Syria?

[Mike's Beard]

Surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. How do people in America feel about them stepping into another pointless conflict?

[drbeachboy]

I really don't want to see us getting into another country's civil war. Two has been plenty, but the UN needs to react to the Syrian government using gas on it's own citizens.

[Bean Bag]

Serious, serious stuff.  Of course.

But, the political-theater of it all -- I find so full of irony, hypocrisy and frankly -- hilarious.  Seeing John blankety-blank Kerry and the rest talk about WMD's.  It's  just too rich.  It's unbelievable.  I'm beyond words.

Pinch me...  Am I on TV??  Is this real??   

[SMiLE Brian]

This country's military is too worn-out for another conflict.

[pixletwin]

I was listening to a report on the radio this morning about the chemical bombing of an elementary school in Syria which had me in tears. If we had to go out to war I would rather it would have been for this cause than for oil. But that being said, wars are going to bankrupt the country (while filling the pockets a very few).

I really have no idea which way my support swings. It is a matter that has been weighing very heavily on my own mind (and I'm sure a lot of yours too).

[drbeachboy]

I was listening to a report on the radio this morning about the chemical bombing of an elementary school in Syria which had me in tears. If we had to go out to war I would rather it would have been for this cause than for oil. But that being said, wars are going to bankrupt the country (while filling the pockets a very few).

I really have no idea which way my support swings. It is a matter that has been weighing very heavily on my own mind (and I'm sure a lot of yours too).

This is why the UN needs to get this resolved. Taking no action or leaving it to the U.S. to handle alone is just absurd. The UN is becoming like the old League of Nations, worthless.

[Bean Bag]

I was listening to a report on the radio this morning about the chemical bombing of an elementary school in Syria which had me in tears. If we had to go out to war I would rather it would have been for this cause than for oil. But that being said, wars are going to bankrupt the country (while filling the pockets a very few).

I really have no idea which way my support swings. It is a matter that has been weighing very heavily on my own mind (and I'm sure a lot of yours too).

No blood for oil, right... right.     Cuz Saddam Hussein was not killing and gassing his people.  Right.

Not only that... but going to war for our own national interests is exactly why we should go to war.  And if some a-hole, who gasses his people, is also jeopardizing our supply of oil... than yes -- a good President would ask him to stop or face the consequences.

Jeez.  This stuff isn't that complicated if you can rise above party politics.... 

 

[pixletwin]

Strange. I don't recall ever saying Saddam wasn't gassing his own people. If anyone is unable to rise above party politics it just might be one presumptuous wee little bean bag. 

[Heysaboda]

No blood for oil, right... right.     Cuz Saddam Hussein was not killing and gassing his people.  Right.

Not only that... but going to war for our own national interests is exactly why we should go to war.  And if some a-hole, who gasses his people, is also jeopardizing our supply of oil... than yes -- a good President would ask him to stop or face the consequences.

Jeez.  This stuff isn't that complicated if you can rise above party politics.... 

Underestimating or worse, disregarding the “complexity” in these situations is EXACTLY what got us into trouble in Iraq.

[bluesno1fann]

I say the UN should intervene and do something, not the US.
the US is not the world's police, they have no business in Syria, anyway.
I just hope Syria doesn't become another Iraq or Afghanistan

[drbeachboy]

I say the UN should intervene and do something, not the US.
the US is not the world's police, they have no business in Syria, anyway.
I just hope Syria doesn't become another Iraq or Afghanistan

While I agree with what you say, you do know that the UN really has no army. So, whether the UN goes in or the U.S. alone, the U.S. goes in either way, because we always lead the coalition forces. I am really beginning dislike mankind, we treat each other like sh*t.

[Pacific Coast]

Here's the problem:

Syria has experienced years of devastating drought due to Earth Changes. The agriculture collapsed--crop failures and livestock dropped dead in the fields--and millions of farmers fled to the cities, where they demanded relief from the government. The regime, however, was not on good negotiating terms with the international community; there were banksters and other multination business interests that sought to gain a footing in Syria's trade and exports but had thus far been resisted. So, the regime did not find a sympathetic audience, and instead of sending bread, the international community sent weapons to the "rebels" -- better to have the people overthrow their own government than do it with an outside force. And, so the situation was allowed to fester, and other neighboring interests did their part to play both sides against each other, and it was FRANCE that supplied the chemical weapons, which were not necessarily used by the regime even if it was made to look like it (false flag) so that NATO could deliver the death-blow and then new "local" government would have legitimacy among the people even if it answered and bowed to outside interests. Typical imperialist power-play.

Today on NPR, the host slipped up...calling "Assad..."Saddam."

[Pacific Coast]

My assumption, btw, is that President Obama knows it's a false-flag and doesn't want to get involved. So, he speaks out against it, then throws the decision to Congress, who will likely vote against a military strike. Therefore, he gets to look concerned as a huminatarian, but he doesn't have to take responsibility for not getting involved.

[Bean Bag]

My assumption, btw, is that President Obama knows it's a false-flag and doesn't want to get involved. So, he speaks out against it, then throws the decision to Congress, who will likely vote against a military strike. Therefore, he gets to look concerned as a huminatarian, but he doesn't have to take responsibility for not getting involved.

I don't disagree.

But you said something quite interesting.  False-flag.  What exactly did you mean by that?   

[Pacific Coast]

False-flag = when one group stages an event and makes it look like the responsibility of another group.

This morning I read in the international news that the rebels were aided in gaining chemical weapons by Saudi Arabians, and that their mishandling of the material is what led to the deaths we've seen attributed to Assad.

[Bean Bag]

That's what I thought you meant. 

There's little value in gassing one's own people, while one is struggling to maintain control of power.  I would assume anyway.

But if Obama knew this... why do you think he set the "Red Line" that he's now saying he didn't set?   

[Heysaboda]

False-flag = when one group stages an event and makes it look like the responsibility of another group.

This morning I read in the international news that the rebels were aided in gaining chemical weapons by Saudi Arabians, and that their mishandling of the material is what led to the deaths we've seen attributed to Assad.

Care to cite the source for this?

[Jason]

It's a civil war so therefore the U.S. should just stay out of it, but, of course...

http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http:/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

[Heysaboda]

That's what I thought you meant.  

There's little value in gassing one's own people, while one is struggling to maintain control of power.  I would assume anyway.

But if Obama knew this... why do you think he set the "Red Line" that he's now saying he didn't set?  

In 1982 Assad's father, Hafez al-Assad, directed a massacre against his own people in Hama, which resulted in the deaths of 20,000 - 40,000 Syrians.  So, it would appear that the current ruler of Syria is happy to commit any atrocity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre

I do agree that it should be the other Arab nations who should rise up and tell Assad to get lost.  We are looking at another Bosnia.  If the other Arab countries fail to act, NATO will have to step in.

[Heysaboda]

It's a civil war so therefore the U.S. should just stay out of it, but, of course...

http://web.archive.org/web/20130129213824/http:/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2270219/U-S-planned-launch-chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

It appears the Daily Mail deleted this article, so they are not standing by the allegation.

It's certainly suitable for "Faux News" though.  Sorry, with respect, I call "BS" on this.

Find a reputable article, from a reputable news agency that stands by its sources, and then get back to me, hmmm?  Otherwise you are just wasting my time.

[Bean Bag]

No one's making this up Heysaboda.  This is the link I had.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-the-white-house-help-plan-the-syrian-chemical-attack/5347542

I'm not saying it's true, either.  Nor do I care to defend Assad.  But it is compelling, and certainly makes sense.  There's nothing for Assad to gain at this moment by doing this.  But this False Flag thing has happened before (Serbs/1995) -- it's what these Islamo NAZIs do.  They blow-up innocent people all the time.  It's their calling card.

[Pacific Coast]

AP: "Rebels" Admit Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack
http://www.globalresearch.ca/jabhat-al-nusra-rebels-admit-responsibility-for-chemical-weapons-attack/5347485

Here's an hour-long interview with a Princeton-trained geopolitical analyst:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2013/09/RIR-130902.php

In sum, Syria is under assault by Saudi Arabia-U.S.-NATO because of an oil pipeline deal with Iran-Russia-China.
The terrorists posing as rebels mishandled the chemical weapons given to them, giving an excuse for military action (Pentagon-CIA-State Dept) on behalf of multinational corporate interests that also control the mainstream-media brands. Do not expect the truth from them.

To the above I would add, Syrian agriculture collapsed after several years of drought and Earth Changes, and mismanagement of resources contributed to civic disorder:
http://www.alternet.org/syria

May peace and justice prevail.



JAI SRI RAMAKRISHNA!

[Pacific Coast]

"Probes from Khan al-Assal show chemicals used in the March 19 attack did not belong to standard Syrian army ammunition, and that the shell carrying the substance was similar to those made by a rebel fighter group, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated."

http://rt.com/news/chemical-aleppo-findings-russia-417/

[Jason]

The Obamabots need to just swallow their pride and admit that they love war now that their messiah is in office.

[Pacific Coast]

Russia says it's compiled 100-page report blaming Syrian rebels for a chemical weapons attack

Russia says it has compiled a 100-page report detailing what it says is evidence that Syrian rebels, not forces loyal to President Bashar Assad, were behind a deadly sarin gas attack in an Aleppo suburb earlier this year.

In a statement posted on the Russian Foreign Ministry’s website late Wednesday. Russia said the report had been delivered to the United Nations in July and includes detailed scientific analysis of samples that Russian technicians collected at the site of the alleged attack, Khan al Asal.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/05/201268/russia-releases-100-page-report.html#.UiirysZ4w_g