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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2013, 02:59:51 PM »

That's all invalid due to the You Must Be Fair To Mike Love Act of 2012, which barely squeaked through the Senate. I'm afraid that makes it impossible to be glad Brian and Co. got a rave review on their first night.

If someone sees things through rose colored glasses and I'm not wearing them, our perceptions or color will be vastly different. A reviewer should be 100 percent nonbiased to present a credible review.
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2013, 03:10:16 PM »

That's all invalid due to the You Must Be Fair To Mike Love Act of 2012, which barely squeaked through the Senate. I'm afraid that makes it impossible to be glad Brian and Co. got a rave review on their first night.

If someone sees things through rose colored glasses and I'm not wearing them, our perceptions or color will be vastly different. A reviewer should be 100 percent nonbiased to present a credible review.

True. Notice that any reviewer who spouts the anti-Myke David Leaf crap often tends not to notice/acknowledge that Brain Wilson is easily one of the worst professional live performers ever.
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2013, 03:27:39 PM »

Ok, I agree the reviewer goes into unnecessary and much-debunked let's-bash-Mike-he-fired-everyone-except-Bruce territory, and that stuff is indeed bollocks, but what about the actual review of the gig itself ? How about the content of the show as described in the review ?

Bit difficult to tell, given the lapidary prose.
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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2013, 03:41:57 PM »

That's all invalid due to the You Must Be Fair To Mike Love Act of 2012, which barely squeaked through the Senate. I'm afraid that makes it impossible to be glad Brian and Co. got a rave review on their first night.

If someone sees things through rose colored glasses and I'm not wearing them, our perceptions or color will be vastly different. A reviewer should be 100 percent nonbiased to present a credible review.

True. Notice that any reviewer who spouts the anti-Myke David Leaf crap often tends not to notice/acknowledge that Brain Wilson is easily one of the worst professional live performers ever.

To be fair some of that is political correctness not merely David Leaf drivel.  Everyone knows (or everyone should know) the elephant in the room when it comes to Brian Wilson including reviewers so no writer unless he is looking to ignite a firestorm well beyond what he can handle is going to put down Brian Wilson for not exactly being an engaging live performer up there.  The reason being?  Because once you've made that statement you have to explain why he isn't engaging and there aren't that many professional reviewers that are going to go near that one with a barge pole especially in the politically correct society we live in.  So in essence this all goes back to why Brian Wilson gets the proverbial pass on a lot of issues pertaining to all aspects of his personal and public life.  The reason being is we live in a society now that promotes a great deal of tolerance, empathy, sympathy and understanding towards anyone who has dealt with or is suffering with anything even remotely resembling mental illness.
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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2013, 03:50:11 PM »

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but the review was not actually about Mike Love.
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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2013, 11:49:24 PM »


To be fair some of that is political correctness not merely David Leaf drivel.  Everyone knows (or everyone should know) the elephant in the room when it comes to Brian Wilson including reviewers so no writer unless he is looking to ignite a firestorm well beyond what he can handle is going to put down Brian Wilson for not exactly being an engaging live performer up there.  The reason being?  Because once you've made that statement you have to explain why he isn't engaging and there aren't that many professional reviewers that are going to go near that one with a barge pole especially in the politically correct society we live in.  So in essence this all goes back to why Brian Wilson gets the proverbial pass on a lot of issues pertaining to all aspects of his personal and public life.  The reason being is we live in a society now that promotes a great deal of tolerance, empathy, sympathy and understanding towards anyone who has dealt with or is suffering with anything even remotely resembling mental illness.

As it should be, but political correctness is not a strong point of mine so I have no problem saying this; the elephant in the room is that we have this bizarre situation where the two leaders of the Beach Boys each have their own thing going, each backed by a truly exceptional band and yet one of them veers wildly between being an OK singer and someone who would get booed off stage at karaoke night (often due to his own disinterest) while the other is a competent professional at all times. 
Yet because the former wrote the bulk of the material many moons ago and has well documented 'issues' he is instantly validated as 'the real deal' while the other is put down as a hokey, cheesy tribute act.
Sorry, but if someone pays $100 to see someone play live they should expect 100%. Anyone who gives them a free pass to less than that is essentially giving to charity.
Didn't want to derail this thread but it pisses me off no end that I can't read anything BB related on the net at the minute without this heavy-handed bias rearing it's ugly head within a matter of sentences.

So anyone want to comment on how Blondie sounded during SOS?
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« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2013, 11:59:36 PM »

It's $100? Glad I saw him in July.
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2013, 03:31:06 AM »

So anyone want to comment on how Blondie sounded during SOS?

He sounded fantastic. He's a got a much deeper sounding voice these days that served the tune well, and he sang it with conviction. He also added a killer solo at the end on his gold Les Paul. I can see why longtime fans rave about those early '70s shows with him and Ricky, he's got a hell of a presence onstage. He showed up again during Surfin' USA and FFF sharing a mic with Foskett to do backups, pretty sure I heard him pull off a couple'a nice falsettos.
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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2013, 03:51:28 AM »

SOS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJT52IvIxYw
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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2013, 04:45:16 AM »

"Mike Love’s well documented transgressions against human decency"

I stopped reading after that; this reviewer is bullshit.

That hateful remark shows that the reviewer has such poor sense of judgement that it is useless to read the review. I'm nonetheless inclined to believe those shows may be very, very good. As I hear M&B's shows are very, very good, but unless they play in my town for free, I won't go and see them.
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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2013, 05:08:11 AM »


Blondie does indeed do a fine job.

TWGMTR sounds a bit ropey but that just be the recording...
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« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2013, 06:03:37 AM »

Missing the point, I think. It's a good review. The reviewer said the show was good. That's the point.

Although I will say his writing is atrocious. I mean:
"Suffice to say, the guitarist lost a few Beach Boys diehards amid the athletic bends and whammy bar theatrics that marked the early half of his set, however, between a rendition of Hendrix’s “Little Wing”, (which brought a nearby audience member to actual tears), an emotionally wrought take on the Beatles “Day in the Life”, and a reading of Les Paul and Mary Ford’s “How High the Moon”, (expertly sung by Lizzie Ball and Jeffrey Foskett), Beck’s counterpoint was a welcome one, if not the most congruent to the lush harmonies and pleasant vibes Wilson and Co had just provided."
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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2013, 06:51:42 AM »


Blondie does indeed do a fine job.

TWGMTR sounds a bit ropey but that just be the recording...

TWGMTR always sounds horribly out of tune whenever I hear it live. They need to identify the worst culprits and tell em to shut up  LOL.

Love SOS though, excellent performance by Blondie!
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2013, 07:34:14 AM »

"Mike Love’s well documented transgressions against human decency"

I stopped reading after that; this reviewer is bullshit.

Indeed, and worse, it's very badly written bullshit.

Yeah but the hyperbole made me laugh!

This didn't make much sense:
 "The Beach Boys’ luminary oracle of composition has weathered the abuses of the recording industry, the nefarious intentions of what had been a trusted inner circle, and his own mental instability over the course of a career that has yielded inarguably some of the most important music ever created."

What abuses of the recording industry did Brian undergo?  Is he referring to the 67 Capitol lawsuit, or to Reprise rejecting some of the Beach  boys' submitted albums?  And what were the "nefarious" intentions of his inner circle?  Other than Landy, who was not really his inner circle, I can't imagine whom this refers to.

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« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2013, 08:53:43 AM »


To be fair some of that is political correctness not merely David Leaf drivel.  Everyone knows (or everyone should know) the elephant in the room when it comes to Brian Wilson including reviewers so no writer unless he is looking to ignite a firestorm well beyond what he can handle is going to put down Brian Wilson for not exactly being an engaging live performer up there.  The reason being?  Because once you've made that statement you have to explain why he isn't engaging and there aren't that many professional reviewers that are going to go near that one with a barge pole especially in the politically correct society we live in.  So in essence this all goes back to why Brian Wilson gets the proverbial pass on a lot of issues pertaining to all aspects of his personal and public life.  The reason being is we live in a society now that promotes a great deal of tolerance, empathy, sympathy and understanding towards anyone who has dealt with or is suffering with anything even remotely resembling mental illness.

As it should be, but political correctness is not a strong point of mine so I have no problem saying this; the elephant in the room is that we have this bizarre situation where the two leaders of the Beach Boys each have their own thing going, each backed by a truly exceptional band and yet one of them veers wildly between being an OK singer and someone who would get booed off stage at karaoke night (often due to his own disinterest) while the other is a competent professional at all times. 
Yet because the former wrote the bulk of the material many moons ago and has well documented 'issues' he is instantly validated as 'the real deal' while the other is put down as a hokey, cheesy tribute act.
Sorry, but if someone pays $100 to see someone play live they should expect 100%. Anyone who gives them a free pass to less than that is essentially giving to charity.
Didn't want to derail this thread but it pisses me off no end that I can't read anything BB related on the net at the minute without this heavy-handed bias rearing it's ugly head within a matter of sentences.

So anyone want to comment on how Blondie sounded during SOS?

Well said.
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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2013, 09:47:00 AM »


To be fair some of that is political correctness not merely David Leaf drivel.  Everyone knows (or everyone should know) the elephant in the room when it comes to Brian Wilson including reviewers so no writer unless he is looking to ignite a firestorm well beyond what he can handle is going to put down Brian Wilson for not exactly being an engaging live performer up there.  The reason being?  Because once you've made that statement you have to explain why he isn't engaging and there aren't that many professional reviewers that are going to go near that one with a barge pole especially in the politically correct society we live in.  So in essence this all goes back to why Brian Wilson gets the proverbial pass on a lot of issues pertaining to all aspects of his personal and public life.  The reason being is we live in a society now that promotes a great deal of tolerance, empathy, sympathy and understanding towards anyone who has dealt with or is suffering with anything even remotely resembling mental illness.

As it should be, but political correctness is not a strong point of mine so I have no problem saying this; the elephant in the room is that we have this bizarre situation where the two leaders of the Beach Boys each have their own thing going, each backed by a truly exceptional band and yet one of them veers wildly between being an OK singer and someone who would get booed off stage at karaoke night (often due to his own disinterest) while the other is a competent professional at all times. 
Yet because the former wrote the bulk of the material many moons ago and has well documented 'issues' he is instantly validated as 'the real deal' while the other is put down as a hokey, cheesy tribute act.
Sorry, but if someone pays $100 to see someone play live they should expect 100%. Anyone who gives them a free pass to less than that is essentially giving to charity.
Didn't want to derail this thread but it pisses me off no end that I can't read anything BB related on the net at the minute without this heavy-handed bias rearing it's ugly head within a matter of sentences.

So anyone want to comment on how Blondie sounded during SOS?

I agree with much of your sentiment as long as you realize (which I assume you do) that putting your name to a published review and putting your name on a bulletin board post are two very different things.  You, me and everyone else on here has far more wiggle room in regards to our opinions on matters than a published reviewer does.  He has much more at stake then we do as well.
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