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« on: September 07, 2012, 12:13:18 PM »

Question for ya'll: does anyone remember a book called Beatlesongs? http://www.amazon.com/Beatlesongs-William-J-Dowlding/dp/0671682296/ref=pd_sim_b_5  Putting aside any inaccuracies, what was so cool about this book was that 1) it assigned percentage song writing credit to the credited songwriters (e.g. and I'm just making this up because I don't have the book in front of me) - Day Tripper - Lennon 65%, McCartney 35%, and 2) it provided a comprehensive list of all the instruments played on every Beatles song recorded and, best of all, WHO PLAYED IT. I was listening to Carl and the Passions recently and  was wondering whether the Beach Boys were playing by themselves on the record at that point and who plays what. Any chance there's some book, resource, website, compendium that has the kind of info Beatlesongs has, but for the Beach Boys? I'm particularly interested in specifically who plays what in each song....

Thanks!!!
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 12:39:09 PM »

There is no one resource that covers the whole catalog perfectly. 

The Badman book has a lot of that info but it is often incomplete and inaccurate.

This is the best resource http://beachboysarchives.com/ but is not comprehensive (yet?)

Asking any specific question here will usually get a good response.

I was listening to Carl and the Passions recently and was wondering whether the Beach Boys were playing by themselves on the record at that point and who plays what.

The Beach Boys themselves, plus Ricky and Blondie, plus some of their road people played on CATP:ST, yes.  I don't know that a comprehensive breakdown has been attempted, and the AFM sheets are not great for that time, I think.  Craig?
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 12:55:12 PM »

Thanks - much appreciated.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2012, 02:04:58 PM »

Question for ya'll: does anyone remember a book called Beatlesongs? http://www.amazon.com/Beatlesongs-William-J-Dowlding/dp/0671682296/ref=pd_sim_b_5  Putting aside any inaccuracies, what was so cool about this book was that 1) it assigned percentage song writing credit to the credited songwriters (e.g. and I'm just making this up because I don't have the book in front of me) - Day Tripper - Lennon 65%, McCartney 35%, and 2) it provided a comprehensive list of all the instruments played on every Beatles song recorded and, best of all, WHO PLAYED IT. I was listening to Carl and the Passions recently and  was wondering whether the Beach Boys were playing by themselves on the record at that point and who plays what. Any chance there's some book, resource, website, compendium that has the kind of info Beatlesongs has, but for the Beach Boys? I'm particularly interested in specifically who plays what in each song....

Thanks!!!

Revolution in the Head does this too, and better (to my mind).
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2012, 02:13:47 PM »

The Beatles get everything.

I think there's a book that catalogs all the Beatles farts, and when and where they happened.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2012, 02:20:34 PM »

The Beatles get everything.

I think there's a book that catalogs all the Beatles farts, and when and where they happened.

There's more than just one, with clear conflicts on dates, manner of farting, etc. There are boards devoted to the debates (which get pretty brutal) over these dates.
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2012, 02:30:04 PM »

Lennon's farts were much smellier and more meaningful than Paul's mellifluous, tooty farts.
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2012, 02:46:01 PM »

George didn't fart often, but boy, when he did...........
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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2012, 02:57:12 PM »

Question for ya'll: does anyone remember a book called Beatlesongs? http://www.amazon.com/Beatlesongs-William-J-Dowlding/dp/0671682296/ref=pd_sim_b_5  Putting aside any inaccuracies, what was so cool about this book was that 1) it assigned percentage song writing credit to the credited songwriters (e.g. and I'm just making this up because I don't have the book in front of me) - Day Tripper - Lennon 65%, McCartney 35%, and 2) it provided a comprehensive list of all the instruments played on every Beatles song recorded and, best of all, WHO PLAYED IT. I was listening to Carl and the Passions recently and  was wondering whether the Beach Boys were playing by themselves on the record at that point and who plays what. Any chance there's some book, resource, website, compendium that has the kind of info Beatlesongs has, but for the Beach Boys? I'm particularly interested in specifically who plays what in each song....

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There's a book titled The Beach Boys FAQ that has a very well-researched list of what instruments the Beach Boys played themselves on over 50 of their most well known tracks recorded between 1962 and 1965.
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2012, 03:01:21 PM »

Question for ya'll: does anyone remember a book called Beatlesongs? http://www.amazon.com/Beatlesongs-William-J-Dowlding/dp/0671682296/ref=pd_sim_b_5  Putting aside any inaccuracies, what was so cool about this book was that 1) it assigned percentage song writing credit to the credited songwriters (e.g. and I'm just making this up because I don't have the book in front of me) - Day Tripper - Lennon 65%, McCartney 35%, and 2) it provided a comprehensive list of all the instruments played on every Beatles song recorded and, best of all, WHO PLAYED IT. I was listening to Carl and the Passions recently and  was wondering whether the Beach Boys were playing by themselves on the record at that point and who plays what. Any chance there's some book, resource, website, compendium that has the kind of info Beatlesongs has, but for the Beach Boys? I'm particularly interested in specifically who plays what in each song....

Thanks!!!
There's a book titled The Beach Boys FAQ that has a very well-researched list of what instruments the Beach Boys played themselves on over 50 of their most well known tracks recorded between 1962 and 1965.

I'm having trouble finding it, can you tell me the author?  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2012, 03:13:37 PM »


Revolution in the Head does this too, and better (to my mind).
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I completely agree.  This is the BEST book ever written about the actual music.  Sure, there might be squabbles about recording dates and what not...but Ian MacDonald did an absolutely amazing job dissecting the songs.

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2012, 04:20:25 PM »

TimmyC, there was enlightening discussion re: the players on Carl and The Passions... here:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8454.50.html
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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2012, 06:01:06 PM »

Awesome - thank you Metal Flake! Thanks also to Mr. Stebbins - I will have to buy the FAQs. The preview looks cool on Amazon. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2012, 06:15:17 PM »


Revolution in the Head does this too, and better (to my mind).

I completely agree.  This is the BEST book ever written about the actual music.  Sure, there might be squabbles about recording dates and what not...but Ian MacDonald did an absolutely amazing job dissecting the songs.


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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2012, 02:38:18 AM »

Carol Kaye played everything on everything. Fact. Just ask her. She was there, we weren't.  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2012, 06:20:34 PM »

Maybe we should start accusing her of having played the sax on Kokomo and perhaps she'll change her tune......
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2012, 06:27:05 PM »

Hey, did you guys know that in addition to playing the sax solo on "Kokomo", Carol Kaye also wrote and performed all but the vocals on "Oh Those Girls"?
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2012, 10:57:27 PM »


Revolution in the Head does this too, and better (to my mind).

I completely agree.  This is the BEST book ever written about the actual music.  Sure, there might be squabbles about recording dates and what not...but Ian MacDonald did an absolutely amazing job dissecting the songs.



Are you familiar with Walter Everett's books?

he takes musical analysis to the highest level.
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Damn it, Pablo., you've beaten me to it.

The Beatles as Musicians is the best, most accurate tome I've found - hands down, and like lots before and since, I've read them all. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2012, 07:12:14 AM »

Without this thread and the link to the thread about CATP:ST, I never would've known that Doug Dillard played banjo on "You Need a Mess Of Help To Stand Alone."  I'm a huge fan of The Dillards...one of the most influential and underrated bands of the 1960s.  Doug Dillard died earlier this year, but he'll retain his stature as one of the greatest banjo players in history. Legend is that when the Dillards first came to LA in the early 60s, music critics accused the record label of speeding up the tape because they didn't believe anybody could play the banjo as fast as Doug. He really was that fast, though.

So cool. This little bit of Beach Boys/Dillards trivia just made my day.
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2012, 04:35:11 AM »

Hey, did you guys know that in addition to playing the sax solo on "Kokomo", Carol Kaye also wrote and performed all but the vocals on "Oh Those Girls"?

Carol Kaye produced the entire Country Love album. And how dare you accuse me of making this up, I'll sue your wig off, you fat f*cker.
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2012, 04:38:49 AM »

Carol Kaye plays centre-forward for West Bromwich Albion on alternate Saturdays and I won't hear a word said against her. She still holds the record for the highest number of away-game goals scored in a single season and can name every member of the home games' crowds in alphabetical order.
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2012, 06:05:32 AM »

Keep it to yourself John but I heard recently that Jeff Astle played bass on most of Pet Sounds.
Not a lot of people know that.
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2012, 06:38:59 AM »

Jeff Astle? More like Jeff Asshole, if you ask me! Everyone knows Carol Kaye wrote "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times", with Loren Darro Schawrtzzr writing the lyrics about his struggles in life due to being a total idiot.
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2012, 06:51:22 AM »

George didn't fart often, but boy, when he did...........

is this where Boy George got the inspiration for his stage name?
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