The Beach Boys + Wikipedia = Wrinkles

[Aegir]

I think Quzi is talking about the Beach Boys wikipedia article.

[Matt H]

OK, that makes sense.  I have been adding album pages this morning.  I will create a skeleton Beach Boys page.

[Don Malcolm]

Keep at it guys, I think you can do something really useful and informative with this approach. And, no, it's not a good idea to poke Andrew with comments about Mike...

Thought the H&V "sessions" page looked awesome. A nice way to reformat things. Stay with it--we all appreciate the effort!

[Quzi]

What do you guys think?

Old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Beach_Boys&oldid=519900340
New:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beach_Boys

[I. Spaceman]

The section on James Watt is still inaccurate. Guitarfool2002 has the correct accounting of those events.

[Matt H]

What do you guys think?

Old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Beach_Boys&oldid=519900340
New:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beach_Boys

I think you should make that the main article on our new wiki site.

[Quzi]

I only did the fantastic introduction  the rest of the article is really, really messy and I'd fear for my sanity if I tackled it all tonight! At the moment, I'm just tidying up the Love You article. I gave it a plug in the introduction I wrote so it's likely to get a bit of traffic. If the article's touched up with a bit of paint formatting wise, perhaps I'll be able to subliminally cooerce a few more people to listen to my favourite album 

[Matt H]

You should add your edits here as well:

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/The_Beach_Boys

[Aegir]

At the moment, I'm just tidying up the Love You article. I gave it a plug in the introduction I wrote so it's likely to get a bit of traffic. If the article's touched up with a bit of paint formatting wise, perhaps I'll be able to subliminally cooerce a few more people to listen to my favourite album 

this is the problem with the articles being written by fans. you shouldn't be trying to change anyone's mind. wikipedia is supposed to be non-biased.

[Quzi]

At the moment, I'm just tidying up the Love You article. I gave it a plug in the introduction I wrote so it's likely to get a bit of traffic. If the article's touched up with a bit of paint formatting wise, perhaps I'll be able to subliminally cooerce a few more people to listen to my favourite album 

this is the problem with the articles being written by fans. you shouldn't be trying to change anyone's mind. wikipedia is supposed to be non-biased.

I'm not making it biased or change anyone's mind! I'm just updating a more accurate photo and using tables instead of walls of text to put across the sourced information. I'm just taking crapness of the article so I can present the facts straight ^_^

[Matt H]

I just created a new Album box, but am having issues with extraneous text showing up around the covers.  Can anyone take a look at the template to see what needs to be changed?

[runnersdialzero]

At the moment, I'm just tidying up the Love You article. I gave it a plug in the introduction I wrote so it's likely to get a bit of traffic. If the article's touched up with a bit of paint formatting wise, perhaps I'll be able to subliminally cooerce a few more people to listen to my favourite album  

this is the problem with the articles being written by fans. you shouldn't be trying to change anyone's mind. wikipedia is supposed to be non-biased.

That's Wikipedia, though, which is a total mess rules-wise. A fan-run wiki does not have to abide by the main Wikipedia rules 100% of the time.

Just sayin' - I'd discourage a wiki article reading like an advertisement or something, but still, we don't have to stay strict to the rules of another website.

Edit: Nevermind, realized he was talking about the actual Love You Wikipedia page and not our wiki Love You page.

[runnersdialzero]

Also, I'd encourage folks to get album artwork from albumartworkexchange.com Great, great site with a focus on quality scans and edits.

[SamMcK]

God you people almost make me wish I wasn't so lazy so I could contribute something!

[Matt H]

I just created a new Album box, but am having issues with extraneous text showing up around the covers.  Can anyone take a look at the template to see what needs to be changed?

Just saw how runners fixed it.  I fixed all the albums I put out there.

[runnersdialzero]

I just created a new Album box, but am having issues with extraneous text showing up around the covers.  Can anyone take a look at the template to see what needs to be changed?

Just saw how runners fixed it.  I fixed all the albums I put out there.

Thanks fer creating the boxes, d00d. I have no idea what I'm doing with that sort of thing, really.

[runnersdialzero]

What do you guys think?

Old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Beach_Boys&oldid=519900340
New:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beach_Boys

I know I'm being petty, but the furthered insistence upon calling the project itself SMiLE, a fan invention that unfortunately started being used by people in power, still makes my blood boil. It's all over Wikipedia now and is applied in a number of instances where it shouldn't be. The 2011 compilation is in fact officially called The SMiLE Sessions, I'll give you that (begrudgingly), but all contemporary literature on the matter simply refers to the aborted 1966/1967 album or project as Smile. Never, ever, ever is it called SMiLE anywhere in the 60s.

Even up until the early 2000s, it was still almost always referred to as Smile and never referred to as SMiLE by anyone who'd have authority on the matter. I really don't feel like putting up the necessary fight about it on Wikipedia, though, as I'm sure it's a lost cause and it's not something I really feel like investing myself in, but jeez.

[mikeyj]

I just created a new Album box, but am having issues with extraneous text showing up around the covers.  Can anyone take a look at the template to see what needs to be changed?

It was nothing wrong with the template although I did tidy that up a bit. The problem occurred when you (or whoever did the edits) put brackets around the image path. So for example

| image      = [[File:Beachb-goodvi 03.jpg]]

Instead of

| image      = File:Beachb-goodvi 03.jpg

[runnersdialzero]

Anyone wanna make a song box? I wanna get those started, too.

[mikeyj]

Anyone wanna make a song box? I wanna get those started, too.

Any ideas on what it should contain and/or look like?

[runnersdialzero]

Standard stuff: Length (allow spots for multiple releases if such a thing can be done, as many songs have been released in multiple edits), written by, produced by, recording dates, label, and possibly something like "status" in order to put stuff like "released", "unreleased but circulates as studio version", "unreleased but circulates as live version", that sort of stuff. Obviously modify anything as you see fit. These are just suggestions.

As for looks, I'd say make it just like the single box to include cover artwork.

Edit: Also, the stuff that's typically at the bottom of the boxes in order to navigate through album tracks.

[mikeyj]

Standard stuff: Length (allow spots for multiple releases if such a thing can be done, as many songs have been released in multiple edits), written by, produced by, recording dates, label, and possibly something like "status" in order to put stuff like "released", "unreleased but circulates as studio version", "unreleased but circulates as live version", that sort of stuff. Obviously modify anything as you see fit. These are just suggestions.

As for looks, I'd say make it just like the single box to include cover artwork.

Edit: Also, the stuff that's typically at the bottom of the boxes in order to navigate through album tracks.

Okay cool. Should I try and just copy something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Know_There%27s_an_Answer

As for listing all the lengths of the different versions I think that should be separate from the infobox. Ie: in the article we could have a heading "Alternate versions" or something and list all of them there. I think just the length of the album and (if applicable) the single versions should suffice. But of course I don't have the final say on these matters so if you think otherwise feel free to change anything you see fit. I think once we get a lot of the articles up and running then more people will (hopefully) start contributing.

[runnersdialzero]

Yeah, that'd be cool.
As for the alternate versions, see here: http://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=O_Girl (Ignore the RC# and COR# categories, those don't apply to the Beach Boys)

Yay or nay on having multiple lengths in the box?

Thanks again ^_^

[mikeyj]

Yeah, that'd be cool.
As for the alternate versions, see here: http://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/index.php?title=O_Girl (Ignore the RC# and COR# categories, those don't apply to the Beach Boys)

Yay or nay on having multiple lengths in the box?

Thanks again ^_^

Well I still say we should just have the album and single versions listed. Otherwise for certain songs there might be like 10 different versions listed and that'd just be overkill imo. We can always change these things at a later date though so I don't think we should worry about it too much at the moment.

I do think we need to be on the same page though in terms of formatting pages in the same way. So for example on articles about people we should insert this just above the categories:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Last name, First name}}

Eg:

{{DEFAULTSORT:Wilson, Brian}}

[mikeyj]

Okay so I've made a song infobox which is virtually the same as a single/album infobox but I still have to add the track listing which could be a little tricky:

{{infobox song
| Name       =
| Artist     =
| Album      =
| Released   =
| Recorded   =
| Genre      =
| Length     =
| Label      =
| Composer   =
| Producer   =
}}