's aspirations. 

[Autotune]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

I was going to post about this, but I guess you beat me to it.   There is also a great interview clip of Brian from the Endless Harmony documentary that seems to be around this time period(1995-96?) where he's talking about In My Room, and he ends it with "Oh, I see what I was doing...I was writing about myself". Those occasional moments of insight don't seem to happen as often now.

Well, for one thing, he was younger. Plus it's logical that they show good Brian moments in promotional videos. He's probably more stable in many ways today, and likely more inclined to give shitty answers or ignore the situation when he feels like it. 15+ years as a solo artist sort of entitle him to it.
Besides, it's hard to state Brian's state of mind by the tiny glimpses of him we get as fans. But if I had to name Brian's most lucid interview of recent vintage, that would be the one he gave Pete Fornatele after the release of BWPS

[southbay]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

This clip reminded me how much I prefer Matt Jsrdine's work on falsetto to Jeffrey Foskett....

It looks to me like they're both there. Jeff is sitting on Brian's right.
What I noticed is how much Matt Jardine seems to be having a good time.

Foskett is nowhere in that video, he was not involved in SAS

[startBBtoday]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

This clip reminded me how much I prefer Matt Jsrdine's work on falsetto to Jeffrey Foskett....

It looks to me like they're both there. Jeff is sitting on Brian's right.
What I noticed is how much Matt Jardine seems to be having a good time.

Foskett is nowhere in that video, he was not involved in SAS

I think Prabhuji is mixing up the Campfire and SAS doc.

[southbay]

Obviously Brian changed a lot during and after the Landy period, but why did he seem so much more lucid from 1995-1998 than he does now or from the past 10 years? Is it just age?

Brian was a lot more "with it" during the "Stars & Stripes" doc and any interview related to "Imagination" than he is now.

When was the last time we saw this kind of humor out of Brian? Or when he and Mike were discussing writing Fun Fun Fun in the same interview? (does that exist anywhere? Or the whole doc?)

http://youtu.be/LK6dQTS8VwM?t=1m3s

This clip reminded me how much I prefer Matt Jsrdine's work on falsetto to Jeffrey Foskett....

It looks to me like they're both there. Jeff is sitting on Brian's right.
What I noticed is how much Matt Jardine seems to be having a good time.

Foskett is nowhere in that video, he was not involved in SAS

I think Prabhuji is mixing up the Campfire and SAS doc.

ah, yes, that would make sense.  Foskett was next to Brian in the Campfire scenes

[Nicko1234]

I loved the clip when Brian had Al hold his nose so he could imitate Mike singing "California Girls," to the delight of Carl.

Carl did look really uncomfortable in that clip...

[CenturyDeprived]

I loved the clip when Brian had Al hold his nose so he could imitate Mike singing "California Girls," to the delight of Carl.

Carl did look really uncomfortable in that clip...

I always noticed that too... but, I get the feeling that he felt uncomfortable because his reaction was being filmed.

[Nicko1234]

I loved the clip when Brian had Al hold his nose so he could imitate Mike singing "California Girls," to the delight of Carl.

Carl did look really uncomfortable in that clip...

I always noticed that too... but, I get the feeling that he felt uncomfortable because his reaction was being filmed.

I've never really seen it like that. Especially as the joke was more than 30 years old at the time. I've always seen their reactions as:

Al: 'Yeah Brian, keep ripping the piece out of that asshole Mike Love!'

Carl: 'Will you guys just stop pissing each other off for 5 minutes'