Four more years!

[Bean Bag]

Someone bigger and badder comes along and overpowers you: you're only rights are what they might be kind enough to grant you....

Actually... it's not what rights a bully grants you.. but what rights they deny you.

It's very important to note this distinction.  It's not semantics or sarcasm... but a fundamental starting point that guides all our thinking down to the smallest detail.  Whether we know it or not.

Take the Right to Life for example.  You arrive alive.  Nobody can thus claim (with any shred of sanity -- unless you're Obama! ) -- "I say you're alive... and so it is!" or whatever.  You know?  I mean, that's Pharaoh jibberish.  He doesn't have that power, whether he knows it or not.

Nobody can give you rights.  You have them.  People can only deny you of them. 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Someone bigger and badder comes along and overpowers you: you're only rights are what they might be kind enough to grant you....

Actually... it's not what rights a bully grants you.. but what rights they deny you.

It's very important to note this distinction.  It's not semantics or sarcasm... but a fundamental starting point that guides all our thinking down to the smallest detail.  Whether we know it or not.

Take the Right to Life for example.  You arrive alive.  Nobody can thus claim (with any shred of sanity -- unless you're Obama! ) -- "I say you're alive... and so it is!" or whatever.  You know?  I mean, that's Pharaoh jibberish.  He doesn't have that power, whether he knows it or not.

Nobody can give you rights.  You have them.  People can only deny you of them. 

Oh yeah? Try getting that point across with the guy and his posse of thugs who have their guns aimed at you. If fact they'd probably heartily agree. "Yes, son. We are denying you rights"

Bean Bag, your hatred for Obama is well understood but it's beginning to obscure whatever point you are making..... And I like your points, even if I don't agree with him.

[Bean Bag]

Thanks man.  They're awesome points!

[Bean Bag]

Interesting discussion...setting up a new government.  Probably how the discussions would have started during the Constitutional Convention.  A nation that had just beaten the BIGGEST BADDEST nation in the world at that time.  Just a nation of farmers, land owners, shopkeepers, etc.  Different time/situation than now -- but still interesting as hell.



It was a nation of individuals that won the war.  Caves/farms.  With great men who brought us together and lead us through it.  Just because we're individuals, doesn't mean we don't get behind causes or each other.  Self-interest is far more empowering than -- say, "drafting," for example.  People had a stake in the game.  They were not living under the false pretense that it "wasn't their country," or just the "rich guy's country" or just for "powerful corporate interests."  They had ownership of what was theirs.  Property rights.  Individualism.  It empowers.



Afterwards, some of the best minds on the planet had these exact discussions.  How do we set up a gov't? They cared about what they were doing (this is important -- nobody was there for an Obamaphone.)  They came to a pretty good conclusion.  A comprise between folks just like yourselves.  Those wanting zippy government and those wanting some rules.  They agreed on it.



There's a lot more to the story -- the Constitution's original goal of freedom for all (women & slaves) would take a few more years to complete; the role of God and divinity in the lives of the founders, how it guided them.  

But here's what happened.  De-Education.  Today, Americans have forgotten what these men already solved.  To me... it's been solved for 200 years.  But the progressives (either Right or Left, doesn't matter) feel different.  They're "smarter."  They have a "better, more modern" idea.



Ok fine... but what about that old agreement?  The one that actually had individualists at the table.  "NO!  Individuals are crazy!  Unrealistic!  Can't be trusted...see? "  Progressives want nothing to do with individualism.  Not invited to the Convention.  But their Marxists friends?  Totally invited... it's time to explore these ideas.  Hell...it's INSPIRING them.  Today, it's a circle jerk of douchebags and criminals who went to Harvard.  They're making laws faster than they can print money.



This has been the decay -- for the last 100 years.  

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Nice to see some sort of balance creeping into your arguments

[Bean Bag]

Well, the founders took a balanced approach back then.  They made a system that spoke to & protected individualism -- while also providing that assurance.  But now, every "law maker" (that's a job?!  Do we need them??!?!) is anti-freedom.  Law makers are by definition.  

Individualism is now solely reserved for art schools and tattoo parlors and personalized licence plates.   That's where people really unleash!   


The hallowed halls of government have no Davey Crocketts.  But we're to blame.  We pick'em.