Dennis Wilson And Rumbo

[pancakerecords]

Okay, that's the second time I saw someone say basically "this year or never." What would stop them from doing it later?

Mayans, of course.

[Mikie]

The Dennis Wilson & Rumbo songs were released twice legitimately.

1. The EMI/Stateside single (in a few European countries but not the U.S.) in December, 1970.
2. Beach Boys Rarities, Capitol ST 26463 (vinyl LP) Australia, September, 1981.

The Rarities LP was withdrawn from the market not long after its release. EMI found out after the album came out that they no longer had the rights for the Dennis Wilson & Rumbo tracks, (which were never issued in Australia in the first place). The two Dennis/Dragon cuts for the LP were sourced from the vinyl single issued in Britain in 1970.

[bgas]

The Dennis Wilson & Rumbo songs were released twice legitimately.

1. The EMI/Stateside single (in a few European countries but not the U.S.) in December, 1970.
2. Beach Boys Rarities, Capitol ST 26463 (vinyl LP) Australia, September, 1981.

The Rarities LP was withdrawn from the market not long after its release. EMI found out after the album came out that they no longer had the rights for the Dennis Wilson & Rumbo tracks, (which were never issued in Australia in the first place). The two Dennis/Dragon cuts for the LP were sourced from the vinyl single issued in Britain in 1970.

But the single was issued in New Zealand, so that counts, doesn't it?

[Mikie]

Sure, if you want it to, Bgas.  You'd think if it was released in New Zealand that it would have been issued in Australia, huh?

[Andrew G. Doe]

I want to hear Ecology. I've read that it's supposedly the Dennis equivalent of the best parts of Smile.

The 'Ecology' doing the rounds a few years back isn't the true "Ecology". Fan edit of available sections.

[EthanJClarke93]

I Herd a rumor Carl played Guitar on Sound of Free and there's a photo of Daryl and Carl in the studio performing this.

[TheLazenby]

I live for the day when I see the title "DENNIS WILSON POOPS" on an album cover.

Unfortunately, that title makes a promise that the contents just will not deliver.

[stack-o-tracks]

I live for the day when I see the title "DENNIS WILSON POOPS" on an album cover.

Unfortunately, that title makes a promise that the contents just will not deliver.

Funny, I don't think the absurdity of that album title has really been discussed around these parts. Could've been before my time though.

[Jason]

I Herd a rumor

A goat joke!

[Mikie]

For the youngsters on this thread:

"Poops" and "Hubba Hubba" were working titles (doubtfully serious ones) for Dennis Wilson's solo album, working at Brian's studio in the Spring of 1971 to 1972 with Daryl Dragon and Steve Desper.  *

Some song titles were:

It's a New Day 
Behold the Night 
Ecology
Baby Baby 
Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again 
Old Movie (later Cuddle Up)
Slow Song
Make It Good 
Barbara

* Courtesy Andrew G. Doe

[GoogaMooga]

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[GoogaMooga]

Then I've got the original! On a comp All Back to Mine curated by Manic Street Preachers.

It's also on the Super Furry Animals curated 'Under The Influence' album (which also has Feel Flows).

Great to see Dennis' influence on modern bands

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Sorry, thats the one I meant. Somehow I got the Furries confused with the Manics (that's me and modern bands).

[Catbirdman]

Ecology is a track from Dennis' aborted 1972 solo album.

It was played at a Beach Boys convention several years ago; a fan who was there took notes about what he heard. He mentioned that Ecology was made up of fragments. The first fragment was the so-called "All of My Love" bit with Dennis' vocal overdubbed 350 times. The second fragment was an organ and piano "duet". These two fragments are booted. The rest of the track, however, is not.

I think I might be said fan. Even if not, my recollections might be of interest in this thread. My notes from August 15, 2003:

Intro – Ecology. 1971, Dennis solo track.

There are a number of sections to this piece, and more than anything other than "Rio Grande" or Smile itself, this music smacks of “grand-suite-itis.” Most of the pieces overlapped each other, begging the question of whether Dennis planned on editing them together in that sequence or if they just happened to end up on tape that way. Again, Mr. Desper stressed that the music of this time was a collection of works-in-progress, and Dennis was feeling his way through. But the title of the track certainly suggests a larger frame story.

The first section of “Intro – Ecology” is the “all of my love” choral section as heard by many before. It’s Dennis, double-, triple-, and kazilliontuple-tracked with himself so that it sounds like a huge choir. Then there’s a count-in to a different section. We hear water bubble sounds and exotic Moog sounds over a shimmery Eastern-flavored track. If you’re familiar with Pink Floyd’s Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Richard Wright’s keyboard parts in particular, that will give you a feel for the mood and modality of this section. Dennis had laid down some backing vocals as well, and I can hear the exact melody in my head, a chant-like “run, run, river run / move the body.” This section was WAY COOL.

Then there’s another overlapping count-in and a new section begins. This one, in a faster tempo, is based on a piano playing arpeggiated chords VERY much like in the opening of "River Song." That section then segues into a final section that has made the rounds: I think it’s referred to as “Quad Symphony” or some such. This particular part features some organ trills played in a very fast baroque style.

[Jay]

Ecology is a track from Dennis' aborted 1972 solo album.

It was played at a Beach Boys convention several years ago; a fan who was there took notes about what he heard. He mentioned that Ecology was made up of fragments. The first fragment was the so-called "All of My Love" bit with Dennis' vocal overdubbed 350 times. The second fragment was an organ and piano "duet". These two fragments are booted. The rest of the track, however, is not.

I think I might be said fan. Even if not, my recollections might be of interest in this thread. My notes from August 15, 2003:

Intro – Ecology. 1971, Dennis solo track.

There are a number of sections to this piece, and more than anything other than "Rio Grande" or Smile itself, this music smacks of “grand-suite-itis.” Most of the pieces overlapped each other, begging the question of whether Dennis planned on editing them together in that sequence or if they just happened to end up on tape that way. Again, Mr. Desper stressed that the music of this time was a collection of works-in-progress, and Dennis was feeling his way through. But the title of the track certainly suggests a larger frame story.

The first section of “Intro – Ecology” is the “all of my love” choral section as heard by many before. It’s Dennis, double-, triple-, and kazilliontuple-tracked with himself so that it sounds like a huge choir. Then there’s a count-in to a different section. We hear water bubble sounds and exotic Moog sounds over a shimmery Eastern-flavored track. If you’re familiar with Pink Floyd’s Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, Richard Wright’s keyboard parts in particular, that will give you a feel for the mood and modality of this section. Dennis had laid down some backing vocals as well, and I can hear the exact melody in my head, a chant-like “run, run, river run / move the body.” This section was WAY COOL.

Then there’s another overlapping count-in and a new section begins. This one, in a faster tempo, is based on a piano playing arpeggiated chords VERY much like in the opening of "River Song." That section then segues into a final section that has made the rounds: I think it’s referred to as “Quad Symphony” or some such. This particular part features some organ trills played in a very fast baroque style.

It's funny that you mentioned Pink Floyd. I'm listening to one "piece" of music from Dennis from this period right now as I type this, labled only as "instrumental", that sounds quite a bit like Richard Wright's piano "intro" to Great Gig In The Sky. The piece that I speak of is maybe a little under two minutes, and is mostly piano with a little bit of drums and percussion near the ewnd

[bgas]

Sure, if you want it to, Bgas.  You'd think if it was released in New Zealand that it would have been issued in Australia, huh?

Does seem strange that they didn't. Who made those decisions anyway?

[Mikie]

I dunno. I know the Boys were more popular over there at the time than in the U.S., but the U.S. shoulda gotten the nod. But I guess EMI/Stateside was the company/distributer that gave Dennis the contract, so.........

My understanding was that this single was kinduva 'feeler' to see how sales would be for a possible upcoming solo album.

[Jim V.]

Okay, that's the second time I saw someone say basically "this year or never." What would stop them from doing it later?

The facts are, Brother and Capitol apparently don't see much of a point monetarily to put out previously unreleased stuff. They just don't think the market is there for this stuff I guess. So I figure that unless they put the cream of the crop on the upcoming box set, there probably just isn't much of a chance that we will ever hear this stuff.

However, I do think there could be a slight possibility that Dennis' early '70s solo work could find release, if only because of the fact that the reissued Pacific Ocean Blue did so well.

But besides that, I'm not too hopeful that we'll get too very much in the way of previously unreleased Beach Boys related stuff unless the demand for it stays high even after the box set is out.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Then I've got the original! On a comp All Back to Mine curated by Manic Street Preachers.

It's also on the Super Furry Animals curated 'Under The Influence' album (which also has Feel Flows).

Great to see Dennis' influence on modern bands

Sorry, thats the one I meant. Somehow I got the Furries confused with the Manics (that's me and modern bands).


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A good way to tell the difference between the Manic Street Preachers and the Super Furry Animals is thus: the Manics are a bunch of over-earnest pretencious over-rated slightly embaressing dad-rock sell-out boring stiffs and the Super Furries are an exciting troupe of Beach Boy/Wilson-influenced surprising inventive imaginative daring Welsh musical wizards. At least that's how i tell the difference...

[runnersdialzero]

Old Movie - reworked as both Cuddle Up AND 4th of July

The AGD unreleased albums page seems to say that "Old Movie" was merely a working title applied to both "Cuddle Up" and "4th Of July" at various points and that the two songs aren't actually linked in any way sans both using that title at earlier points. The page may even imply that Dennis used the title "Old Movie" as a working title beyond those songs, although it doesn't name any, so I'm not sure.

Can I has some AGDification?

I live for the day when I see the title "DENNIS WILSON POOPS" on an album cover.

Post of forever and ever.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Barbara = Cuddle Up.
Old Movie = working title.

[PaulTMA]

I don't think I've ever heard Sound Of Free. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xizNyCM97zA

Thanks, it's great!

[Sound of Free]

Sound Of Free is awesome!

Thanks!

Oh, you're talking about the SONG. 

Obviously, I love it too, and think it's Dennis' best vocal.