MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS

[Steve Mayo]

al said in an interview at the time of the SC lp capitol gave them another chance but wanted "3 hit singles" from that lp. hence the newer songs. i think it was in goldmine but i'm not sure. my magazines burnt up so i can't check that out.

[Jonathan Blum]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

[drbeachboy]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I remember that. Makes one wonder how many songs were actually submitted. Seems weird Capitol choosing Daybreak and Bill & Sue.

[Sheriff John Stone]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I remember that. Makes one wonder how many songs were actually submitted. Seems weird Capitol choosing Daybreak and Bill & Sue.

Jon, thanks for reminding me about that Bruce and Al comment. But, that falls in line with what I was intimating. Other "people" are included in making or editing the final decisions now. If Brian was calling the shots, the record company would not be choosing which songs are released - Brian would. And, yes, drbeachboy, it does make you wonder, not only how many songs were actually submitted, but the quality of the ones that weren't chosen. I guess we'll find out a little bit more about them if/when they end up on Brian's new solo album.

[Micha]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I remember that. Makes one wonder how many songs were actually submitted. Seems weird Capitol choosing Daybreak and Bill & Sue.

Choosing Daybreak seems not nearly as weird for me...

[Wirestone]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way.

They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows).

They submitted 15 songs to Capitol.

Capitol picked 12 for the finished album.

In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter.

[drbeachboy]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way.

They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows).

They submitted 15 songs to Capitol.

Capitol picked 12 for the finished album.

In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter.

Still, it makes you wonder about the quality of the three songs submitted but not chosen.

[Cam Mott]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way.

They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows).

They submitted 15 songs to Capitol.

Capitol picked 12 for the finished album.

In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter.

Still, it makes you wonder about the quality of the three songs submitted but not chosen.

It does but not with much hope if they judged Bill and Sue superior.

[JohnMill]

I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record.

Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way.

They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows).

They submitted 15 songs to Capitol.

Capitol picked 12 for the finished album.

In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter.

This makes more sense than Capitol being given cart blanche in deciding the fate for The Beach Boys' record.  They may have picked the songs but the listing they chose from was actually selected by The Beach Boys.  What would be interesting to know is whether or not the boys dictated to Capitol how many songs they were allowed to choose from the list of fifteen for the record.  Did Capitol have to pick twelve tracks or could've they picked less or even selected all fifteen?  For what it's worth twelve to thirteen tracks is still generally considered to be the industry standard for a single LP.  Anything more than that and from what I've understood artists usually get told to trim their album a bit.

The additional three tracks would be interesting to hear.  If they are in a completed state you have to wonder why they aren't on coming out on MIC unless Brian Wilson once he realized the C50 wasn't going forward wouldn't allow those tracks to be released under "The Beach Boys" monicker.  Maybe he's planning on recutting them for his solo LP?  Allegedly (from what I've read on this forum) one of the unreleased tracks has been given the speculative title of "I'd Go Anywhere" and is apparently part of more youthful section of the Life Suite.  So that could be one of the three tracks that was submitted although from what we've heard of it sounds basically unfinished which could mean nothing at all obviously.

[SIP Mike]

But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML.

But remember Brian, once Wilson realized how important a songwriting partner and lead singer like Mike was, there was no way he could go to anyone else. "Do It Again" is one their best songs, going straight to number one. Sunny beach songs are what the Beach Boys are known for after all.

[Juice Bronston]

But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML.

But remember Brian, once Wilson realized how important a songwriting partner and lead singer like Mike was, there was no way he could go to anyone else. "Do It Again" is one their best songs, going straight to number one. Sunny beach songs are what the Beach Boys are known for after all.

I agree.

[SMiLE Brian]

Welcome SIP Mike, "do it again"  is.what made ML become the evil surf demon of today...

[SIP Mike]

Welcome SIP Mike, "do it again"  is.what made ML become the evil surf demon of today...

I don't know about evil, but I do know about surfin! We can all thank Mike for that, and 50 years of writing hits.

[SMiLE Brian]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

[Juice Bronston]

Welcome SIP Mike, "do it again"  is.what made ML become the evil surf demon of today...

I don't know about evil, but I do know about surfin! We can all thank Mike for that, and 50 years of writing hits.

I agree.

[drbeachboy]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

[SIP Mike]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants.

[Juice Bronston]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants.

The public wants Mike Love. I want Mike Love. #mikeforpresidentofmusic

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

my personal feeling is: as amazing as Pet Sounds and SMILE are: they'd mean a whole lot less to us and would be that much less impressive if it weren't for all that came before and after.

[drbeachboy]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants.

Okey dokey, then.

[Jason]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants.

Funny troll is funny. I approve. Michael's the Greatest!!

[drbeachboy]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants.

Funny troll is funny. I approve. Michael's the Greatest!!

Indeed, we attract the trolls and crazies in here, from time to time.

[Micha]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants.

Even if we don't like it, Kokomo is very popular in our generation. I was even once asked to play Kokomo on the guitar after playing other BB tunes at a birthday party. 363 days passed since that happened, but I'll doubt I'll ever be motivated to actually learn it.

[Jason]

Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic.

[Don Malcolm]

What about Pet sounds or smile?

What about them? They're great!

Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants.

Funny troll is funny. I approve. Michael's the Greatest!!

Indeed, we attract the trolls and crazies in here, from time to time.

True, but the really sobering thought is that it's sometimes not all that easy to tell them apart from...US!!

(Cue the scream from "She's Goin' Bald" here....)