Al and David Marks- Rare Footage!

[bgas]

Glad to see you active on the board again Carrie!! 

this thread is from 2007.

ha ha!, yeah. 
I liked the film in that it showed al playing bass

[Mikie]

I saw some old footage at a Beach Boys fan convention in the 80's and haven't seen it since. David was dressed up in Army fatigues or whatever it was and jumping over the sofa in the living room.  Think he had a gun or guitar in his hands. There was some other stuff on the film (maybe the rare footage on YouTube) but I've never seen this particular footage on YouTube. Jon knows what I'm talking about.

[Les Chan]

Good memory Mikie.  Those films were shown at the 1985   BB convention in Oakland.  Amazing then and still amazing now.

[Mikie]

Thanks to you for organizing those conventions, Les.   We heard and saw some great stuff back then.

[the professor]

Smile-Holland,

Well, don’t put me in with the “cool with copyright infringement” crowd just yet…its actually something I take VERY seriously, both as a Libra who hates to sit back and witness something that isn’t ‘right’ AND as someone who’s family has felt the financial affects of the shift from a culture that pays for music to one that feels entitled to steal it. 

I figure since the video is out there anyway, I’d rather everyone be able to see it on YouTube from a link from David’s website than have some random person making a profit off selling illegal copies.  I try to avoid getting riled up if possible and since I was planning on uploading the footage anyway, I will focus on the positive -  that this person saved me some time, rather than the fact they had no right to take a copy of someone’s home movies and make them public. So, I’m going to restrain myself from going into lecture-mode on how bad stealing intellectual property is…but maybe in another thread if someone wants to start one.

To get to your questions:  Yes, this is the same video that is mentioned in the book.  In the foreword, Darian talks about hearing the Marksmen for the first time set as backgrounds to these videos and I think Jon mentions them, too.   David sold the reels to the same guy who is currently auctioning off his Pendelton as being Brian’s on Ebay for $55,000.  Bootleg copies have been floating around for about 20 years....its not that rare among collectors.

Eric,

The Baywatch footage is from 1995. 

Carrie Marks,
I hope you will permit me to throw my voice in with many of  our colleagues here who so cherish David's work and every aspect of his historical contribution to the BB, which evolves as each new day passes.  As you can see in our postings, for many of us Davis IS the reunion.  After years and years of dreaming that "one day" I might see him on stage with the BB, I can now say I have done so three times.  I listen (we all do) to the album over and over trying to discern and cherish each of his rhythm parts and that unique crisp sound that drives many of the new songs, including very prominently the title track.  (We are sure he is singing too, however un-credited. . . . .).

I am sure David knows it: he has countless adoring fans who respect him as a person and as an artist and will follow his work loyally. If the boys do another album, we have all been insisting on some rockers, with David leading the way as no other man, save his dear friend Carl, could do. I offer my respect and thanks to you and your family.

The Professor

[adamghost]

What's even weird about this is I ran into an old acquaintance of mine last week and our conversation drifted to the Beach Boys.  During the conversation, he himself claimed to be the legal owner of Dave's old home movies, and that they were being used without HIS permission....

[KittyKat]

I never understood people who buy the life photos and films of total strangers.  For example, when I read the Steven Gaines' book on the Beach Boys, it's full of personal family and high school photos that were used "by permission" from some guy who turned out to be just a fan who had bought the photos for himself years before, which made him entitled to have the rights on them.  Even though he was absolutely no relation to the Beach Boys, not a friend, etc.  I just find it pretty, well, weird to be that obsessed with entertainers that you'd buy and own things so personal, no matter how much you were able to afford them.  There's something a little strange about a system that lets you "own" pieces of another person's personal life that others have to ask your permission to use them.

[JanBerryFarm]

As if there is some grand sinister plan.

I wouldn't call it grand.  But it is fairly sinister.

[Jon Stebbins]

What's even weird about this is I ran into an old acquaintance of mine last week and our conversation drifted to the Beach Boys.  During the conversation, he himself claimed to be the legal owner of Dave's old home movies, and that they were being used without HIS permission....

Unless your old acquaintance is Elmer Marks (David's dead father) then i doubt he has any legal standing regarding the footage. As you know, my buddy Lance Robison had the original multi-track to "Don't Worry Baby" in his possession since 1966. The Beach Boys discarded them, someone recovered them, and Lance bought them for 15 bucks in 1966.  Everyone seemed to agree that Lance owned those physical tapes...but no one would ever think that he owned the material that was on them.  Even though he owned the physical source, he did not own the recordings on them...of course. David may have lost possession of the master reel of the footage that he and his dad shot in 1963 and 1964, but the rights to releasing and distributing the material that's on them would legally remain with David and his family. That's a no brainer.

[Jon Stebbins]

I never understood people who buy the life photos and films of total strangers.  For example, when I read the Steven Gaines' book on the Beach Boys, it's full of personal family and high school photos that were used "by permission" from some guy who turned out to be just a fan who had bought the photos for himself years before, which made him entitled to have the rights on them.  Even though he was absolutely no relation to the Beach Boys, not a friend, etc.  I just find it pretty, well, weird to be that obsessed with entertainers that you'd buy and own things so personal, no matter how much you were able to afford them.  There's something a little strange about a system that lets you "own" pieces of another person's personal life that others have to ask your permission to use them.

You're talking about Peter Reum, who is a regular poster on this board and a great guy who collected an important BB's archive that fans and historians have enjoyed and learned from for years. He would always respect the family's claims on anything I'm sure.

[KittyKat]

I never understood people who buy the life photos and films of total strangers.  For example, when I read the Steven Gaines' book on the Beach Boys, it's full of personal family and high school photos that were used "by permission" from some guy who turned out to be just a fan who had bought the photos for himself years before, which made him entitled to have the rights on them.  Even though he was absolutely no relation to the Beach Boys, not a friend, etc.  I just find it pretty, well, weird to be that obsessed with entertainers that you'd buy and own things so personal, no matter how much you were able to afford them.  There's something a little strange about a system that lets you "own" pieces of another person's personal life that others have to ask your permission to use them.

You're talking about Peter Reum, who is a regular poster on this board and a great guy who collected an important BB's archive that fans and historians have enjoyed and learned from for years. He would always respect the family's claims on anything I'm sure.

Well, it's good to know he had the approval of the family.  I just find it a little odd, but there are fans of many bands that get into bidding wars for things like old high school yearbooks and personal memorabilia.  I just wish I'd gone to school or knew someone who got famous so that I could sell my old yearbooks or photos to their fans.

[bgas]

I never understood people who buy the life photos and films of total strangers.  For example, when I read the Steven Gaines' book on the Beach Boys, it's full of personal family and high school photos that were used "by permission" from some guy who turned out to be just a fan who had bought the photos for himself years before, which made him entitled to have the rights on them.  Even though he was absolutely no relation to the Beach Boys, not a friend, etc.  I just find it pretty, well, weird to be that obsessed with entertainers that you'd buy and own things so personal, no matter how much you were able to afford them.  There's something a little strange about a system that lets you "own" pieces of another person's personal life that others have to ask your permission to use them.

You're talking about Peter Reum, who is a regular poster on this board and a great guy who collected an important BB's archive that fans and historians have enjoyed and learned from for years. He would always respect the family's claims on anything I'm sure.

Well, it's good to know he had the approval of the family.  I just find it a little odd, but there are fans of many bands that get into bidding wars for things like old high school yearbooks and personal memorabilia.  I just wish I'd gone to school or knew someone who got famous so that I could sell my old yearbooks or photos to their fans.

So then it would be OK for theses people to buy the stuff, as long as you made $$?  
Different strokes for different folks,  I say.  Myself, I think it's cool to collect this "stuff" and have no problem with anyone else doing it.
Wish I'd  had Peter's collection. Brian's bowling shoes!! 

[adamghost]

What's even weird about this is I ran into an old acquaintance of mine last week and our conversation drifted to the Beach Boys.  During the conversation, he himself claimed to be the legal owner of Dave's old home movies, and that they were being used without HIS permission....

Unless your old acquaintance is Elmer Marks (David's dead father) then i doubt he has any legal standing regarding the footage. As you know, my buddy Lance Robison had the original multi-track to "Don't Worry Baby" in his possession since 1966. The Beach Boys discarded them, someone recovered them, and Lance bought them for 15 bucks in 1966.  Everyone seemed to agree that Lance owned those physical tapes...but no one would ever think that he owned the material that was on them.  Even though he owned the physical source, he did not own the recordings on them...of course. David may have lost possession of the master reel of the footage that he and his dad shot in 1963 and 1964, but the rights to releasing and distributing the material that's on them would legally remain with David and his family. That's a no brainer.

Note I just said what was claimed.  I didn't take any position as to the veracity of the claim.

[Aegir]

I never understood people who buy the life photos and films of total strangers. 

it's a concert video...