M & B Tour 2013

[filledeplage]

Brian was home "working in behalf of" the Band".

He may have said the "in spirit" part but I've never heard him say "working on behalf of the band". Maybe in the 60's Mike said that, but not after Brian left the road again in the early 80's.

Mikie - I was paraphrasing.  Perhaps I should have said, "at home writing music?" 

[Mikie]

Dudn't matter anyway. Then was then and this is now. Mike isn't saying stuff like that now.

[Cam Mott]

Dudn't matter anyway. Then was then and this is now. Mike isn't saying stuff like that now.

You mean in concert, Mikie? It seems to me Mike gives Brian genius credit in almost every one of his interviews. 

God forbid someone might talk about themselves and their personal accomplishments when they are the subject of an interview. Jeez.

Al talks about his accomplishments when he is interviewed, no body is carping about that. Double standard much? He also gives Brian genius credit in his interviews too.

[HeyJude]

Dudn't matter anyway. Then was then and this is now. Mike isn't saying stuff like that now.

You mean in concert, Mikie? It seems to me Mike gives Brian genius credit in almost every one of his interviews.  

God forbid someone might talk about themselves and their personal accomplishments when they are the subject of an interview. Jeez.

Al talks about his accomplishments when he is interviewed, no body is carping about that. Double standard much? He also gives Brian genius credit in his interviews too.

Al talks about what he's currently doing in interviews. But I don't see nearly as much of reminders of literal accomplishments, as in touting chart placement, poll results, oldies radio statistics, etc.

At the same time, Mike's comments sometimes seem more insecure, hence the "McCartney wasn't chopped liver" comparisons, and constant "Kokomo" reminders.

[Doo Dah]

I remember the 'quote', and I'm paraphrasing here:

From a M&B gig @ the pier in Seattle (circa 1999). I was walking down the sidewalk outside of the venue - could plainly hear the show. Mike said (ever so slightly paraphrasing) - "they say my cousin Brian is a genius. he IS...we tour and he sits home and collects the money"

Now full disclosure here; it was delivered and received as a joke. A joke. Mean spirited perhaps, but classic sardonic Mike (and this coming from a guy who has plenty of issues with the Lovester). Kind of a double edged joke, but basically harmless. That being said, in bad taste imo.

These guys have always had this weird relationship with their reclusive 'genius.' I remember Carl's interview in Musician magazine prior to the release of Beach Boys '85. He said, 'for us to make a truly GREAT album, we need Brian in the studio calling the shots.' Mike was interviewed on Larry King in the late 80's, and a caller gave him the question, 'Mike - what did you think of Brian's solo album? (BW '88).' Mike's response was 'I thought it would've sounded much better as a Beach Boys album'

THEN, when Brian more or less got his sh*t together with Andy Paley in the early 90's, Carl walks out of the sessions. You can't win!

Oy vey. What a crazy dysfunctional bunch of guys...I love 'em!

[Cam Mott]

Yes, those were jokes [but true] but did he not also seriously praise Brian in those shows? He almost always praises Brian in interviews even though the interview is for him.

Does Brian routinely [or at all] praise any of his bandmates in his shows when he is doing the Beach Boys catalog? Carl maybe?

[HeyJude]

Yes, those were jokes [but true] but did he not also seriously praise Brian in those shows? He almost always praises Brian in interviews even though the interview is for him.

Does Brian routinely [or at all] praise any of his bandmates in his shows when he is doing the Beach Boys catalog? Carl maybe?

I'd say there is a different standard for representing the "other" members of the band when you go out as "The Beach Boys."

[Mikie]

I remember the 'quote', and I'm paraphrasing here:

From a M&B gig @ the pier in Seattle (circa 1999). I was walking down the sidewalk outside of the venue - could plainly hear the show. Mike said (ever so slightly paraphrasing) - "they say my cousin Brian is a genius. he IS...we tour and he sits home and collects the money"

YES!! that's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Almost to a word, too.

Cam, the live Beach Boys concerts are what I'm talking about.  Even when Carl and Al were still around.  80's and 90's. I took 'em as negative snide remarks towards Brian.

[Cam Mott]

Yes, those were jokes [but true] but did he not also seriously praise Brian in those shows? He almost always praises Brian in interviews even though the interview is for him.

Does Brian routinely [or at all] praise any of his bandmates in his shows when he is doing the Beach Boys catalog? Carl maybe?

I'd say there is a different standard for representing the "other" members of the band when you go out as "The Beach Boys."

Different standard meaning you are freed from praising your bandmates/brothers when performing the Beach Boys catalog? They aren't Beach Boys songs anymore and Brian isn't a Beach Boy and it's not praiseworthy to be praiseworthy of your bandmates if you aren't under license?

[HeyJude]

I remember the 'quote', and I'm paraphrasing here:

From a M&B gig @ the pier in Seattle (circa 1999). I was walking down the sidewalk outside of the venue - could plainly hear the show. Mike said (ever so slightly paraphrasing) - "they say my cousin Brian is a genius. he IS...we tour and he sits home and collects the money"

Now full disclosure here; it was delivered and received as a joke. A joke. Mean spirited perhaps, but classic sardonic Mike (and this coming from a guy who has plenty of issues with the Lovester). Kind of a double edged joke, but basically harmless. That being said, in bad taste imo.

These guys have always had this weird relationship with their reclusive 'genius.' I remember Carl's interview in Musician magazine prior to the release of Beach Boys '85. He said, 'for us to make a truly GREAT album, we need Brian in the studio calling the shots.' Mike was interviewed on Larry King in the late 80's, and a caller gave him the question, 'Mike - what did you think of Brian's solo album? (BW '88).' Mike's response was 'I thought it would've sounded much better as a Beach Boys album'

THEN, when Brian more or less got his sh*t together with Andy Paley in the early 90's, Carl walks out of the sessions. You can't win!

Oy vey. What a crazy dysfunctional bunch of guys...I love 'em!

Mike was a but more feisty about Brian's '88 album in a 1992 Goldmine interview:

Did you like his first solo album?

No.

You didn't like it?

f*** no.

What didn't you like about it?

First of all the lyrics. Second of all the arrangements weren't commercial enough. Third of all it sounded like sh*t compared to what he could sound like.

[ontor pertawst]

See, but this doesn't count because it was "a long time ago" and he says different silly stuff in interviews these days. Also, Keith Moon was pretty weird.

[Cam Mott]

I remember the 'quote', and I'm paraphrasing here:

From a M&B gig @ the pier in Seattle (circa 1999). I was walking down the sidewalk outside of the venue - could plainly hear the show. Mike said (ever so slightly paraphrasing) - "they say my cousin Brian is a genius. he IS...we tour and he sits home and collects the money"

YES!! that's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Almost to a word, too.

Cam, the live Beach Boys concerts are what I'm talking about.  Even when Carl and Al were still around.  80's and 90's. I took 'em as negative snide remarks towards Brian.

That's what I thought you meant Mikie. I take it as a joke, they were delivered as a joke. You think the rest of the group would have put a stop to it if it wasn't a joke? It also was true, right?

Did he also praise Brian at those concerts too?

[HeyJude]

Yes, those were jokes [but true] but did he not also seriously praise Brian in those shows? He almost always praises Brian in interviews even though the interview is for him.

Does Brian routinely [or at all] praise any of his bandmates in his shows when he is doing the Beach Boys catalog? Carl maybe?

I'd say there is a different standard for representing the "other" members of the band when you go out as "The Beach Boys."

Different standard meaning you are freed from praising your bandmates/brothers when performing the Beach Boys catalog? They aren't Beach Boys songs anymore and Brian isn't a Beach Boy and it's not praiseworthy to be praiseworthy of your bandmates if you aren't under license?

   

Just meant using the name carries a higher standard when it comes to representing the band. To me anyway.

[Mendota Heights]

Mike was a but more feisty about Brian's '88 album in a 1992 Goldmine interview:

Did you like his first solo album?

No.

You didn't like it?

f*** no.

What didn't you like about it?

First of all the lyrics. Second of all the arrangements weren't commercial enough. Third of all it sounded like sh*t compared to what he could sound like.

Seconded. BW88 is not a good album.

[Cam Mott]

I remember the 'quote', and I'm paraphrasing here:

From a M&B gig @ the pier in Seattle (circa 1999). I was walking down the sidewalk outside of the venue - could plainly hear the show. Mike said (ever so slightly paraphrasing) - "they say my cousin Brian is a genius. he IS...we tour and he sits home and collects the money"

Now full disclosure here; it was delivered and received as a joke. A joke. Mean spirited perhaps, but classic sardonic Mike (and this coming from a guy who has plenty of issues with the Lovester). Kind of a double edged joke, but basically harmless. That being said, in bad taste imo.

These guys have always had this weird relationship with their reclusive 'genius.' I remember Carl's interview in Musician magazine prior to the release of Beach Boys '85. He said, 'for us to make a truly GREAT album, we need Brian in the studio calling the shots.' Mike was interviewed on Larry King in the late 80's, and a caller gave him the question, 'Mike - what did you think of Brian's solo album? (BW '88).' Mike's response was 'I thought it would've sounded much better as a Beach Boys album'

THEN, when Brian more or less got his sh*t together with Andy Paley in the early 90's, Carl walks out of the sessions. You can't win!

Oy vey. What a crazy dysfunctional bunch of guys...I love 'em!

Mike was a but more feisty about Brian's '88 album in a 1992 Goldmine interview:

Did you like his first solo album?

No.

You didn't like it?

f*** no.

What didn't you like about it?

First of all the lyrics. Second of all the arrangements weren't commercial enough. Third of all it sounded like sh*t compared to what he could sound like.

This when Mike had just been slandered by Brian's autobiography and they were about to go to court because Brian had cheated him out of royalties and Mike still says of Brian in that interview "Hey, there's nobody more talented at arranging and writing".

[Cam Mott]

Yes, those were jokes [but true] but did he not also seriously praise Brian in those shows? He almost always praises Brian in interviews even though the interview is for him.

Does Brian routinely [or at all] praise any of his bandmates in his shows when he is doing the Beach Boys catalog? Carl maybe?

I'd say there is a different standard for representing the "other" members of the band when you go out as "The Beach Boys."

Different standard meaning you are freed from praising your bandmates/brothers when performing the Beach Boys catalog? They aren't Beach Boys songs anymore and Brian isn't a Beach Boy and it's not praiseworthy to be praiseworthy of your bandmates if you aren't under license?

   

Just meant using the name carries a higher standard when it comes to representing the band. To me anyway.

In other words, Brian doesn't much praise any of his bandmates.  Occasionally, but not as a rule where as his bandmates as a rule praise him in their interviews.

[BB Universe]

I've seen Mike tour at least 20+ times without Brian in the show since the early 80's and just about every concert (if not every concert) he acknowledged Brian in a positive manner (whether as writer, composer etc.). And, I do recall that "joke" being said in 1 of those years and recall that our friends at the show took it as meant to be funny (also someone here put it in context with the timing).

PS: Did BW ever thank the group for donating some of their share of the touring revenue (over and beyond any share BW received) to pay for the cost of his treatments which I recall reading is what did happen? They don't tour, no revenue.

Really, the sniping on the board should stop. All the guys have their share of credits and issues.

[HeyJude]

Yes, those were jokes [but true] but did he not also seriously praise Brian in those shows? He almost always praises Brian in interviews even though the interview is for him.

Does Brian routinely [or at all] praise any of his bandmates in his shows when he is doing the Beach Boys catalog? Carl maybe?

I'd say there is a different standard for representing the "other" members of the band when you go out as "The Beach Boys."

Different standard meaning you are freed from praising your bandmates/brothers when performing the Beach Boys catalog? They aren't Beach Boys songs anymore and Brian isn't a Beach Boy and it's not praiseworthy to be praiseworthy of your bandmates if you aren't under license?

   

Just meant using the name carries a higher standard when it comes to representing the band. To me anyway.

In other words, Brian doesn't much praise any of his bandmates.  Occasionally, but not as a rule where as his bandmates as a rule praise him in their interviews.

Nope, not what I said, nor what I meant or implied, nor is what you're saying necessarily true, and you of course know that. I'm bummed 15 years later that your posts are still like this.

Brian has rarely mentioned the others. Mike never mentions Al at his shows. Nobody mentions Blondie. I'm talking about standards for doing so, not who did do or how much.

[Cam Mott]

Yes, those were jokes [but true] but did he not also seriously praise Brian in those shows? He almost always praises Brian in interviews even though the interview is for him.

Does Brian routinely [or at all] praise any of his bandmates in his shows when he is doing the Beach Boys catalog? Carl maybe?

I'd say there is a different standard for representing the "other" members of the band when you go out as "The Beach Boys."

Different standard meaning you are freed from praising your bandmates/brothers when performing the Beach Boys catalog? They aren't Beach Boys songs anymore and Brian isn't a Beach Boy and it's not praiseworthy to be praiseworthy of your bandmates if you aren't under license?

   

Just meant using the name carries a higher standard when it comes to representing the band. To me anyway.

In other words, Brian doesn't much praise any of his bandmates.  Occasionally, but not as a rule where as his bandmates as a rule praise him in their interviews.

Nope, not what I said, nor what I meant or implied, nor is what you're saying necessarily true, and you of course know that. I'm bummed 15 years later that your posts are still like this.

Brian has rarely mentioned the others. Mike never mentions Al at his shows. Nobody mentions Blondie. I'm talking about standards for doing so, not who did do or how much.

Sorry to disappoint you. Maybe I don't get what you mean. Why would there be different standards for interpersonal praise because you had a license? Was Al praising Mike and Blondie while Al had his "license"?

[drbeachboy]

Have you ever noticed that when we snipe at each other, whether pro Brian, pro Mike, or pro Beach Boys that nothing anyone says ever changes any minds? Yet, we continue to fight because the other factions different than our own can never have the last word. Personally, except for 3 songs BW88 sucks, as does Mike's solo album. Considering they were the two main song writers in the band, you'd think both would have turned out much better than they did, especially Brian's, considering he has ALL the goods to do so.

[Mikie]

Mike was a but more feisty about Brian's '88 album in a 1992 Goldmine interview:

Did you like his first solo album?

No.

You didn't like it?

f*** no.

What didn't you like about it?

First of all the lyrics. Second of all the arrangements weren't commercial enough. Third of all it sounded like sh*t compared to what he could sound like.

Seconded. BW88 is not a good album.

Of course it's a good album. One of his best if not THE best solo.

Mike was just jealous 'cause he wasn't involved!

[Cam Mott]

Have you ever noticed that when we snipe at each other, whether pro Brian, pro Mike, or pro Beach Boys that nothing anyone says ever changes any minds? Yet, we continue to fight because the other factions different than our own can never have the last word. Personally, except for 3 songs BW88 sucks, as does Mike's solo album. Considering they were the two main song writers in the band, you'd think both would have turned out much better than they did, especially Brian's, considering he has ALL the goods to do so.

I've changed my mind despite sniping, you Snipe hater.  I used to be a Mike detractor and a Brian apologist or whatever non-snipey terms you care to use.

[Jim V.]

Guys I wouldn't bother with Cam. He has defended absolutely disgusting behavior by Mike. Sometimes however, he has provided a different view. Occasionally people here get too Brian-centric. But Cam is either fully a put-on, or he's just so blinded that he will defend anything out of Mike.

[Cam Mott]

Guys I wouldn't bother with Cam. He has defended absolutely disgusting behavior by Mike. Sometimes however, he has provided a different view. Occasionally people here get too Brian-centric. But Cam is either fully a put-on, or he's just so blinded that he will defend anything out of Mike.

Yeah. That's what's happening.

Later: I was going to let this roll, but, what the hell are you talking about: "has defended absolutely disgusting behavior by Mike"?

Sorry to disagree with your opinion but I'm pretty sure I've never asked anyone to ignore someone else over their opinion about a Beach Boy. Don't remember ever speculating that someone was possibly a put-on or "blind" because they didn't agree with my opinion of a Beach Boy. Not even OSD [tickles OSD and we both laugh].

[Cam Mott]

RE. "defended absolutely disgusting behavior by Mike".

OK, I'm going to wait awhile and see if anyone wants to clarify the whisper campaign this comment is based on.