Graham Nash and David Crosby praise Brian Wilson

[GoogaMooga]

Crosby and Nash also praise Brian Wilson in the film, "I Just Wasn't Made for These Times", here are their comments in an article by Peter Ames Carlin:

from http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/2004/4/2004_4_40.shtml

“Brian was way advanced of what anybody was doing at that point, and I think the Beatles recognized that,” Graham Nash recalled in the mid-1990s, thinking back to his days as a member of the British pop band the Hollies. David Crosby, his future band mate in Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, reached the same conclusion. “I thought, I give up. I’ll never be able to do that,” he said. “Brian was the most highly regarded pop musician in America, hands down.”

[A Million Units In Jan!]

If I recall, they also place GV in the 70's, don't they?

[metal flake paint]

If I recall, they also place GV in the 70's, don't they?

From memory I think that was Lenny Waronker.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

No, but Crosby asked "What year did In My Room come out?" To which Nash replied "65?"
I am pretty sure it came out in 1963 here in the states. Maybe it came out in 65 over seas?

[Andrew G. Doe]

No, but Crosby asked "What year did In My Room come out?" To which Nash replied "65?"
I am pretty sure it came out in 1963 here in the states. Maybe it came out in 65 over seas?

Nash also talks about the advert Andrew Oldham took out in the UK music press saying "Buy Pet Sounds". There's a very good reason why you don't see it in the film right after he says that: it never existed. 

[Menace Wilson]

No, but Crosby asked "What year did In My Room come out?" To which Nash replied "65?"
I am pretty sure it came out in 1963 here in the states. Maybe it came out in 65 over seas?

Nash also talks about the advert Andrew Oldham took out in the UK music press saying "Buy Pet Sounds". There's a very good reason why you don't see it in the film right after he says that: it never existed. 

Woah, really?  So that whole thing about Oldham taking out a full page in praise of PS is a myth? 

[Andrew G. Doe]

No, but Crosby asked "What year did In My Room come out?" To which Nash replied "65?"
I am pretty sure it came out in 1963 here in the states. Maybe it came out in 65 over seas?

Nash also talks about the advert Andrew Oldham took out in the UK music press saying "Buy Pet Sounds". There's a very good reason why you don't see it in the film right after he says that: it never existed. 

Woah, really?  So that whole thing about Oldham taking out a full page in praise of PS is a myth? 

Yeah - someone's misremembering when he took out an ad saying, in essence, "don't buy Cilla Black's version of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin", buy The Righteous Brothers version". The makers of the 1995 show asked me to research the Pet Sounds ad, which I'd already done, so I told 'em it didn't exist... but they insisted I do it again, so the upshot was, they paid me $XXX to look for something I knew wasn't there. All the clippings you see in the show are the ones I found, plus I get a credit at the end.

[Jason]

It should be noted that we're relying on the memories of two musicians who, individually, probably kept a few pushers in business. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Andrew G. Doe]

It should be noted that we're relying on the memories of two musicians who, individually, probably kept a few pushers in business. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

Regarding the Oldham Pet Sounds advert, there's no doubt to give anyone the benefit of: I looked through every 1966 issue of every UK rock magazine, and the first six months of 1967 for good measure. It doesn't exist. Fact.

[Jason]

I wasn't referring specifically to that particular fact; more or less the alleged dates that certain songs came out, according to them.

[buddhahat]

It should be noted that we're relying on the memories of two musicians who, individually, probably kept a few pushers in business. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

Regarding the Oldham Pet Sounds advert, there's no doubt to give anyone the benefit of: I looked through every 1966 issue of every UK rock magazine, and the first six months of 1967 for good measure. It doesn't exist. Fact.

That's a shame - I always loved the idea that Oldham did that. I remember reading about the Righteous Bros Ad he put out and thinking "wow, Andrew Loog oldham was a pretty generous guy, putting all these ads out to promote other people's records!!"

[Andrew G. Doe]

It should be noted that we're relying on the memories of two musicians who, individually, probably kept a few pushers in business. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt.

Regarding the Oldham Pet Sounds advert, there's no doubt to give anyone the benefit of: I looked through every 1966 issue of every UK rock magazine, and the first six months of 1967 for good measure. It doesn't exist. Fact.

That's a shame - I always loved the idea that Oldham did that. I remember reading about the Righteous Bros Ad he put out and thinking "wow, Andrew Loog oldham was a pretty generous guy, putting all these ads out to promote other people's records!!"

I know he held the UK publishing for Pet Sounds ... did he hold it for "YLTLF" too ?  

Oh, and it worked, too. 

[GoogaMooga]

What is YLTLF?

[Mike's Beard]

You've lost that loving feeling. Whoahh that loving feeling.

[donald]

You've lost that loving feeling. Whoahh that loving feeling.

wo wo wo FEELINGS!!.......      wO wO wO my love!  WHATS NEW p*ssy CAT?   WO WO WO WO !  Shes a Lady! WO WO WO shes a laaaadeee

Do you know the way to San Jose?  wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo wo

WHOA..thats about enough of that!

[lupinofan]

No, but Crosby asked "What year did In My Room come out?" To which Nash replied "65?"
I am pretty sure it came out in 1963 here in the states. Maybe it came out in 65 over seas?

Unless "In My Room" was on an earlier UK single or EP, the "Surfer Girl" LP wasn't issued in the UK until 1967, if memory serves correctly. Mr. Doe?

EDIT: No need to bother Andrew directly. His website comes up with the full skinny:
"Fun, Fun, Fun" EP issued in the UK June 1964.
"Best Of The Beach Boys" LP issued in the UK November 1966.
"Surfer Girl" LP issued in the UK March 1967.

So "In My Room"'s first LP issue in the UK was on a hits compilation.

[Myk Luhv]

Hahaha, it's totally awesome that Surfer Girl was released in the UK after Pet Sounds. I think that makes it even more remarkable that they were even more popular over there than in their homeland, considering that disparity between those albums in terms of sophistication, style, and substance!

[Andrew G. Doe]

Hahaha, it's totally awesome that Surfer Girl was released in the UK after Pet Sounds. I think that makes it even more remarkable that they were even more popular over there than in their homeland, considering that disparity between those albums in terms of sophistication, style, and substance!

There was a sticker on it that said something like "early recordings". 

[punkinhead]

No, but Crosby asked "What year did In My Room come out?" To which Nash replied "65?"
I am pretty sure it came out in 1963 here in the states. Maybe it came out in 65 over seas?

Nash also talks about the advert Andrew Oldham took out in the UK music press saying "Buy Pet Sounds". There's a very good reason why you don't see it in the film right after he says that: it never existed. 

Woah, really?  So that whole thing about Oldham taking out a full page in praise of PS is a myth? 

Yeah - someone's misremembering when he took out an ad saying, in essence, "don't buy Cilla Black's version of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin", buy The Righteous Brothers version". The makers of the 1995 show asked me to research the Pet Sounds ad, which I'd already done, so I told 'em it didn't exist... but they insisted I do it again, so the upshot was, they paid me $XXX to look for something I knew wasn't there. All the clippings you see in the show are the ones I found, plus I get a credit at the end.

What 1995 show is that? The I Just wasn't Made for These Times doc?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Yup.

[Mark Howell]

That's a quote from the "I Wasn't Made For These Times" dvd (which they were in).  Great dvd.

[Aegir]

No, but Crosby asked "What year did In My Room come out?" To which Nash replied "65?"
I am pretty sure it came out in 1963 here in the states. Maybe it came out in 65 over seas?

Unless "In My Room" was on an earlier UK single or EP, the "Surfer Girl" LP wasn't issued in the UK until 1967, if memory serves correctly. Mr. Doe?

EDIT: No need to bother Andrew directly. His website comes up with the full skinny:
"Fun, Fun, Fun" EP issued in the UK June 1964.
"Best Of The Beach Boys" LP issued in the UK November 1966.
"Surfer Girl" LP issued in the UK March 1967.

So "In My Room"'s first LP issue in the UK was on a hits compilation.

Quick, try to think about what year "Tubthumping" by Chumbawamba came out. Don't think too hard about it, just come up with an answer immediately. Odds are it'll be off by a year or two, even if you really liked the song. Now imagine 20 years from now trying to think about what year it came out. I think Nash simply was misremembering.

also, this is just my opinion, and I wasn't around in the 60s, but In My Room sounds more like a 1965 song than a 1963 song. when I first heard Beach Boys Concert (recorded December 1963), early on in me getting into the Beach Boys, it was incredible hearing In My Room in the context of the rest of their setlist. It just sounded so far beyond any of the other songs on that album.

[perceval]

Can't fault them for being off by a couple of years regarding the release of a song that wasn't theirs nearly a half century ago.  I love the Ike and Tina version of River Deep, Mountain High, but if you asked me, right now, what year it was released, I'd probably be a year or two off in my guess. 

But, it once again demonstrates the high regard Brian's contemporaries had for him.