So are we going to have this modern music (esp rap) is rubbish discussion then?

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

I've mentioned him on the board before, but if there's anyone here who hasn't listened to Sufjan Stevens, please do. He's brilliant.

Here's a few really good songs from him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRW2g2l49fk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otx49Ko3fxw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j8YKuhDCgA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTc--0sZbrE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59BRCOiQVKI

And something a little different from all the slower stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-L6kmssozY

[hypehat]

Not a fan of The Age Of Adz, I take it?  I love that album, it's ridiculous. Like a turbocharged version of the Illinoise songs with batshit arrangements, orchestras, synths....

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

Not a fan of The Age Of Adz, I take it?  I love that album, it's ridiculous. Like a turbocharged version of the Illinoise songs with batshit arrangements, orchestras, synths....

No, I love it! Vesuvius is my favorite track on it.
Do you dig All Delighted People? I like it a little better than Adz.

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

I may get hate, but I don't own a single rap song, I just don't like the style. Being attracted to the wonderful harmonies of the BB it's hard to love something that basically amounts to spoken poetry too quickly to understand. With that, most of the poetry revolves around similar themes that don't interest me...

I respect everyone's opinion, but I just can't dig it.

[the captain]

I may get hate, but I don't own a single rap song, I just don't like the style. Being attracted to the wonderful harmonies of the BB it's hard to love something that basically amounts to spoken poetry too quickly to understand. With that, most of the poetry revolves around similar themes that don't interest me...

I respect everyone's opinion, but I just can't dig it.

No hate from this side. I can't find fault with an honest and respectful "I just don't like it." That's fair. Many of the refutations I see on the genre are either dismissive ("It's not real music," "there is no talent involved") or borderline racist ("just a bunch of thugs glorifying guns / etc"). Not liking it is not liking it. (I would say that it's not too quick to understand for the people who listen to it. It's just too quick for someone unfamiliar--that's common through the eras. "I got no kick against modern jazz ... unless they try to play it too darn fast.")

[Dudd]

Oh goodness, the "dismissive" types. It's perfectly fine to dislike a genre (I myself don't get much out of rap) but there's no need to be snobbish about it. I just can't stand it when I search up a YouTube video for a BB song and the top comment is something like "this is real music - not like the CRAP we get today." Probably just a pet peeve, but that kind of stuff just really gets to me.

[seltaeb1012002]

I may get hate, but I don't own a single rap song, I just don't like the style. Being attracted to the wonderful harmonies of the BB it's hard to love something that basically amounts to spoken poetry too quickly to understand. With that, most of the poetry revolves around similar themes that don't interest me...

I respect everyone's opinion, but I just can't dig it.

Peep this. This was one of the first hip hop records I got into after already having a 6-7 year Beach Boys / Beatles only phase. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4qUdqLkj4g


Granted a lot of rap in 2013 is "trap" based, and not too interesting melodically, they are still very energetic records.

I always tell people, The Beach Boys were the first rappers in a way. Making pop songs about girls, cars, bragging, etc....

[the captain]

I always tell people, The Beach Boys were the first rappers in a way. Making pop songs about girls, cars, bragging, etc....

Jazz, and before that, blues, also has that component (pre-Beach Boys). Not cars, necessarily, but definitely a certain suggestive braggadocio. And I suspect so did every "folk" musical form throughout history, honestly.

(In some cases, blues singers were almost literally rapping. Listen to Robert Johnson doing "Red Hot," especially in the "she got two for a nickel, got four for a dime" part.)

[seltaeb1012002]

Oh goodness, the "dismissive" types. It's perfectly fine to dislike a genre (I myself don't get much out of rap) but there's no need to be snobbish about it. I just can't stand it when I search up a YouTube video for a BB song and the top comment is something like "this is real music - not like the CRAP we get today." Probably just a pet peeve, but that kind of stuff just really gets to me.

You and me both brother! Can't stand that mentality (and it hits close to home for me, because I actively make "modern" sounding records). Although I'll admit that up until high school I was almost completely shut off to current hits. In my senior year I started to find things in current music that I was able to appreciate. These days I have a great fondness for those records, the oldies, and still stay on top of current hits. Music is VERY interesting these days. Some of these EDM guys are doing amazing things sonically. Now I can listen to anything that's well constructed, in any genre, and be able to at the very least, respect it.

I always tell people, The Beach Boys were the first rappers in a way. Making pop songs about girls, cars, bragging, etc....

Jazz, and before that, blues, also has that component (pre-Beach Boys). Not cars, necessarily, but definitely a certain suggestive braggadocio. And I suspect so did every "folk" musical form throughout history, honestly.

(In some cases, blues singers were almost literally rapping. Listen to Robert Johnson doing "Red Hot," especially in the "she got two for a nickel, got four for a dime" part.)

You're absolutely right. Everything comes from somewhere, so to say "1st" would be inaccurate. I kinda knew that, but sorta meant in terms of massive success. Still, you're right. And I'm about to check out that Robert Johnson record. Thanks.

[Letsgoawayforawhile]

Anyone here listen to Childish Gambino?
Hip-Hop from the heart!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crl1MafE-Bo

[the captain]

And I'm about to check out that Robert Johnson record. Thanks.

It's an amazing song and performance!

[seltaeb1012002]

And I'm about to check out that Robert Johnson record. Thanks.

It's an amazing song and performance!

Just listened. Love it! Dude was clearly revolutionary. I'm about to dig into his catalogue!

[Myk Luhv]

Guys, as cute as it is that y'all think The Beach Boys rapped, they didn't (except "Smart Girls") since they were singers who maybe occasionally happened to rhyme while doing so. That's not enough to say they're "rapping". That they or any number of other rock groups might share some of the same subject matter as hip-hop shouldn't be surprising.

seltaeb1012002, Common is legit! "I Used To Love H.E.R." from his first album, Resurrection (1994) is classic.

Here dudes, have some blunted hip-hop: "Thug Waffle" by Flatbush Zombies. You gotta love a group that includes a smoke break in their songs, haha.

[seltaeb1012002]

Guys, as cute as it is that y'all think The Beach Boys rapped, they didn't (except "Smart Girls") since they were singers who maybe occasionally happened to rhyme while doing so. That's not enough to say they're "rapping". That they or any number of other rock groups might share some of the same subject matter as hip-hop shouldn't be surprising.

seltaeb1012002, Common is legit! "I Used To Love H.E.R." from his first album, Resurrection (1994) is classic.

Here dudes, have some blunted hip-hop: "Thug Waffle" by Flatbush Zombies. You gotta love a group that includes a smoke break in their songs, haha.

Definitely not saying they rapped, but I do feel their early swag might have been the 1st time that kind of "I'm The Man" attitude was made extremely popular in pop music.

And yeah, love that record by Common. Have you heard his new "Cocaine 80's" project with James Fauntleroy? Pretty amazing stuff.

I'll check out Thug Waffle after I'm done engineering this session. Smoke break in the song..haha. That's hilarious.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Definitely not saying they rapped, but I do feel their early swag might have been the 1st time that kind of "I'm The Man" attitude was made extremely popular in pop music.

That may be part of the reason why the BB have a surprisingly large following in the  hip/hop community.

[Myk Luhv]

Definitely not saying they rapped, but I do feel their early swag might have been the 1st time that kind of "I'm The Man" attitude was made extremely popular in pop music.

That may be part of the reason why the BB have a surprisingly large following in the  hip/hop community.

I'm skeptical but would love to be proven wrong: Who in the hip-hop community thinks The Beach Boys are the sh*t? I know Kanye apparently listened to Pet Sounds while he was recording 808s and Heartbreaks but I can't think of anyone else who has ever mentioned them.

edit: I've always though the third verse of "Little Honda" would be cool to see referenced in hip-hop. Mike Love is an OG with mad swag!

[LetHimRun]

Definitely not saying they rapped, but I do feel their early swag might have been the 1st time that kind of "I'm The Man" attitude was made extremely popular in pop music.

That may be part of the reason why the BB have a surprisingly large following in the  hip/hop community.

I'm skeptical but would love to be proven wrong: Who in the hip-hop community thinks The Beach Boys are the sh*t? I know Kanye apparently listened to Pet Sounds while he was recording 808s and Heartbreaks but I can't think of anyone else who has ever mentioned them.

edit: I've always though the third verse of "Little Honda" would be cool to see referenced in hip-hop. Mike Love is an OG with mad swag!

Questlove for one.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Also...Tupac Shakur and especially Dr Dre.

Mostly indie hip hop artists, though.
Here's one example

http://oudaily.com/news/2011/mar/09/beach-boys-inspire-local-rappers-new-album/

edit

^ I actually want to hear that album.

I dunno if Gucci Mayne is a BB fan or not, but he recently mentioned them in an interview and referred to them as 'The Silver Surfers... Cause they're old and gray but still pimpin'' 

I think that's a compliment.

[EgoHanger1966]

Definitely not saying they rapped, but I do feel their early swag might have been the 1st time that kind of "I'm The Man" attitude was made extremely popular in pop music.

That may be part of the reason why the BB have a surprisingly large following in the  hip/hop community.

I'm skeptical but would love to be proven wrong: Who in the hip-hop community thinks The Beach Boys are the sh*t? I know Kanye apparently listened to Pet Sounds while he was recording 808s and Heartbreaks but I can't think of anyone else who has ever mentioned them.

edit: I've always though the third verse of "Little Honda" would be cool to see referenced in hip-hop. Mike Love is an OG with mad swag!

Questlove for one.

One of my elementary school teachers was Questlove's sister.

[hypehat]

I dunno if Gucci Mayne is a BB fan or not, but he recently mentioned them in an interview and referred to them as 'The Silver Surfers... Cause they're old and gray but still pimpin'' 

I think that's a compliment.

That has to be a compliment. It is also amazing. Foskett should have said that introducing them to the stage

[Myk Luhv]

Also...Tupac Shakur and especially Dr Dre.

Mostly indie hip hop artists, though.
Here's one example

http://oudaily.com/news/2011/mar/09/beach-boys-inspire-local-rappers-new-album/

edit

^ I actually want to hear that album.

I dunno if Gucci Mayne is a BB fan or not, but he recently mentioned them in an interview and referred to them as 'The Silver Surfers... Cause they're old and gray but still pimpin'' 

I think that's a compliment.

I gotta say, I listened to some tracks from this group's MySpace page and they were pretty decent, though I don't think any of them were from this album.

Oh yeah, I forgot about Quest's love for Smile! I would not have expected Tupac or Dr. Dre to dig The BBs but I suppose it makes sense as Californians. Are there interviews anywhere that these guys mention The BBs explicitly? And it's completely awesome that Gucci likes them too, they should collaborate and finally release some worthwhile hip-hop~

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Are there interviews anywhere that these guys mention The BBs explicitly?

With Tupac, it was a TV interview when he was first coming out, and he was mentioning how diverse his musical tastes were. It also came out when he was talking about how California produced the best music, which is kind of funny when you realize he was an art school guy from Baltimore!

Dr Dre was being interviewed and was referred to as the 'Phil Spector of rap'. He responded that he 'still has work to do, then' because he'd rather be compared to Brian Wilson   That one was on YouTube but was one of the ones pulled for 'copyright violations'.

[Aegir]

I dunno if Gucci Mayne is a BB fan or not, but he recently mentioned them in an interview and referred to them as 'The Silver Surfers... Cause they're old and gray but still pimpin'' 

I think that's a compliment.

That has to be a compliment. It is also amazing. Foskett should have said that introducing them to the stage

Bri-ON will-sun!