Wild Honey-a new document appears...

[I. Spaceman]

Scans/copies of these documents have been posted, re-posted, and available online for at least 6 years, possibly even 8. So they're not new discoveries, and some discussions specifically about the contents of them, the handwriting (who wrote what, etc), the lesser-known song titles, and all of it - it's not as much new information or a new discovery as it is someone deciding to offer them for sale. We were fortunate in the first place to see the scans made available those years ago, and possibly before that for whoever had seen them earlier.

I guess the point is how much great information and how many really interesting and informative *online* discussions of the past 6-8-10 (whatever) years don't seem to have much in the way of staying power, and tend to be forgotten or overlooked where the old-fashioned physical books containing the information still remain the most constant sources? Because I know those same documents were analyzed, proselytized, psychedelicized, and jazzercised on at least two boards I know of - this and The Smile Shop - and I thought just about all the "facts" you could get on them were already laid out.

For those interested, maybe a quick search of "Wild Honey memo" or something similar would be a good call. I can't afford to pay anything close to that for pieces of paper, but that collection would be cool to have hanging on the wall. 

Same exact thoughts I had.

[filledeplage]

If David confirmed that that's Brian's handwriting on the sheet with the original track listing, then I think he needs to go see an occulist, because it isn't - that cursive is nothing like Brian's handwriting at any stage of his life.

Oh, and Peter - you know better than most was Brother 9002 was. 

The black ink in cursive looks like Palmer Method of handwriting. The Palmer classroom charts would show that "t" - in lower case as as well as that lower case "r."

Only the last page were there is printing does it even resemble anything I've ever seen of Brian's over the area with the cross out of "The Letter."  I agree with Andrew.

[Mikie]

Sorry, Guitarfool. Didn't see your post before reiterating that the documents aren't new to the Internet.  I remember first seeing them in the early 2,000's.  Would be interesting to know who's possessed them over the years.....

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

If I get the right chords for "Lonely Days" I already wrote a bridge and fade, so if you want it, GIMME THE CHORDS.

You'll forgive us if we're not overly enthusiastic about the songwriting exploits of someone who can't figure out a few chords...

I have them, I just want someone else to make sure I have the correct chords.

[Mikie]

Can you say "Please"?   

Let me go out on a limb here and suggest that you probably won't get a good response after you say, "GIMME THE CHORDS". 

Just a thought........ 

[Rocky Raccoon]

I thought "Can't Wait Too Long" was slated to be part of Wild Honey.  Or was that from yet another tracklisting?  I can't imagine they wouldn't have at least considered it for an album at all, it's way too good.

[MBE]

 Brian and I discussed the original Wild Honey a bit. Nothing said that isn't here, but he did remember Mike singing The Game Of Love.

[guitarfool2002]

I know I've posted these exact samples on at least two other threads in the past for similar reasons, but I think it's worth reposting them here for those who aren't as familiar with it.

What I'm posting have been gathered from online auctions, or random appearances of these scans when they have showed up wherever they showed up. These are handwriting samples, most dating from the years 66-67 or thereabouts.

First, Brian in a memo to Michael Vosse:


Next, another Brian note:


Now, the Yellow legal-pad paper Wild Honey memo:


Notice the way all the "R" letters are capitalized in the same style, along with other similar lettering. Could that be the same person's handwriting on all three of the above? The only addition there is whoever scribbled "Steve And Arny" in the margin.


Next, compare the handwritten "Smile Tracklist" memo to the Wild Honey tracklist:



Notice the unique "I" and especially the "Y", and it can be assumed the same person wrote on both of those tracklists.

And this is Diane Rovell:



I'm not a handwriting analyst, not even close to that field, but even with an untrained eye when you look at them and compare, you can almost put together the who-wrote-what puzzle, at least enough for a few of the items in the "Wild Honey" memo package.

I'm wondering if there are any guesses who wrote in red ink on the WH tracklist.

[guitarfool2002]

And please fire away: If anything isn't right about those samples or my captioning/ID of them, *please* post the corrections! It would be great to confirm or re-confirm exactly who wrote these things, because even though I think it has been covered before, I'm thinking one of my "Brian" papers may not be Brian as I looked closer, so please correct anything that needs it.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Re: Brian's handwriting - some may recall that a few years ago Christie's of London were set to offer at auction some letters allegedly to his then girlfriend Betsey. I contacted them and pointed out that, aside from the internal evidence being entirely inaccurate ('Brian' claimed the BB had played a show with The Beatles), the handwriting was by two different people, neither of whom was BD Wilson. The lot was withdrawn - there's a thread about it somewhere . -

That said, I would say all the samples below are Brian - note the open dot over the lower case i - except for the handwritten Smile & Wild Honey track listings. Yes, even the one 'signed' by Diane. Compare with the note to David about the Capitol photoshoot (1993 box set booklet, Jon's book), which cannot possibly have been written by Diane.

[Aegir]

also, cars can't read!

[Jay]

What's the story on that paper "describing" each member?

[Roger Ryan]

Note that the uniform "T"s in the WILD HONEY note are not replicated in the notes by Brian - I doubt it's his writing.

[Custom Machine]

These are from my old Collection....and are genuine......The pregnant question is...what was Brother 9002?

Am I correct in assuming that these came from the Capitol Records archives?