Sandy Hook Elementary School Shootings

[Jason]

You know, in the inner cities in the United States, hundreds of people are murdered every year. The general public doesn't really bat an eyelash. Is it because the victims aren't children or because the victims aren't white, middle class folks? That's why liberals are up in arms about the gun control thing again...to them, the NIMBY principle (not in MY back yard!) was broken. They don't mind if angry kids in the inner cities kill each other but if it happens to white people, we're gonna goshdarn go after the guns!

[Bean Bag]

I took NRA sources statement to mean that, if you want to have a discussion on preventing gun violence in America, you should be looking at a whole raft of other things first, including the ludicrous argument that video games influence these things (which gets trotted out EVERY TIME). They are not blaming relaxed gun laws, a lapsed assault rifle ban (lapsed under intense pressure from the NRA, natch) or any thing to do with the gun industry or their toxic organisation (last seen driving up sales by going 'Obama's GOING TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AND FREEDOM'). They're blaming Hollywood movies and a 'culture of violence'.


They have no evidence, as the graph shows. They are simply deflecting the issue, which as they have a wide range of influence, is grim. Would hardly expect such a deranged gang of sh*ts to be anything but panicked in light of this event, mind.  


That's my point. Hit your bong and get back to me as to why I'm a hypocrite. Please.

   No, no, no... you're not a hyprocrite!    I thought I made that clear... you're not a hypocrite.  You're just wrong and you're making their point, to boot!  The NRA said... "fine, let's talk about guns.  But let's also talk about other things that also have nothing to do with what happened.  And you scream: "no!!! those had nothing to do with what happened!"

 

[hypehat]

Let's talk about guns, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the shootings and massacres
That may be!

ie - saying 'guns don't kill people, video games do' is diversionary. Guns kill people.

[Bean Bag]

Let's talk about guns, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the shootings and massacres
That may be!

ie - saying 'guns don't kill people, video games do' is diversionary. Guns kill people.

Sung to the tune of "I can see clearly now, the rain is gone..."

I can see clearly now
I should live in fear.
There's a gun stalking me and his name is Charlie.

Yes...Charlie the gun.  Charlie's only intent is to shoot.  Bang! Bang! is all he can say.  He has no eyes, but wears sunglasses.  Well... he has eyes, but they do not see.  Well they see... but only targets.  He can't see anything else... including video games.  So no need to pull out a graph.  He can't even see the TV.

He has no arms... or legs.  So he can't walk.  He's a gun.  He's Charlie the gun.  He just sort of hops along... with each hop, he goes off.   BANG! BANG BANG!! BANG!!! -- he goes down the avenue.  This is actually quite helpful in alerting me to his presence ... and precisely the reason I've averted all his previous attempts thus far.



How this is not a diversionary tactic, brother... I can not say.     But, I'll play.  I've got a great imagination, so I can go all day.

So... what's the name of the gun following you?  Is it Spanky?

[hypehat]

If you want to have a fucking discussion, I'm ready when you are.

[Bean Bag]

If you want to have a f***ing discussion, I'm ready when you are.

Your move...

[rab2591]

So mentally ill people don't get their hands on assault rifles and kill 20 kids? Or is that the price of liberty to go shoot a sheet of paper down the range? Or go hunting?

Sub that for 'incredibly strict gun laws', then, Since I will never get my head around the fact the pro 2nd amendment crowd is the norm in the states. Guns are terrifying to everyone else, you know!

sh*t happens. Hundreds of thousands die of drunk driving around the world every year - yet NO ONE is crying out wanting to ban/regulate alcohol or the use of cars.

Even if you take away guns, humans will always find a way to kill

You know I love u dude but c'mon.

I don't think 'people are going to kill anyway' is a suitable brush off. That shouldn't mean it should be easy for them to gun down a school in a bulletproof vest.... a gun is also a lot different than homebrew biological warfare!

I think we're just cultural differences - I mean when I got burgled my presence alone scared the guy off! I must look like hell when I first wake up....  

I'm not brushing it off, that's just the world we live in. I admit, guns are an easy way for people to kill - but even if we somehow made every gun disappear, criminals/psychotics and their actions wouldn't magically disappear - they'd find other ways of harming others in mass.

sorry to hear about your breakin! I've had some close calls myself, heck, I've been shot at before - it's not at all a fun experience, and it's still shakes me up to this day...all the more reason I support the right to bear arms: criminals will always have access to firearms, and I should have the right to not feel afraid...especially in my own home.

And I love you too though Hypehat! Gah, I do wish we lived in a world where guns didn't exist and we could just chill out and listen to The Beach Boys all day

*edit for spelling

[Bean Bag]

You know, in the inner cities in the United States, hundreds of people are murdered every year. The general public doesn't really bat an eyelash. Is it because the victims aren't children or because the victims aren't white, middle class folks? That's why liberals are up in arms about the gun control thing again...to them, the NIMBY principle (not in MY back yard!) was broken. They don't mind if angry kids in the inner cities kill each other but if it happens to white people, we're gonna goshdarn go after the guns!

Excellent point.  I've always thought it was because it is they, the leftist DemoRats, who are running the inner cities.  So they don't talk about the never ending rot and violence there.  But ...you're right.  It could be racial.  They are the party totally fixated on race, gender... hey... maybe there's a new thread topic there... hmm.

Either way... it could be the whole assorted rainbow of sick human behavior guiding these Statists' reactions (or lack there of) with these types of awful events.  Taste the rainbow.  

I mean, shoot... look at the O-man's latest attack...

Obama: Conn. shooting should prod GOP on ‘fiscal cliff’ deal
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/19/obama-vows-veto-gop-tax-plan/

WHAT?!?!  Oh my!    Sicko!!  I know better than to speak ill of a tyrant in a public forum... so I'll just let that chestnut speak for itself.  Ties in nicely with my "bully" discussion in the Socialism In France thread.  Bully.  Thugs.  Punks.  It's all there... just sit back and watch it unfold!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Can we please just start a permanent "Right-Wingers" thread? Because that's really what it is around here. The nauseating group-think is simply rancid. If there were such a thread, posters could chime in and donate topics at their own risk. Because pretending there is actual well-rounded and diverse discourse going on around here is complete dishonesty. It's just a big circle jerk and I don't know why anyone bothers....

I'm not joking about this. I think it's a necessary thing to create.

And Bean Bag, your completely putrid lack of understanding of the causes of inner cities violence, or the inner cities as we know them is indicative of the laziness of the right and their giddiness at laying blame on the feet of those who attempt solutions while they themselves happily do nothing. You'll keep doing it without shame and it is disgusting. To take a complex issue and whittle it down to a simplicity that suits your selfish and psychopathic world view is the worst of the worst.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Interesting, well shaded article....

http://www.huduser.org/periodicals/cityscpe/vol3num3/article3.pdf

[Bean Bag]

Can we please just start a permanent "Right-Wingers" thread? Because that's really what it is around here. The nauseating group-think is simply rancid. If there were such a thread, posters could chime in and donate topics at their own risk. Because pretending there is actual well-rounded and diverse discourse going on around here is complete dishonesty. It's just a big circle jerk and I don't know why anyone bothers....

I'm not joking about this. I think it's a necessary thing to create.

And Bean Bag, your completely putrid lack of understanding of the causes of inner cities violence, or the inner cities as we know them is indicative of the laziness of the right and their giddiness at laying blame on the feet of those who attempt solutions while they themselves happily do nothing. You'll keep doing it without shame and it is disgusting. To take a complex issue and whittle it down to a simplicity that suits your selfish and psychopathic world view is the worst of the worst.

What, again with the lecturing?        Hey "Pinder," c'mon bro!  These are big issues.  It takes balls and brains.  Do leftists Demorats not run the inner cities?  I mean c'mon bro!!  What are you afraid of?  Why can't you take it?!  You can hang!  You can do it!  I know you can!  What did I say that was so, lacking?!  Are people not getting mowed down in the inner cities?  Yes they are.  And yes... I do lay blame.  You think these socialists, leftist, demoRats are "attempting solutions..." I say "present them."  Present these solutions.

Yeah... you want my solution to be simple?  You want me to "whittle it down" for you?  I don't know how you knew my solution was simple, since I hadn't presented it yet... but bravo, you win a gold star.  I'll make it simple.  Just for you, I'll bring it.  What you don't think I can do it?  Have you no faith?  Waaaalaa!!  Shabizz!  Simple it shall be.  Just for you.  And here it is:  Let my people go, bro.  Leftists -- vacate our cities.  Return them to us.  Vacate your positions of power.  Release DeTroit!  Release Los Angeles!  Release Chicago!  Let my people go!



As for the "right-wingers" thread... wouldn't that be segregation? 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Segregation? Nah! It will just be THE place for balls and brains! Naturally!

Please tell me how the inner cities are supposed to be released and how that will work? I'm not asking this as a baiting tactic. I'm honestly asking. Because I'll give any possible solution a listen.

And stop with the "bro" thing please or I'll start calling you Beeen Bahg!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

And there are no such things as leftists or liberals. Hate to break it to you....

There are only corporatists/fascists/right-wingers...... and then there are the rest of us....

[Paulos]

Everyone (not actually everyone) knows that guns aren't really the problem, people are the problem. Therefore, the easiest way to sort this out is to simply eradicate all people, preferably using guns. No people = no shootings, I'm a frickin' genius.

[SMiLE Brian]

Segregation? Nah! It will just be THE place for balls and brains! Naturally!

Please tell me how the inner cities are supposed to be released and how that will work? I'm not asking this as a baiting tactic. I'm honestly asking. Because I'll give any possible solution a listen.

And stop with the "bro" thing please or I'll start calling you Beeen Bahg!

WE NEED MORE OSD TALK AROUND HERE!!!!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Everyone (not actually everyone) knows that guns aren't really the problem, people are the problem. Therefore, the easiest way to sort this out is to simply eradicate all people, preferably using guns. No people = no shootings, I'm a frickin' genius.

Finally a man of action with some real solutions around here!

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

But wait! Who will take care of our guns when we're all eradicated? Won't they be sad and lonely?

[SMiLE Brian]

I say they enforce the 2nd amendment as it was written, Muskets for everybody!

[Paulos]

But wait! Who will take care of our guns when we're all eradicated? Won't they be sad and lonely?

The primates can look after them? Imagine a Tarsier packing heat!

[Bean Bag]

Segregation? Nah! It will just be THE place for balls and brains! Naturally!

Please tell me how the inner cities are supposed to be released and how that will work? I'm not asking this as a baiting tactic. I'm honestly asking. Because I'll give any possible solution a listen.

And stop with the "bro" thing please or I'll start calling you Beeen Bahg!
And there are no such things as leftists or liberals. Hate to break it to you....

There are only corporatists/fascists/right-wingers...... and then there are the rest of us....

Interesting.  I've always said Leftist, Socialists... Statists seems most appropriate.  I hate labels, because it just enables some childish tool to change one thing in their manifesto, and go "I'm not a liberal... I- I- I'm a progressive now!  See how stupid you are!"

   That kind of debate is a snoooooooze fest.

But... yes it would be segregation to have a "right-winger" thread.  Balls and brains would abound, true... but I think, ideas should compete.  In the open.  At least at the pro level.  Hacks like you guys should stay home!    Kidding.  But you know something... rarely do these things get debated.  They don't.  We don't debate like this.  People say... we need to dialogue on this... the nation needs to debate.  Sh-t let's do it.  Pick your guy, we'll pick our guy.  No f----king moderator!!  Wouldn't you love to see Left and Right collide?  I think you guys would get slaughtered.  I think Gingrich was onto something by challenging Obama to Lincoln/Douglas style debates.  Ah well... it's happen at some point.

OK... so how do you "release the inner cities?"  Simple... resign.  For example... Rahm Emanual... take you and all your a**face clowns and go.  Clean out your desk.  All of em.  Since we're playing in the Sandbox... and it's my idea -- I'll appoint someone to run it.  But no more liberals... or whatever they're calling themselves.

[SMiLE Brian]

But wait! Who will take care of our guns when we're all eradicated? Won't they be sad and lonely?

The primates can look after them? Imagine a Tarsier packing heat!

This sounds like a plausible plot for the next Planet of the Apes movie.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Segregation? Nah! It will just be THE place for balls and brains! Naturally!

Please tell me how the inner cities are supposed to be released and how that will work? I'm not asking this as a baiting tactic. I'm honestly asking. Because I'll give any possible solution a listen.

And stop with the "bro" thing please or I'll start calling you Beeen Bahg!
And there are no such things as leftists or liberals. Hate to break it to you....

There are only corporatists/fascists/right-wingers...... and then there are the rest of us....

Interesting.  I've always said Leftist, Socialists... Statists seems most appropriate.  I hate labels, because it just enables some childish tool to change one thing in their manifesto, and go "I'm not a liberal... I- I- I'm a progressive now!  See how stupid you are!"

   That kind of debate is a snoooooooze fest.

But... yes it would be segregation to have a "right-winger" thread.  Balls and brains would abound, true... but I think, ideas should compete.  In the open.  At least at the pro level.  Hacks like you guys should stay home!    Kidding.  But you know something... rarely do these things get debated.  They don't.  We don't debate like this.  People say... we need to dialogue on this... the nation needs to debate.  Sh-t let's do it.  Pick your guy, we'll pick our guy.  No f----king moderator!!  Wouldn't you love to see Left and Right collide?  I think you guys would get slaughtered.  I think Gingrich was onto something by challenging Obama to Lincoln/Douglas style debates.  Ah well... it's happen at some point.

OK... so how do you "release the inner cities?"  Simple... resign.  For example... Rahm Emanual... take you and all your a**face clowns and go.  Clean out your desk.  All of em.  Since we're playing in the Sandbox... and it's my idea -- I'll appoint someone to run it.  But no more liberals... or whatever they're calling themselves.

Well, now we're getting somewhere. I like this.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

But wait! Who will take care of our guns when we're all eradicated? Won't they be sad and lonely?

The primates can look after them? Imagine a Tarsier packing heat!

I wonder if our cats and dogs would "evolve" and start walking on their hind legs and packing our guns!!!!

[SMiLE Brian]

But wait! Who will take care of our guns when we're all eradicated? Won't they be sad and lonely?

The primates can look after them? Imagine a Tarsier packing heat!

I wonder if our cats and dogs would "evolve" and start walking on their hind legs and packing our guns!!!!

Also staff the NRA...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Hey, I have an idea! Why don't we be good liberals and start a Meals-On-Wheels type program where we'll deliver SmileySmile posts and threads to OSD who's been segregated to the Hoffman Board and he can ferry his responses back over through us?

This is something Jesus would do, right?