New Mike interview in HuffPost

[Lonely Summer]

Well I, for one, appreciate your contributions to this thread, Pinder. You and Sheriff John Stone are the only ones that appear to be dealing in reality here. DOH! I said it! I must be a closet Kokomo-ist!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Thank you! And I am flattered to be up there in your estimation alongside the good Sheriff.

Hey, I love Brian and will staunchly defend him against anyone who is genuinly picking on him, but I just wish some folks would realize how when bashing Mike they leave little room for us to not somehow, and unfortunatly, pick apart Brian a bit..... As fans, there are some things about Brian and his history that don't sit well with us but we keep it mum because he's a living legend/musical genius and, well: Brian! .... But when you start knocking Mike (on things more substansual than his fashion sense, SeaWorld n such) it unfortunaly casts light upon those aspects of Brian which are less than laudable....

I hope I'm making some sense.

[Mike's Beard]

I find the accusation that long time members on a Beach Boys message board hate Brian Wilson to be absurd.

[Smilin Ed H]

Same old same old. Accusation and counter accusation. By a bunch of of people on a message board (no matter how heartfelt and backed up by 'fact' their opinions are). Can't you talk about the weather instead? Or maybe the music?

[Rocky Raccoon]

I think what really gets to people is that Brian Wilson wanted to work with Mike, Brian should be the deciding factor and Mike is insane to say no to that.  Brian Wilson, one of the greatest pop composers of the last century wants to work with you.  Who would say no to that?  And why the hell hasn't he given a good reason?

[Micha]

Mike has a long history of working with Brian, so he is likely not to be as willing as you or I would be, having never even met Brian.

In this thread there are a few posts where Mike gets criticized in a thought out and balanced way, which is an absolutely legitimate way of critisizing somebody. We "Mike Love apologists" don't say Mike is an angel. What puzzles me personally is that some people have this straight black/white view of Brian and Mike as hero and villain. When they get confronted with a more balanced view, they think the apologists are vilifying Brian, basically have their own view in reverse, which is not the case.

I'm certain that both Mike and Brian can be assholes at times. I know I can.

[Nicko1234]

By saying this you confirm you know nothing about mental illness, "Pinder". As I said, you'd deserve just a short trial of Brian's problems. It would be such a BIG eye-opener for you...
Btw, you should stop impersonating, in both name and picture, that great Moody Blues artist. Very unflattering for him.

Sure Brian has serious problems. But that doesn't mean he should be above any criticism. And any criticism towards him on this board and any other is insignificant anyway.

[Nicko1234]

I think what really gets to people is that Brian Wilson wanted to work with Mike, Brian should be the deciding factor and Mike is insane to say no to that.  Brian Wilson, one of the greatest pop composers of the last century wants to work with you.  Who would say no to that?  And why the hell hasn't he given a good reason?

You are joking surely.

I can understand people who say that when Brian wants to be part of The Beach Boys that M&B shouldn't be out there touring. But not the assertion that when Brian (or his management) clicks his fingers everybody else should come running.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I think what really gets to people is that Brian Wilson wanted to work with Mike, Brian should be the deciding factor and Mike is insane to say no to that.  Brian Wilson, one of the greatest pop composers of the last century wants to work with you.  Who would say no to that?  And why the hell hasn't he given a good reason?

You are joking surely.

I can understand people who say that when Brian wants to be part of The Beach Boys that M&B shouldn't be out there touring. But not the assertion that when Brian (or his management) clicks his fingers everybody else should come running.

I'm not saying Brian should be in complete control, I'm saying that anyone in the pop music industry would be crazy to turn down a chance to work with him.

[Cam Mott]

Doesn't that imply that the timing was down to Brian/his-blamees? Maybe they said  "Mike/his-blamees, we want you to release a clarifying statement but not now, later so the confusion we wish to avoid can build.

Brian's management wouldn't have specified a specific moment to issue the press release. And it should have been much better worded.

The sense I got was that Brian's management conveyed a pretty general message, and that was for Mike's management to somehow convey that future "Beach Boys" shows would not feature the reunion lineup, and specifically would not include Brian, Al, or David. Anything past that seems to have been up to Mike's team.

So Brian/blamees may have insisted on the statement about something that was about to happen but the statement content and its timing are somebody/anybody else's fault.

[Cam Mott]

.I will agree that if Brian wants to take a sole "Producer" credit, then he should indeed get a larger amount of the formal blame if a project sucks. In this particular case, we just happen to know that Brian's level of blame is that he was probably passive, not that he actively did things to the live album we don't like.

How is it we know this?

[Freddie French-Pounce]

I just find it hilarious how one interview like this without much surprise can spark a 30 page thread

[leggo of my ego]

I just find it hilarious how one interview like this without much surprise can spark a 30 page thread

Any Mike Love interview thread is a gift that keeps on giving. 

[guitarfool2002]

Well I, for one, appreciate your contributions to this thread, Pinder. You and Sheriff John Stone are the only ones that appear to be dealing in reality here. DOH! I said it! I must be a closet Kokomo-ist!

Reconsider the notion that opinions and assumptions are reality. It's a debate based on opinion. There were facts presented in this thread, as well as interviews with the participants, on which opinions can be formed and debated. But that is different from stating an opinion or assumption as either "reality" or "fact". When the facts about the lawsuits started getting thrown around haphazardly in order to support opinions, and blatantly inaccurate or false information was presented as fact, the red flag justifiably was raised.

It's not accurate to the history when assumption, perception, and opinion get labeled reality or fact. Keep them opinions and debate them as opinions. Debate fact for what it is.

[Robbie Mac]

Doesn't that imply that the timing was down to Brian/his-blamees? Maybe they said  "Mike/his-blamees, we want you to release a clarifying statement but not now, later so the confusion we wish to avoid can build.

Brian's management wouldn't have specified a specific moment to issue the press release. And it should have been much better worded.

The sense I got was that Brian's management conveyed a pretty general message, and that was for Mike's management to somehow convey that future "Beach Boys" shows would not feature the reunion lineup, and specifically would not include Brian, Al, or David. Anything past that seems to have been up to Mike's team.

So Brian/blamees may have insisted on the statement about something that was about to happen but the statement content and its timing are somebody/anybody else's fault.

I go to Pizza Hut and order a meat lovers pizza but get served a supreme pizza instead. Is it my fault for not getting exactly what I asked for or is it Pizza Hut's fault for cocking up the order ?

[Cam Mott]

Some day somebody will come up with the court documents and transcripts. We might have to take up a collection.

[guitarfool2002]

Doesn't that imply that the timing was down to Brian/his-blamees? Maybe they said  "Mike/his-blamees, we want you to release a clarifying statement but not now, later so the confusion we wish to avoid can build.

Brian's management wouldn't have specified a specific moment to issue the press release. And it should have been much better worded.

The sense I got was that Brian's management conveyed a pretty general message, and that was for Mike's management to somehow convey that future "Beach Boys" shows would not feature the reunion lineup, and specifically would not include Brian, Al, or David. Anything past that seems to have been up to Mike's team.

So Brian/blamees may have insisted on the statement about something that was about to happen but the statement content and its timing are somebody/anybody else's fault.

I go to Pizza Hut and order a meat lovers pizza but get served a supreme pizza instead. Is it my fault for not getting exactly what I asked for or is it Pizza Hut's fault for cocking up the order ?

Or is it the employee's fault who took the order incorrectly? Or the kitchen staff's fault for misreading the order and cooking the wrong pie? Or did one of the runners grab another person's pie and give it to you by mistake? Or the manager's fault for not properly training his employees? Or the fault of the data team that programmed the ordering system for the store? Or Pizza Hut for selling fraudulent pseudo-pizza for 40-plus years and ignoring the skill and the art necessary to create a real pizza?

Or maybe the employee who took your money is ultimately to blame for not realizing it was a mistake, but going back to your house later that night with not only the correct pie, but coupons for future use so nothing like that happens again. (read into that one). Shame on the employee for not taking the initiative to do that based on his or her own sense of righting a wrong.

So many variables.  

In my own opinion, I would blame you for going to Pizza Hut in the first place, rather than a place that knows how to make an authentic pizza. Except Chicago, of course, that deep dish stuff is blasphemy.  

[Cam Mott]

Doesn't that imply that the timing was down to Brian/his-blamees? Maybe they said  "Mike/his-blamees, we want you to release a clarifying statement but not now, later so the confusion we wish to avoid can build.

Brian's management wouldn't have specified a specific moment to issue the press release. And it should have been much better worded.

The sense I got was that Brian's management conveyed a pretty general message, and that was for Mike's management to somehow convey that future "Beach Boys" shows would not feature the reunion lineup, and specifically would not include Brian, Al, or David. Anything past that seems to have been up to Mike's team.

So Brian/blamees may have insisted on the statement about something that was about to happen but the statement content and its timing are somebody/anybody else's fault.

I go to Pizza Hut and order a meat lovers pizza but get served a supreme pizza instead. Is it my fault for not getting exactly what I asked for or is it Pizza Hut's fault for cocking up the order ?

Or what if you asked for a meat lovers pizza and you got a meat lovers pizza is it Pizza Hut's fault you wanted a meat lovers pizza?

[SMiLE Brian]

I hadn't ate real Pizza until I visited Chicago.


Lou Malnati's pizza is god....

[Mikie]

Thank you! And I am flattered to be up there in your estimation alongside the good Sheriff.

Hey, I love Brian and will staunchly defend him against anyone who is genuinly picking on him, but I just wish some folks would realize how when bashing Mike they leave little room for us to not somehow, and unfortunatly, pick apart Brian a bit..... As fans, there are some things about Brian and his history that don't sit well with us but we keep it mum because he's a living legend/musical genius and, well: Brian! .... But when you start knocking Mike (on things more substansual than his fashion sense, SeaWorld n such) it unfortunaly casts light upon those aspects of Brian which are less than laudable....

I hope I'm making some sense.

Oh, you do make sense! And it's posts like that that instigate people to really dig in here and go after Mike Love.

[Mikie]

Same old same old. Accusation and counter accusation. By a bunch of of people on a message board (no matter how heartfelt and backed up by 'fact' their opinions are). Can't you talk about the weather instead? Or maybe the music?

Yep!  Same ol' sh*t, different day.

[Mikie]

I just find it hilarious how one interview like this without much surprise can spark a 30 page thread

Same here. Isn't it something? Makes me laugh too.

[guitarfool2002]

I hadn't ate real Pizza until I visited Chicago.


Lou Malnati's pizza is god....

Oh no...   I'll admit, I need to actually go to Chicago and experience the real thing before saying too much. I'll just say every deep dish I've had was not that good, but all of those were east-coast variations of the real thing. Make a deal - if you ever get to the Philly area, or even New York, my treat on a slice of authentic pizza. You'll never be the same afterward.  

But keep in mind too, I got spoiled from the time I was about 5 years old by a truly terrific, authentic Italian pizzeria which sadly changed ownership around 2005 and was never the same. But when it was good, it was the best, hands down. I've never tasted a better pizza, it was perfection.

I see deep dish, I see people ordering these expensive 'artisan' pizzas at a restaurant and hear the crust crunching in their mouth like they are eating a bag of Doritos, I see these travesties where they put pineapple or various green leafy crap on the cheese or try to sell something without red sauce as "pizza", and I cringe.

Real pizza has a slightly crisp bottom crust, enough to hold it together but still moist enough to droop downward as you pick up the slice. Then you get just enough grease coming off the sauce and cheese, the slice itself acts like a trough as you grab that first bite fast enough so the grease doesn't drip off...real, whole-milk mozzarella, rich homemade red sauce that you can actually taste, hand-tossed dough, a real pizza oven...that's all you need.

Don't get me talking about pizza around lunchtime. Makes me hungry.  

[SMiLE Brian]

Yeah I don't doubt that Philly has great pizza and food in general since port cities usually are very culturally rich.

Chicago is the same way with great restaurants like Portillos and Russell's barbecue.

[leggo of my ego]

Yeah I don't doubt that Philly has great pizza and food in general since port cities usually are very culturally rich.

Chicago is the same way with great restaurants like Portillos and Russell's barbecue.

Some may disagree but with a bread machine and stoneware pizza stone its possible to make Pizza at home that rivals the traditional pizza parlors. Fresh bread dough cooks fast. I've made some great pizza and inexpensive too!