Has Mike Expressed Remorse On Whatever Role He May Have Played in Smile's Demise

[Kurosawa]

SMiLE didn't work out for one main reason: Brian's illness. It was why he didn't have the ability to focus and finish it, why he was unable to maintain control over the other members of the band and VDP, and it has nothing to do with Mike or VDP or anyone else, and it wasn't Brian's fault either. There was probably no one on Earth that could have helped with Brian's illness in those days-mental health treatment was in it's infancy then (and still is now). Had Brian been 100%, Mike and everyone else would have done whatever he asked and he would have finished it. Brian killed it because he had to. He was in no condition to finish a project of that magnitude at that time and had to have a ton of help to finish it when he did 30+ years later.

[the professor]

The Professor sees no reason to lament Smile not having come out in the 60s. The fact that it did not gave us its 2 incarnations in 2004 and  2012, and it likely gave us the reunion.

[Jim V.]

You can't stand up for it and be against it at the same time. Brian stood alone in wanting SMiLE scrapped.

It's possible they (the band) got their dissent and complaining out of their systems early in the game, accepted SMiLE for what it was, and gave Brian the benefit of the doubt - and the respect he deserved - ultimately doing their best at performing Brian's music in the studio. Yes, maybe they did not ACTIVELY protest or boycott SMiLE, but that doesn't mean their true feelings were questioning or even negative. One can carry out an assignment, and perform well, and still have doubts about the project. 

I still think the basic point is being missed. Yes, I believe that Brian Wilson - as the composer, producer, leader, whatever - has to ultimately accept the responsibility for scrapping SMiLE, but, part of his decision could've been based or formed by Mike's problems with the lyrics. It at least could've planted a seed.

Brian thought VDP's lyrics were too sophisticated. The two of them argued about it. Brian got rid of most of said lyrics. Fans don't seem to see that as the problem with the lyrics. Brian said at the time that he scrapped SMiLE because HE felt the lyrics were too arty. I don't get how this problem between Brian and the lyrics is still the unacknowledged 600 lb. gorilla in SMiLE. Nobody ever even mentions it [as far as I've seen].

This is my last comment on this subject (I can hear the applause echoing in my room).

Yes, Brian might've thought the lyrics were too sophisticated. Yes, Brian got rid of most said lyrics. And, yes, Brian might've felt the lyrics were too arty.

BUT HE DIDN'T ALWAYS FEEL THAT WAY. BUT HE DIDN'T ALWAYS FEEL THAT WAY. BUT HE DIDN'T ALWAYS FEEL THAT WAY.

In the beginning, Brian loved the work that he and Van Dyke Parks were creating. It was only later, much later in the project, did Brian begin to experience and express doubt about SMiLE - and the lyrics. MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE - and in my opinion probably - Brian's doubts and displeasure with the lyrics STARTED with the complaints from others - specifically from Mike. He didn't forget them. The seed was planted. Brian was sensitive to what others thought; it's part of his history.

I don't blame Mike for SMiLE being scrapped and I don't think he owes anyone an apology. Period. End of paragraph. End of my contribution to this thread.

I think you nailed it on the head Sheriff.

And I also think people posting their theories as fact (*cough* Cam *cough*) gets kind of annoying. We weren't there. Maybe Brian got tired of Van's lyrics. Maybe Mike planted doubts in Brian's brain. Maybe Mike gave him sh*t when nobody else was around. Or maybe Mike was excited to get it out to the public. We don't know. And I especially don't appreciate people saying that THIS IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or THAT IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or I KNOW WHAT MIKE DID OR DIDN'T DO. We don't know we can only speculate.

[zachrwolfe]

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[Quzi]

Just a few things I've stumbled across over the internet which are relevant to a few discussions running through this thread.

Mike's admitted to not being properly clued up on mental illness in the 1960s. "When we were younger, no one really knew what was wrong with Brian. Nobody knew about mental illness. We just had no clue about that as kids, as cousins and brothers, growing up..."

In 1975, in the heart of nostalgia-gate, Mike said he appreciated the musical form and content of "Surf's Up". He added "it has to be listened not in the context of what's number one this week, but as an extremely unique piece of music; something which is highly individual." In 2007 he said of Parks' lyrics for the song "I appreciate them for their artistry. It's like if you were to go to a modern art museum... maybe you don't understand [the artwork], but you can appreciate that it's beautiful." He has praised other lyrics from the project too, saying in 2011 "Wonderful is so beautiful and sensitive. Wonderful makes you cry. And although I didn’t agree with Van Dyke’s lyrics on every single thing, I thought he did a marvellous job on that."

On his questioning of the lyrics to "Cabinessense": "Just because I said I didn't know what they meant didn't mean I didn't like them. I have zero against Van Dyke Parks. That’s why I said, 'What the fuck does that mean?' It’s not meant to be an insult. He didn't get insulted. He just said, 'I haven’t a clue!' ... people don’t know the way I think. And they don’t give a fuck about the way I think, either.…I was just asking: What did it mean?""

We have to keep in mind that public attitudes over the years have been built using less than ideal sources such as this 1999 article from the Phoenix Times to form an understanding of the complexities in the Beach Boys saga during this period. An excerpt from that article:

After all, Mike Love and the rest of the Boys quite literally killed the [Smile] record -- aborted it just as Brian was ready to usher it into this world and forever change it. Worse, the band -- which exists as a shadow of a vestige, its legacy long reduced to parody and punch line -- has spent three decades pretending Pet Sounds and Smile never existed. When the Boys toured, without Brian, for all those years, they never once performed songs from those albums, leaning instead on war-horse oldies -- "Fun, Fun, Fun," "Surfin' U.S.A." and all those other teen-beat anthems Brian wanted no part of by 1966. They dismissed Brian's experiments -- and, by doing so, they dismissed Brian. Once his bandmates -- his brothers, his cousins, his friends -- killed Smile, they killed a little part of him as well. He would never be the same.

One need only look at the setlist of In Concert and Knebworth to call bullshit on so many points in that paragraph but it's poorly researched, hyperbolic  journalism like this which is being used as a reference to compose the Smile article over at Wikipedia, reaching around 200,000 people a year, presenting a distorted view of the Smile era. Disturbingly it's only the tip of the iceberg in a trend of sensationalist journalism that loves to rehash the undeserving binary roles of "Heroes" and "Villains".

[Cam Mott]

I think you nailed it on the head Sheriff.

And I also think people posting their theories as fact (*cough* Cam *cough*) gets kind of annoying. We weren't there. Maybe Brian got tired of Van's lyrics. Maybe Mike planted doubts in Brian's brain. Maybe Mike gave him sh*t when nobody else was around. Or maybe Mike was excited to get it out to the public. We don't know. And I especially don't appreciate people saying that THIS IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or THAT IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or I KNOW WHAT MIKE DID OR DIDN'T DO. We don't know we can only speculate.

It's not theory in this case. This all happens to be published and comes from the people's statements and the usual eye witness sources, fans just don't acknowledge these particular parts for some reason.  It's all been there in the record for 46 years.

Sheriff, the witnesses say that Brian and Van Dyke got along and were on the same page in the beginning and then they began to argue about each others work and snipe at each other. So it was between the two of them and it was a process.

[runnersdialzero]

Oh James, I love you.

[leggo of my ego]

Will Myke apologize to Van for behaving like a Dyck?

"mental illness" killing Smile seems to simple to be correct and I rather hold that Brian's decision was multi -faceted. If he was so sick in the head how did he pull off what he accomplished during the remainder of that decade? His output after Smile is nothing less than brilliant.

And I have yet to hear anything approaching a diagnosis of Wilson's alleged illness...exactly what is wrong with him? Hmmmm?

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I agree that many artists can`t or don`t want to explain their work. But it seems from your playwright comparison that you think the conversation should have gone,

Mike: What do these words mean?
VDP: I have no idea what they mean.
Mike: Fair enough, let`s get back to work.

Well, for one, I don't think that that dialogue effectively explains how Mike's question was really a question that asked Van Dyke to defend his lyrics.

I don`t think that was ever going to happen and while VDP may not have wanted to explain his lyrics, he must have known when he began working with The Beach Boys that he was working on a commercial enterprise. He knew that it would have to sell and that it would have to be performed in public by the group. If he thought that they wouldn`t question his work at all then he was very naive.

Then I wonder if Mike could easily explain what "You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat" meant from the #1 smash Like a Rolling Stone. If Mike and the boys thought complex lyrics meant that the song would be un-commercial then, forget naive, they were simply out of touch with reality in December of 1966.

And again, I re-state, what's there to explain? Try this: "Whoa whoa, explain this to me: 'If everybody had an ocean across the USA, then everybody'd be surfing like Californ IA.' What are they trying to say?" What would the answer be to this? Would you be actually able to provide a satisfactory answer that wasn't simply just repeating the line in the hopes that this time around they understood it? Again, you're operating with the assumption that there is some essential, underlying, and singular meaning buried "underneath" the line when the meaning is, in fact, the line itself.

To contine your play comparison. If a play had a director and cast in place and they hired a brand new writer who came up with obscure ideas which they didn`t understand or felt might be unpopular with the public then they would undoubtedly question it. It happens in movies and TV shows all the time after all.

Yes, especially in the worst segments of television and movies. This is why someone like Woody Allen refuses to submit his work to another director and makes deals to have the final cut on all his movies - precisely because of crap like this. And that's probably why Van Dyke thought the best thing for him to do would be to go off on his own and do it himself.

[Jim V.]

I think you nailed it on the head Sheriff.

And I also think people posting their theories as fact (*cough* Cam *cough*) gets kind of annoying. We weren't there. Maybe Brian got tired of Van's lyrics. Maybe Mike planted doubts in Brian's brain. Maybe Mike gave him sh*t when nobody else was around. Or maybe Mike was excited to get it out to the public. We don't know. And I especially don't appreciate people saying that THIS IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or THAT IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or I KNOW WHAT MIKE DID OR DIDN'T DO. We don't know we can only speculate.

It's not theory in this case. This all happens to be published and comes from the people's statements and the usual eye witness sources, fans just don't acknowledge these particular parts for some reason.  It's all been there in the record for 46 years.

Sheriff, the witnesses say that Brian and Van Dyke got along and were on the same page in the beginning and then they began to argue about each others work and snipe at each other. So it was between the two of them and it was a process.

And you don't acknowledge the fact that eyewitnesses were saying Brian and Mike were having problems. Which one would assume might have something to do with SMiLE. And note, I'm not saying that Mike ruined SMiLE or anything. But you were not there. At least in all the stuff about this period I've read, I've never read anything about a Cam Mott character.

And yeah, I do think ultimately it was Brian that called curtains on the album. But if he hated Van's stuff so much, why was "Heroes And Villains" the first sing back? Why was "Vegetables", "Wonderful" and "Wind Chimes" all on Smiley Smile? Why was he recording a version of "Surf's Up" during the Wild Honey sessions? Why did he write a song with Van Dyke called "Sunflower Maiden" for Redwood?

There are a lot of moving parts in this saga, and for you to act like you got it all figured out is insulting. You weren't there. Get over it.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I've read, I've never read anything about a Cam Mott character.

I thought he was the barber? 

And yeah, I do think ultimately it was Brian that called curtains on the album. But if he hated Van's stuff so much, why was "Heroes And Villains" the first sing back? Why was "Vegetables", "Wonderful" and "Wind Chimes" all on Smiley Smile? Why was he recording a version of "Surf's Up" during the Wild Honey sessions? Why did he write a song with Van Dyke called "Sunflower Maiden" for Redwood?

I've made this point before to Cam. His response is that Brian removed the most Parksian songs. But to me, the notion that Wilson didn't like Parks's stuff just doesn't wash with the actual facts. I mean, he may have temporarily been convinced that they were inappropriate for the Beach Boys but not for long. He still used Parks's lyrics, he still worked with Van Dyke, and by the mid-70s was calling Parks his favourite collaborator. I just don't buy it.

[drbeachboy]

I think you nailed it on the head Sheriff.

And I also think people posting their theories as fact (*cough* Cam *cough*) gets kind of annoying. We weren't there. Maybe Brian got tired of Van's lyrics. Maybe Mike planted doubts in Brian's brain. Maybe Mike gave him sh*t when nobody else was around. Or maybe Mike was excited to get it out to the public. We don't know. And I especially don't appreciate people saying that THIS IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or THAT IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or I KNOW WHAT MIKE DID OR DIDN'T DO. We don't know we can only speculate.

It's not theory in this case. This all happens to be published and comes from the people's statements and the usual eye witness sources, fans just don't acknowledge these particular parts for some reason.  It's all been there in the record for 46 years.

Sheriff, the witnesses say that Brian and Van Dyke got along and were on the same page in the beginning and then they began to argue about each others work and snipe at each other. So it was between the two of them and it was a process.

And you don't acknowledge the fact that eyewitnesses were saying Brian and Mike were having problems. Which one would assume might have something to do with SMiLE. And note, I'm not saying that Mike ruined SMiLE or anything. But you were not there. At least in all the stuff about this period I've read, I've never read anything about a Cam Mott character.

And yeah, I do think ultimately it was Brian that called curtains on the album. But if he hated Van's stuff so much, why was "Heroes And Villains" the first sing back? Why was "Vegetables", "Wonderful" and "Wind Chimes" all on Smiley Smile? Why was he recording a version of "Surf's Up" during the Wild Honey sessions? Why did he write a song with Van Dyke called "Sunflower Maiden" for Redwood?

There are a lot of moving parts in this saga, and for you to act like you got it all figured out is insulting. You weren't there. Get over it.

Doesn't that also say that Mike and the rest of the Boys didn't have as big a problem with the lyrics, either? Shoot, they had to sing them twice. We're beating a dead horse here. It doesn't matter who liked or disliked what or whether people argued with each other. Everybody, except VDP stayed on board and did what was required to get Smile finished. Brian, and only Brian made the call to shelve the album and start anew with Smiley. Why is it that we have to find fault with others to justify Brian's actions?

[Nicko1234]

Yes, especially in the worst segments of television and movies. This is why someone like Woody Allen refuses to submit his work to another director and makes deals to have the final cut on all his movies - precisely because of crap like this. And that's probably why Van Dyke thought the best thing for him to do would be to go off on his own and do it himself.

I think it happens in 99% of television and movies. Including some of the most famous successes out there. And if VDP was any more bothered about things like that than any other writer then obviously he shouldn`t have been writing for a group.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Yes, especially in the worst segments of television and movies. This is why someone like Woody Allen refuses to submit his work to another director and makes deals to have the final cut on all his movies - precisely because of crap like this. And that's probably why Van Dyke thought the best thing for him to do would be to go off on his own and do it himself.

I think it happens in 99% of television and movies.

I think to a large extent it does, yes, especially in the United States, though the television renaissance that we're in now is pretty much a consequence of it not happening as much as you suggest - as creative people have increasingly taken their ideas to places where they have more creative freedom. But just because it happens a lot does not make it right. In fact, I think it is playing a key role in the decline of civilization as we know it. And yes, this attitude has led to some achievements because at the end of it, a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I think you nailed it on the head Sheriff.

And I also think people posting their theories as fact (*cough* Cam *cough*) gets kind of annoying. We weren't there. Maybe Brian got tired of Van's lyrics. Maybe Mike planted doubts in Brian's brain. Maybe Mike gave him sh*t when nobody else was around. Or maybe Mike was excited to get it out to the public. We don't know. And I especially don't appreciate people saying that THIS IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or THAT IS THE WAY BRIAN FELT or I KNOW WHAT MIKE DID OR DIDN'T DO. We don't know we can only speculate.

It's not theory in this case. This all happens to be published and comes from the people's statements and the usual eye witness sources, fans just don't acknowledge these particular parts for some reason.  It's all been there in the record for 46 years.

Sheriff, the witnesses say that Brian and Van Dyke got along and were on the same page in the beginning and then they began to argue about each others work and snipe at each other. So it was between the two of them and it was a process.

And you don't acknowledge the fact that eyewitnesses were saying Brian and Mike were having problems. Which one would assume might have something to do with SMiLE. And note, I'm not saying that Mike ruined SMiLE or anything. But you were not there. At least in all the stuff about this period I've read, I've never read anything about a Cam Mott character.

And yeah, I do think ultimately it was Brian that called curtains on the album. But if he hated Van's stuff so much, why was "Heroes And Villains" the first sing back? Why was "Vegetables", "Wonderful" and "Wind Chimes" all on Smiley Smile? Why was he recording a version of "Surf's Up" during the Wild Honey sessions? Why did he write a song with Van Dyke called "Sunflower Maiden" for Redwood?

There are a lot of moving parts in this saga, and for you to act like you got it all figured out is insulting. You weren't there. Get over it.

Doesn't that also say that Mike and the rest of the Boys didn't have as big a problem with the lyrics, either? Shoot, they had to sing them twice. We're beating a dead horse here. It doesn't matter who liked or disliked what or whether people argued with each other. Everybody, except VDP stayed on board and did what was required to get Smile finished. Brian, and only Brian made the call to shelve the album and start anew with Smiley. Why is it that we have to find fault with others to justify Brian's actions?

Well, one answer to that might be that the devil is in the details.

I agree with every poster here, to reduce Smile to Brian vs. Mike is SEVERELY missing the point. I think that to say that Mike is responsible for Smile's demise is as reductive as saying, "Brian junked it. That's all we need to know." Despite the near-perfection of the Smile Sessions, there is still a lot of historical mining to be done here (and while we're at it, how about some more historical mining for All Summer Long or Sunflower, or the rest of them!). And we're not going to get anywhere unless we can actually feel free to put forth conjecture and bat it around a little to see if any of it holds.

To be honest, the fact that Mike sang the lyrics has been mostly dealt with in a convincing way. Yes, he sang them and he did a great job but that doesn't mean that his (and maybe others) dislike of them (which Mike even admits to!) didn't plant a destructive seed in Brian's mind that eventually led to him junking the album (but I think Brian junked it for reasons other than just the lyrics, namely the fact that his desire to make the perfect record was precisely the thing that was destroying the record). I would also like an explanation why so many lyrics WEREN'T sung. How come there were no vocals that we know of put down for Surf's Up, or Barnyard, or I'm in Great Shape. How come we don't have a single Mike Love lead vocal. Surely Brian had planned for his lead singer to actually sing lead on a few of the songs. Hell, he already had Mike sharing lead on the Vegetables demo but by 1967, he was no longer in that role.

P.S. I do like how we are skeptical of sweeping arguments in this thread. I applaud everyone who stands up against the argument that "Mike Love killed Smile." The fact though that the most-oft heard retort is "and Brian did!" to me kind of undermines the anticipated nuance that I would expect. In fact, almost no one in this thread is suggesting that Mike Love killed Smile, but there is a multitude people saying Brian killed it.

[Cyncie]

Will Myke apologize to Van for behaving like a Dyck?

"mental illness" killing Smile seems to simple to be correct and I rather hold that Brian's decision was multi -faceted. If he was so sick in the head how did he pull off what he accomplished during the remainder of that decade? His output after Smile is nothing less than brilliant.

And I have yet to hear anything approaching a diagnosis of Wilson's alleged illness...exactly what is wrong with him? Hmmmm?

I agree that mental illness isn't the only thing involved, but I do think it was the major thing. It surprises me, on a Beach Boys board, that we don't recognize the devastation that Brian's mental illness must have had.... not only on him, but on the project and those around him. Stress often triggers escalation of mental health problems, and during the SMiLE period the pressure was on to produce this masterpiece, follow up the success of Good Vibrations, deal with the problems with the record company, Carl's draft, etc. At this time, Brian was slowly unravelling and needed as much affirmation as he could get, but the project became a point of contention... with VDP, with the band, and even with his family. It overwhelmed him and he bailed.

And, before you accuse me of romanticizing things; I can understand it, because  I did the same thing. I came unglued and bailed on a project, not because I didn't believe in it, but because it was easier than dealing with the stress , anxiety and panic it was creating within me.

The funny thing about the aftermath of those kinds of stress related crashes, is that you can be productive and functional on the outside, but still be breaking down on the inside. One of my most prolific times, creatively, was in the five years following the project collapse.  I was channeling my creative energy out into other projects, but inside, I was fragile and afraid. Eventually, I started protecting the inner me, by withdrawing some from the creative process.  Now, I'm trying to work out how to keep things in balance and stay healthy without cutting myself off from the things I want to do.

All that said, you might think I'm  severely mentally ill. I'm not. I only have some mild anxiety problems. But, if I can go through that, how much more severe was Brian's experience? And, I do believe there's a Brian diagnosis out there. Schizoaffective disorder, if I'm not mistaken.

So, in the end, I do think Brian's mental illness killed SMiLE. And, I do think the contention between VDP, Mike and the band contributed to the stressors Brian was under at the time. If Brian had been healthy, I don't think Mike's comments would have made an impact. Since he wasn't, everything was magnified in his mind, including the band's reservations about the project.

Of course, that's all just my perspective.

[Nicko1234]

I think to a large extent it does, yes, especially in the United States, though the television renaissance that we're in now is pretty much a consequence of it not happening as much as you suggest - as creative people have increasingly taken their ideas to places where they have more creative freedom. But just because it happens a lot does not make it right. In fact, I think it is playing a key role in the decline of civilization as we know it. And yes, this attitude has led to some achievements because at the end of it, a broken clock is right twice a day.

OK. But I can only speak for British TV and say that this style of making TV has led to some of the most well loved and successful shows. As for music, I would say that some of the very worst music comes when singers just sing whatever is given to them by writers.

[Moon Dawg]

 Has BRIAN ever taken a tiny bit of responsibibilty for the demise of ATLANTIS RISING?

[job]

I love all the people here speaking in absolutes, when the reality is we don't know sh*t about why things went down the way they did.

[Micha]

Brian, Taylor, Britz, musician always say he came to the studio prepared. He knew what everything was and how it went to together and he called it out and labeled it as such when he got to the studio. I just can not see Brian recording this stuff without knowing how it went together and how he would technically achieve it. I believe it wasn't not knowing how or what to do but just plain that he didn't feel it when he did have it and he felt it less and less as he had it more and more.

Cam, you always argue that on the session tapes Brian sounds like he knows what he's doing. But could it be he only thinks he knows what he's doing?

[oldsurferdude]

I love all the people here speaking in absolutes, when the reality is we don't know sh*t about why things went down the way they did.

. Post of the week.

[Micha]

Just curious if people think that Brian is still as determined and headstrong today as he was in 1967 when he pulled Smile without any influence from anybody.

I think he might be. He might deliberately delegate lots of the work but still uses the hammer when he wants or doesn't want something in the studio ie. his shut down of Al's persistence during TWGMTR.

Well, if the report on that is accurate, Brian refused passive-aggressively to work on Al's "Waves Of Love" - oh what a fool Brian is! (in that case)

While we're at it, have we all forgotten that Mike's "let me explain to you how I'm kind of an asshole, but not as much of an asshole as you might think" press letter last year directly quoted "Summer's Gone" in a positive light? What does that tell you?

I may have forgotten it, as I don't remember Mike referring to Summer's Gone! Where was that again?

I would have liked to see what Mike would have done with Worms, or Holidays, or Look.  I think at this time Mike would have done some interesting things.

I think Mike could have written lyrics for Cabin Essence as good as Van's, even better lyrics for Wonderful, but never anything like Surf's Up.

RockNRoll, I should clarify: even though I feel the way I do about this issue in principle: I still do, just as equally, wish to God Mike had just gone "Oh, OK. I get it" and went back to work.

Isn't that what the Boys did? All these supposedly problem lyrics for the Boys are on tape.

Well, the ones that were questioned have been recorded. But it seems they never even attempted the verses to DYLW, which are IMO the third worst lyrics to any BB songs. I think there would have been some objections, too. Like rockandroll stated, some lyrics are suspiciously missing.

[drbeachboy]

I love all the people here speaking in absolutes, when the reality is we don't know sh*t about why things went down the way they did.

. Post of the week.

I'm with the both of you, as well.

[Micha]

The Professor sees no reason to lament Smile not having come out in the 60s. The fact that it did not gave us its 2 incarnations in 2004 and  2012, and it likely gave us the reunion.

Neither of them as good as a 1967 finished version would have been.

Hm, that's not sure. It could be that large chunks of good material would be missing. Would Holidays still be part of SMiLE? Would there be DYLW when the BR theme was used for Heroes? Would a 1967 SMiLE feature the Rock Me Henry version of Wonderful, which was recorded about the same time as the cantina version of H&V? That would be a worse SMiLE than the 2004 and 2011 incarnations even though those two are flawed. BWPS lacks the original recordings and the BB voices, TSS is incomplete as they didnt record the missing lyrics.

[Gabo]

he betta