The Autotune Thread

[ontor pertawst]

The possibilities are hilarious. We could arbitrarily switch sides for a few hours.

[Ron]

I think you'll find that when you're in an argument and actually have to SAY "and I'm the crazy one," you tend to be the crazy one. Look back at your post and try not to detect a bit of foam! Still, isn't this great!?!? We're arguing about Beach Boys shows! AIEIfjwo04gjoqig4onh46oinhoinh!

I could care less if they put Brian in an iron mask and only have him sing though a ring modulator on the chorus of Shortnin' Bread, this is amazing stuff!

Anyway, you'll get your definitive answer soon enough I'm sure about the exact "revolutionary live voice processing system" that isn't Antares Auto-tune, I betcha... let's just blame the oily hand of Joe Thomas on all this, or perhaps a spot of bad mustard... an undercooked potato...

You know how we can figure it out?  It's somebody who wasn't at the Grammies, or at the Baseball Stadium, Or at the Jimmy Fallon Show, or Any of Brian's concerts he's ever performed at before this tour... in his entire life.  He's also not there for most of the songs, or most of the notes in the other songs.  

So look for somebody to blame... on three or four mid-range, easily singable (but still off key because the imaginary program doesn't work) notes per song that Brian sings lead on.  















Or, if you want to get brave enough to get accused of drinking, maybe he's simply an old man singing?

[Ron]

I don't have a position on this issue either way,

Yes you do, you're just too much of a coward to put it out there.  Everyone has opinions. 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I don't have a position on this issue either way,

Yes you do, you're just too much of a coward to put it out there.  Everyone has opinions. 

 

[ontor pertawst]

He can be all these things and MORE!  

Well, let's keep listening. I'll be catching three shows next month and certainly will be in it for the KICKS and not sitting primed for sniffy pitch-correcting snippery, but I'll pipe up if I hear it... along with... "AHHhGHGHh! David Marks! And he never stops smiling!"

But there SHOULD be complaints about it on the boards. Maybe PEOPLE will see it and such monkey business will cease, as they don't fucking need it. The Fallon mixes sounded great!

[b00ts]

No, I don't...




Just remember folks: I'm not the side trying to tell you what to think.  I'm being ridiculed for having the audacity to disagree with people who claim they hear better than you or I.  

Please believe every nerd who hears AutoTune has posted on this thread.  Thousands who attended the concert and didn't, haven't posted because they're NORMAL PEOPLE without psychotic issues.  LOL

But, back to why I'm wrong: My ears (and thousands of other stupid people) just haven't evolved like yours because you're an audio professional.  Riiiiiiiight.  




Facts:  

1.  Everybody agrees the high def footage on t.v. last night wasn't autotuned.

2. Everybody but a hand full of weirdos agrees that none of the vocals were autotuned in the concerts

3. The strangeloves who think that autotune was used, can only point to a couple notes in each song that they think sound funny.  So we're talking about .1 percent of the people who have heard the boots hear anything, and then those people hear something on .1 percent of the vocals.  

4. The band says no autotune.  

5. No review, even by casual attendees the band didn't know were there, has mentioned Autotune.  (In case you think big brother cracked down on them and won't let them mention the dirty little secret).

(Blah blah blah drink drink blah blah)

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The evidence for the other side is:

"Ron, I know better than you becuase I downloaded Pro Tools on my mom's computer and played around recording a copy of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and I can make my voice sound funny.  Therefore I hear it in this youtube video, but only when he goes "Bom Bom Dit Dit" on the third verse.  Listen really close"


.... And i'm the crazy one.  

I don't have a position on this issue either way, but I can say that your position is thoroughly unconvincing.

Ron isn't trying to prove whether or not autotune is being used. He is trying to prove that he is right and others are wrong. He has already proved it in his own mind, so anything after that is a bonus.

[runnersdialzero]

Oh my God. 

[I. Spaceman]

For the love of God, Ron, stop drinking.

Maybe I should start!  Perhaps I'd start hearing things. 

Claiming you are in the majority by bringing in your estimation of the thoughts of those not on the board is fallacious. What matters in the context of the conversation here is the opinions of those on the board, and in the conversation. Your oft-stated philosophy is that the majority is the closest to truth in the absence of true objectivity. The majority HERE, as seen in the poll, hear autotune in the live concert performances. So, by your own philosophy, those people are right and you are wrong, simply because they are the majority.

[SMiLE Brian]

Checkmate, Ron.

[Ron]

I've been exploring this further.

As noted above, folie à deux refers to the strange mental condition, where one who has a close relationship with an individual with a disorder, starts suffering from symptoms of the same disorder.

Brian Wilson famously suffers from Auditory Hallucinations.  God bless him.

Auditory Hallucination -

"a form of hallucination that involves perceiving sounds without auditory stimulus. A common form involves hearing one or more talking voices. "

"In Musical Ear Syndrome, people will hear music playing in their mind, usually songs they are familiar with. Recent reports have also mentioned that it is also possible to get musical hallucinations from listening to music for long periods of time."

[Ron]

Checkmate, Ron.

You must be assuming I read any of the replies. 

[I. Spaceman]

Checkmate, Ron.

You must be assuming I read any of the replies. 

You are a bully who speaks far too old for his years. You know very, very little about music or any type of intelligent discourse. Hopefully, you will be banned or God will strike you dead.

[Ron]

Checkmate, Ron.

You must be assuming I read any of the replies. 

You are a bully who speaks far too old for his years. You know very, very little about music or any type of intelligent discourse. Hopefully, you will be banned or God will strike you dead.

Love you too! 

[anazgnos]

There are actually no synthesizers on Love You.

[Autotune]

It does not automatically tune Brian. Therefore it's not autotune. When this was pointed at, people replied that autotune wouldn't work anyway. And the million-dollar entourage working on this MASSIVE tour haven't realized yet? As the 100,000 people that attended so far?

Bold statements got bold replies.

[anazgnos]

Fine, change the thread title to "The Dynamic Pitch Randomizer Thread".  Everyone is happy.

[Autotune]

"Voice wobbler" could be another one. Their state-of-the-art audio equipment can't do without one of those.


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Just keep in mind "Spring Vacation" sucked until AGD told us it's one of the better cuts. Lots of statements have been made recently, and many of them had to be taken back.

[Wirestone]

It does not automatically tune Brian. Therefore it's not autotune. When this was pointed at, people replied that autotune wouldn't work anyway. And the million-dollar entourage working on this MASSIVE tour haven't realized yet? As the 100,000 people that attended so far?

Bold statements got bold replies.

The technology is not hard to understand, and it has been explained at length in this thread and others. Autotune is not magic. It works on a note-by-note basis, and is not conscious of the "right" notes for the song. If Brian is nowhere in the neighborhood of the correct pitch, then his voice will be "corrected" to some dramatically different pitch -- and it will be out of tune. That is part of the problem.

I would wager that most of the people working on the tour are entirely aware of the effect, and aware of how bad it sounds. Indeed, I would expect the backing band is apoplectic over it. But tours like this are no democracies; they are not run by popular vote. A few people get to make the decisions, and whoever is making the decisions so far seems to feel as though the effect is working just fine.

As for the audiences, they are largely not enthusiasts. Those who are familiar with the topic and have attended have said that some degree of pitch correction is audible. But most audiences for this kind of thing (older, unsophisticated) do not know what pitch correction sounds like, and don't know what modern Brian sounds like.

[Runaways]

"Voice wobbler" could be another one. Their state-of-the-art audio equipment can't do without one of those.


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Just keep in mind "Spring Vacation" sucked until AGD told us it's one of the better cuts. Lots of statements have been made recently, and many of them had to be taken back.

i didn't know AGD said that. interesting.  him and the consequence of sound guy are on complete opposites when it comes to what parts they like. (minus they both love the end of the album).

[Autotune]

It does not automatically tune Brian. Therefore it's not autotune. When this was pointed at, people replied that autotune wouldn't work anyway. And the million-dollar entourage working on this MASSIVE tour haven't realized yet? As the 100,000 people that attended so far?

Bold statements got bold replies.

The technology is not hard to understand, and it has been explained at length in this thread and others. Autotune is not magic. It works on a note-by-note basis, and is not conscious of the "right" notes for the song. If Brian is nowhere in the neighborhood of the correct pitch, then his voice will be "corrected" to some dramatically different pitch -- and it will be out of tune. That is part of the problem.

I would wager that most of the people working on the tour are entirely aware of the effect, and aware of how bad it sounds. Indeed, I would expect the backing band is apoplectic over it. But tours like this are no democracies; they are not run by popular vote. A few people get to make the decisions, and whoever is making the decisions so far seems to feel as though the effect is working just fine.

As for the audiences, they are largely not enthusiasts. Those who are familiar with the topic and have attended have said that some degree of pitch correction is audible. But most audiences for this kind of thing (older, unsophisticated) do not know what pitch correction sounds like, and don't know what modern Brian sounds like.

I think boots is attending tonite's show. Let's see what he comes up with.

[monicker]

Yikes, i hadn't opened this thread once, but decided to take a look because it's grown to 12 pages. So i clicked on the last page just to see where the conversation is at, and without having really read much, it blows my mind to see that people still take Ron seriously enough to respond to him. Haven't you all figured that guy out yet?

[Ron]

Yikes, i hadn't opened this thread once, but decided to take a look because it's grown to 12 pages. So i clicked on the last page just to see where the conversation is at, and without having really read much, it blows my mind to see that people still take Ron seriously enough to respond to him. Haven't you all figured that guy out yet?

I know! Plus, god will strike me dead soon enough.  Nothing to get worried about!  I mean, hey, I know nothing about music and dare to agitate people I disagree with... therefore I SHOULD BE EXECUTEDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[runnersdialzero]

RonOrganPlayer

[I. Spaceman]

Checkmate, Ron.

You must be assuming I read any of the replies. 

You are a bully who speaks far too old for his years. You know very, very little about music or any type of intelligent discourse. Hopefully, you will be banned or God will strike you dead.

Love you too! 

Oh, ya read that one, did ya, Poindexter? Just testing ya.

[monicker]

The funniest thing on message boards is when someone claims that they ignore so-and-so's posts and then proceed to respond directly to so-and-so. Classic.

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