A contemporary of "Holidays"

[Micha]

I stumbled over this Kinks song from late 1966 called "Holiday In Waikiki":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQY0fKqVa0

Released October 28th, 1966. Though the two songs bear little musical similarity, it is quite interesting that SMiLE's "Holidays" mentions Waikiki and was written about the same time as this Kinks' song.

[I. Spaceman]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Hawaiian_Style_(album)


COINCIDENCE??!!

[halblaineisgood]

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[SufferingFools]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Hawaiian_Style_(album)


I think the second parenthesis didn't get picked up in the other link.

[SufferingFools]

I stumbled over this Kinks song from late 1966 called "Holiday In Waikiki":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQY0fKqVa0

Released October 28th, 1966. Though the two songs bear little musical similarity, it is quite interesting that SMiLE's "Holidays" mentions Waikiki and was written about the same time as this Kinks' song.

But wasn't the lyric to "On a Holiday" written in 2003?   

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I stumbled over this Kinks song from late 1966 called "Holiday In Waikiki":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQY0fKqVa0

Released October 28th, 1966. Though the two songs bear little musical similarity, it is quite interesting that SMiLE's "Holidays" mentions Waikiki and was written about the same time as this Kinks' song.

But wasn't the lyric to "On a Holiday" written in 2003?   

No.

[SufferingFools]

I stumbled over this Kinks song from late 1966 called "Holiday In Waikiki":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQY0fKqVa0

Released October 28th, 1966. Though the two songs bear little musical similarity, it is quite interesting that SMiLE's "Holidays" mentions Waikiki and was written about the same time as this Kinks' song.

But wasn't the lyric to "On a Holiday" written in 2003?   

No.

Meaning it was written in 1967?

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I stumbled over this Kinks song from late 1966 called "Holiday In Waikiki":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQY0fKqVa0

Released October 28th, 1966. Though the two songs bear little musical similarity, it is quite interesting that SMiLE's "Holidays" mentions Waikiki and was written about the same time as this Kinks' song.

But wasn't the lyric to "On a Holiday" written in 2003?   

No.

Meaning it was written in 1967?

Not exactly sure when they were written but Frank Holmes did the illustrations for the song based on the VDP lyrics in the 90s.

[The Shift]

I think the post-66/67 Frank Holmes artwork that incorporated the "new" lyrics was dated '93. Going from memory, but I believe it's in the book that came with your 5CD Smile set…

[SufferingFools]

I think the post-66/67 Frank Holmes artwork that incorporated the "new" lyrics was dated '93. Going from memory, but I believe it's in the book that came with your 5CD Smile set…

Thanks.  Guess I really should read that.   

[rab2591]

I think the post-66/67 Frank Holmes artwork that incorporated the "new" lyrics was dated '93. Going from memory, but I believe it's in the book that came with your 5CD Smile set…

According the artwork, it's '96

[The Shift]

Fair-dos… only three years out!

[Roger Ryan]

AGD asked Mr. Holmes about the '96 illustration for "Holidays" and the response was that the illustration was based on a lyric sheet provided by Van Dyke Parks in 1966. Moreover, these lyric sheets were returned to Mr. Parks in 2003 which suggests that they were requested in order to complete BWPS or, at the very least, they were available for consideration in completing the album.

[ash]

I've said it before  and i'll say it again but it was one of the few failings of the Smile box that the surviving original hand written lyrics weren't included in the book especially considering that Worms and Holidays were missing the lead vocals and iirc it does not state anywhere in the book that these songs were actually finished as compositions if not as recordings. They didn't even include them in the lyrics section. Why ?
How much were the Holidays lyrics revised for BWPS ? Just the rap or...
On a side note do we know for sure which other songs (apart from Cabin Essence) have original lyric sheets surviving in some form ?
Could clear up some issues if for example Heroes lyric sheet survived.
I remain convinced that work on the compositions was almost 100% finished quite early on but Brian's studio tinkering led to the songs appearing more unfinished than they were when recording began. If the original lyric sheets were in circulation maybe we could figure out the rest of the original lead vocal lines for Worms and Holidays given the "clues" on the Smile box.
Maybe Derren Brown could help Brian remember coz " i'm convinced of it that hypnosis of our minds can take us far away....."

[Freddie French-Pounce]

Maybe Derren Brown could help Brian remember coz " i'm convinced of it that hypnosis of our minds can take us far away....."

I don't know where, but he sends me there...

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Still can't believe that no lyrics from that era exist for Child.

[Alex]

Still can't believe that no lyrics from that era exist for Child.

There were lyrics... "Child child child father of the father of the man father of the man."

[Micha]

Still can't believe that no lyrics from that era exist for Child.

Who said there weren't any???

[Andrew G. Doe]

I've said it before  and i'll say it again but it was one of the few failings of the Smile box that the surviving original hand written lyrics weren't included in the book...

Try this for a thought - maybe they couldn't find any ?  You seem very sure there are surviving handwritten lyrics from some 45 years ago. Why ?

They didn't even include them in the lyrics section. Why ?

Because they're not actually sung on any of the discs in the box ?

[ash]

Hi Andrew
though i'm sure you'll correct me if i'm wrong i thought Frank Holmes had the hand written lyrics for Worms,Cabin Essence and as it turns out Holidays . Maybe they weren't handwritten but some were printed in the ESQ article on Frank Holmes in the 90s as you know. Were these  later returned to Van or David Leaf (?) and then on to Brian ? The story i heard (not that it's definitely correct ! ) is that Brian and Darian were using the lyrics for Worms while working on BWPS , couldn't read a word and BW rang or faxed Van Dyke Parks to ask him what it was.
I think i also remember reading that much of Park's "stuff" from that era including lyrics were lost/damaged by a flood at his place.

[Andrew G. Doe]

My point being, do you really think they didn't look for memorabilia like that for the book, or that having found it, decided not to include it ?

And yes, the story goes that, being unable to decipher the word following "beaded cheering", Brian first called Van Dyke, then faxed him the sheet and the latter revealed it was "Indians", thus facilitating his involvement in the project. But that was in 2003. Seemingly said lyric sheet vanished in the interim. If it was indeed an original in the first place.

When I met VDP for the first time in 1985, pretty much the first thing he said to me was (I paraphrase) "I'll bet you're wanting to ask me all about Smile - well, my former wife has all that stuff, you'll have to get in touch with her", after which we had a splendid (and largely BB-free) evening at his place. 

[ash]

Thanks for the reply and info Andrew. Shame if the lyrics have since disappeared. Maybe Brian put them in the Smile master reel tape box!!!
As far as the book went for the box i was hoping that each track would have a little more detail composition wise as much for the people who aren't keen/obsessive Smilers as those who are.
I do tend to believe that nearly all if not all the songs bar Elements were finished as compositions. Holidays,Worms, probably I Ran (as there is a lost vocal session),Heroes and the others we do know about could probably all have been played on piano and sung by Brian in august/sept/october 1966. They were all fully arranged as instrumentals and it looks like the backing vocals were worked out if not 100% recorded. All that was left for some (like Cabinessence and surf's up part 1) was for BW to choose who was to sing lead or for him to do it. There's no reference to these missing leads in the booklet (i think ,can't check right now) but it would have made the state of the surviving tapes clearer in my opinion. I never bought DP's a lot of Smile was mostly instrumental theory. The lack of input from Van Dyke Parks in the box has been mentioned before and is a great shame. Even a one page Q and A about each of the songs would've been really nice. His involvement in the original writing was obviously critical.
BTW Smile has been my favourite album since about 1988 and remains so to this day. Anyone who has not heard Van's Song Cycle lp should purchase it immediately.

[Andrew G. Doe]

There's a reason for VDP's lack of direct involvement in the box, which will doubtless emerge in the fullness of time.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Still can't believe that no lyrics from that era exist for Child.

Who said there weren't any???

No one. I'm not sure on your point.

[Micha]

Still can't believe that no lyrics from that era exist for Child.

Who said there weren't any???

No one. I'm not sure on your point.

Maybe I missed your point? At the time I wrote that, I thought you meant VDP didn't make up any lyrics for CIFOTM in 1966. Now I tend to think you meant that no piece of paper still exists with 1966 CIFOTM written down on it.

My point was, I don't think that 1966 lyrics for CIFOTM never existed, but they may be lost now.