I think I can understand why Brian might not wanna write much with Mike...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

Summer of Love is a guilty please of all pleasures and grade A kitsch joy!

Not kidding. I love it.

Mike is comparable to Sir Paul in that he is the other top power (like it or not) in his own band and is the most hated by fans of his band, just like Paul.

As for Stars N Stripes: meh!

But didn't Fogerty just release basically the same thing to all kinds of high fives and back slapping?

[Nicko1234]

The thing about Mike is, all his history aside, he comes across as an asshole whenever he opens his mouth. I mean, would this guy enjoy the company of others if he wasn't the cousing of Brian Wilson? Would he be ignored as the shameless selfpromoter and narcissict he really is? I think so. If Mike was not a part of rock legendry, he would quite possibly be the disliked neighbour or difficult colleague to work with. He just strikes me as someone I would never want to have anything to do with on a personal level. Maybe that's why even his family can't stand him and he's now with wife no.4 or 5. Clearly this guy has social issues and people should be aware of it as much as being aware of Brian's mental illness. But Brian is the 'damaged genius' and Mike is just his asshole cousin. I feel sorry for him being such a prat when he has every reason not to.

The people he works with don`t seem to feel like that. The current band have been in place for several years and I have never heard of any problems.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Could it be so ironic that Brian doesn't wanna write with Mike because Mike's the guy who did Summer In Paradise? 

[EgoHanger1966]

I like all the music from 1961-1973, its just Mike's one dimensional portrait of that era that annoys me.

It's not one-dimensional, though. You've probably seen/read as many interviews with Mike as I have - most likely more - and he talks about Brian's compositional feats in the early days - not just the car stuff, but "Surfer Girl", "In My Room".....and especially "The Warmth of The Sun". He seems to acknowledge the more somber, reflective tunes like "Kiss Me Baby", and he's come around to Pet Sounds and parts of SMiLE (particullarly "Wonderful"). Maybe that part is just for the media, and maybe because he's tired of being cast as a shallow, money-grabbing frontman. It's not entirely true.

You have to remember that here's this guy who has performed for millions and sees the joy on people's faces when he does the popular hits. You know why? It made them famous, it made them rich, it made people happy. So, this guy has every right to play up the fun-in-the-sun material. It doesn't make him a douche to realize what the majority of his fanbase want, and the cater to them.

[Jim V.]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

Summer of Love is a guilty please of all pleasures and grade A kitsch joy!

Not kidding. I love it.

Mike is comparable to Sir Paul in that he is the other top power (like it or not) in his own band and is the most hated by fans of his band, just like Paul.

As for Stars N Stripes: meh!

But didn't Fogerty just release basically the same thing to all kinds of high fives and back slapping?

Paul is nowhere close to as hated as Mike Love. In fact, most people love Sir Paul. There are some people who have canonized Lennon that still draw those stupid comparisons of Macca and Lennon where Lennon was the genius and Paul did nothing.

But the difference between Paul and Mike is that, well, PAUL ACTUALLY WRITES SONGS! A whole shitload of classics and hits without John Lennon. How many classics did Mike do without Brian? And as I said earlier, "Kokomo" doesn't count, as it was John Phillips song that Mike added a hook to.

So overall, Mike is nowhere close to McCartney and his head in his ass if he truly thinks he is anywhere close to him. He should be happy with how he's perceived and work on that instead of trying to act like he did anything more than what he did (i.e. wrote a few nice lyrics to songs that Brian largely composed and also is a great lead singer).

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

Summer of Love is a guilty please of all pleasures and grade A kitsch joy!

Not kidding. I love it.

Mike is comparable to Sir Paul in that he is the other top power (like it or not) in his own band and is the most hated by fans of his band, just like Paul.

As for Stars N Stripes: meh!

But didn't Fogerty just release basically the same thing to all kinds of high fives and back slapping?

Paul is nowhere close to as hated as Mike Love. In fact, most people love Sir Paul. There are some people who have canonized Lennon that still draw those stupid comparisons of Macca and Lennon where Lennon was the genius and Paul did nothing.

But the difference between Paul and Mike is that, well, PAUL ACTUALLY WRITES SONGS! A whole shitload of classics and hits without John Lennon. How many classics did Mike do without Brian? And as I said earlier, "Kokomo" doesn't count, as it was John Phillips song that Mike added a hook to.

So overall, Mike is nowhere close to McCartney and his head in his ass if he truly thinks he is anywhere close to him. He should be happy with how he's perceived and work on that instead of trying to act like he did anything more than what he did (i.e. wrote a few nice lyrics to songs that Brian largely composed and also is a great lead singer).

I don't think anyone, even Mike himself is trying to say he's as good as Sir Paul! But there are comparisons that work.

Once again, it just seems to be hatred driving logic here.....

[Jim V.]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

Summer of Love is a guilty please of all pleasures and grade A kitsch joy!

Not kidding. I love it.

Mike is comparable to Sir Paul in that he is the other top power (like it or not) in his own band and is the most hated by fans of his band, just like Paul.

As for Stars N Stripes: meh!

But didn't Fogerty just release basically the same thing to all kinds of high fives and back slapping?

Paul is nowhere close to as hated as Mike Love. In fact, most people love Sir Paul. There are some people who have canonized Lennon that still draw those stupid comparisons of Macca and Lennon where Lennon was the genius and Paul did nothing.

But the difference between Paul and Mike is that, well, PAUL ACTUALLY WRITES SONGS! A whole shitload of classics and hits without John Lennon. How many classics did Mike do without Brian? And as I said earlier, "Kokomo" doesn't count, as it was John Phillips song that Mike added a hook to.

So overall, Mike is nowhere close to McCartney and his head in his ass if he truly thinks he is anywhere close to him. He should be happy with how he's perceived and work on that instead of trying to act like he did anything more than what he did (i.e. wrote a few nice lyrics to songs that Brian largely composed and also is a great lead singer).

I don't think anyone, even Mike himself is trying to say he's as good as Sir Paul! But there are comparisons that work.

Once again, it just seems to be hatred driving logic here.....

It's not hatred. It's an out of bounds ego that compares oneself to the most successful musician of the 20th and 21st century. And he did compare. In that article from earlier in the month he did. It's right there. To compare his perceived lack of respect to that of McCartney is just so off base. He wrote a few lyrics, that's as far as his "art" goes. Paul's goes much further.

Most people don't compare themselves to Paul McCartney because they are aware they are nowhere close to his talent or success. Mick and Keef don't compare themselves to him. Townshend doesn't. Elton John doesn't. Mike Love does. Why is he so damn insecure?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

Summer of Love is a guilty please of all pleasures and grade A kitsch joy!

Not kidding. I love it.

Mike is comparable to Sir Paul in that he is the other top power (like it or not) in his own band and is the most hated by fans of his band, just like Paul.

As for Stars N Stripes: meh!

But didn't Fogerty just release basically the same thing to all kinds of high fives and back slapping?

Paul is nowhere close to as hated as Mike Love. In fact, most people love Sir Paul. There are some people who have canonized Lennon that still draw those stupid comparisons of Macca and Lennon where Lennon was the genius and Paul did nothing.

But the difference between Paul and Mike is that, well, PAUL ACTUALLY WRITES SONGS! A whole shitload of classics and hits without John Lennon. How many classics did Mike do without Brian? And as I said earlier, "Kokomo" doesn't count, as it was John Phillips song that Mike added a hook to.

So overall, Mike is nowhere close to McCartney and his head in his ass if he truly thinks he is anywhere close to him. He should be happy with how he's perceived and work on that instead of trying to act like he did anything more than what he did (i.e. wrote a few nice lyrics to songs that Brian largely composed and also is a great lead singer).

I don't think anyone, even Mike himself is trying to say he's as good as Sir Paul! But there are comparisons that work.

Once again, it just seems to be hatred driving logic here.....

It's not hatred. It's an out of bounds ego that compares oneself to the most successful musician of the 20th and 21st century. And he did compare. In that article from earlier in the month he did. It's right there. To compare his perceived lack of respect to that of McCartney is just so off base. He wrote a few lyrics, that's as far as his "art" goes. Paul's goes much further.

Most people don't compare themselves to Paul McCartney because they are aware they are nowhere close to his talent or success. Mick and Keef don't compare themselves to him. Townshend doesn't. Elton John doesn't. Mike Love does. Why is he so damn insecure?

Elton John also said Keith Richards is pathetic and looks like a monkey with arthritis out there trying to look young. And Keith calls Mick Brenda and says he has a small wee wee.

I could go on....

[oldsurferdude]

Egomainiacs have one thing in common-they're insecure. mYke definitely possesses illusions of grandeur. In other words, he's f***ed up mentally.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Egomainiacs have one thing in common-they're insecure. mYke definitely possesses illusions of grandeur. In other words, he's f***ed up mentally.

I actually agree with you..... Most rock stars are as you describe. Even if they keep their mouths shut....

Didn't Brian used to go around telling Karen Lamm she should be with HIM rather than Dennis?

Now THAT takes illusions of grandeur!!!!!

[Cam Mott]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

You've gone with interpretations that are critical of Mike for some reason but you're not Mike. Mike is also a coauthor in one of the top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

What does our opinion matter. I'm not a particular fan of SIP, I like it better than some others do and I like it less than some others do. I kind of enjoy S&S, I especially like Tammy Wynette and Willie Nelson and I'm not a Country fan. My opinions don't change anything.

[oldsurferdude]

Egomainiacs have one thing in common-they're insecure. mYke definitely possesses illusions of grandeur. In other words, he's f***ed up mentally.

I actually agree with you..... Most rock stars are as you describe. Even if they keep their mouths shut....

Didn't Brian used to go around telling Karen Lamm she should be with HIM rather than Dennis?

Now THAT takes illusions of grandeur!!!!!

oops! Forgot you were right next to him when he allegedly said that.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

What does our opinion matter. I'm not a particular fan of SIP, I like it better than some others do and I like it less than some others do. I kind of enjoy S&S, I especially like Tammy Wynette and Willie Nelson and I'm not a Country fan. My opinions don't change anything.

Exactly! So why not just have fun with it?? Mike is hilarious! I can see what everyone's saying but his contributions to history speak for themselves and he's a damn good singer/frontman. Let the guy be crazy.

[oldsurferdude]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

What does our opinion matter. I'm not a particular fan of SIP, I like it better than some others do and I like it less than some others do. I kind of enjoy S&S, I especially like Tammy Wynette and Willie Nelson and I'm not a Country fan. My opinions don't change anything.

Then why post here??

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

What does our opinion matter. I'm not a particular fan of SIP, I like it better than some others do and I like it less than some others do. I kind of enjoy S&S, I especially like Tammy Wynette and Willie Nelson and I'm not a Country fan. My opinions don't change anything.

Then why post here??

yeah, good question..... Hmmmmmm 

[Jim V.]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

[Cam Mott]

Funny that you guys still won't touch the fact that Mike compares himself to Paul McCartney. Probably cuz even Cam Mott knows that that is either the sign of a hugely overinflated ego or somebody who is just so unsure of their place in history that they have to pump themselves up. Pretty sad.

And Cam and Pinder, please let us know which are your favorite tunes from Stars & Stripes! And how great "Summer Of Love" is! Not embarrassing at all.

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

What does our opinion matter. I'm not a particular fan of SIP, I like it better than some others do and I like it less than some others do. I kind of enjoy S&S, I especially like Tammy Wynette and Willie Nelson and I'm not a Country fan. My opinions don't change anything.

Then why post here??

Why not?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

Once again: no one is saying Mike is as good as Sir Paul! But Mike IS good! He also wrote hooks and vocal melodies for massive earth shaking hits. This is more than most people accomplish in a hundred lifetimes.... Go tell Bernie Taupin he's trash because he doesn't write music.

[Cam Mott]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

OK, is all of that what Mike claimed was their similarity? It still leaves a legitimate no stretch comparison between them. Mike and Brian's successful  co-authorships far out distance any other Brian co-authorship by multiples. Success being defined by the standard used by the industry measured by sales and chart position. You were accusing me of denial earlier right? Or did I remember that wrong?

[oldsurferdude]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

Once again: no one is saying Mike is as good as Sir Paul! But Mike IS good! He also wrote hooks and vocal melodies for massive earth shaking hits. This is more than most people accomplish in a hundred lifetimes.... Go tell Bernie Taupin he's trash because he doesn't write music.

Keep goin' Pinder, you'll convince someone someday.

[Jim V.]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

Once again: no one is saying Mike is as good as Sir Paul! But Mike IS good! He also wrote hooks and vocal melodies for massive earth shaking hits. This is more than most people accomplish in a hundred lifetimes.... Go tell Bernie Taupin he's trash because he doesn't write music.

Once again I'm not. And Bernie Taupin has also been with Elton John (besides just a few years) for like 45 years. He's his lyrical guy.

And Mike is good. Even great. A great singer, and decent to good lyricist. But he's no McCartney. He's no Taupin. He's Mike Love, but that never seems to be enough for him. Always has to namecheck The Beatles or some list from 1966. Me personally? I think The Beach Boys are pretty great. And I don't care that Mike suggested lyrics to "Back in the USSR". I care more that he wrote the lyrics to "California Girls". Or "Aren't You Glad". But I'm not sure he gets that is enough.

[Jim V.]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

OK, is all of that what Mike claimed was their similarity? It still leaves a legitimate no stretch comparison between them. Mike and Brian's successful  co-authorships far out distance any other Brian co-authorship by multiples. Success being defined by the standard used by the industry measured by sales and chart position. You were accusing me of denial earlier right? Or did I remember that wrong?

So let me get this straight then I'll leave it alone...."Wilson/Love" is equal to "Lennon/McCartney"? Really?

[Cam Mott]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

OK, is all of that what Mike claimed was their similarity? It still leaves a legitimate no stretch comparison between them. Mike and Brian's successful  co-authorships far out distance any other Brian co-authorship by multiples. Success being defined by the standard used by the industry measured by sales and chart position. You were accusing me of denial earlier right? Or did I remember that wrong?

So let me get this straight then I'll leave it alone...."Wilson/Love" is equal to "Lennon/McCartney"? Really?

In ways and not in other ways. Did Mike say they are "equal"?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

He is a coauthor in one of top Pop coauthor teams of Time so far, as is McCartney. It's not a stretch at all.

Except that Paul wrote music. And even wrote a great deal of Lennon/McCartney songs all by himself and has the guts to tour on his own name. Lennon and McCartney were a songwriting team for all the '60s and every original Beatles hit besides one is by that team. Whereas only a handful of Beach Boys hits are Wilson/Love. Mike was a guy that Brian went to now and again to write with him. But not his songwriting partner in anybodies mind by Mike's. There are quite a few Wilson/Christian, Wilson/Usher, Wilson/Asher, and Wilson/Parks classics. All this during the time of the Wilson/Love "dynasty".

OK, is all of that what Mike claimed was their similarity? It still leaves a legitimate no stretch comparison between them. Mike and Brian's successful  co-authorships far out distance any other Brian co-authorship by multiples. Success being defined by the standard used by the industry measured by sales and chart position. You were accusing me of denial earlier right? Or did I remember that wrong?

So let me get this straight then I'll leave it alone...."Wilson/Love" is equal to "Lennon/McCartney"? Really?

Not equal to, but superior to

[oldsurferdude]

There are quite a few instances in which mYke luHv eclipsed Paul:

He had more wives
He had more rings
He does the "chicken" dance
He wore a turban
He lost his hair ALOT quicker than Paul
He sued his writing partner twice
He tells jokes that are far cornier that Paul's
He looks more like Clarabell than Paul does
He has way more hats than Paul does
He talks on stage about important sh*t than Paul does.
And HE doesn't have to play any of those silly instruments that Paul does.