So what actually happened to Taylor Mills

[SMiLE]

Whatever happened should just be told officially, because honestly the damned rumors and speculations may be more nasty than the actual story. Or perhaps not...let the PR folks decide that.

Was the Hines/Lizik thing ever actually addressed or is that in the speculation realm as well?

[Wirestone]

Rejoining after the Beach Boys reunion tour? I thought Brian was talking of retirement. And I think he should. At least from the road. There’s nothing more for him to accomplish out there.

Second part might be true. I doubt the first part, though. I wouldn't be surprised by --

1.) More BB touring / second new album
2.) More BW band touring
3.) Another BW solo album

-- In the next two or three years.

[Shady]

Well we got nothing here..

Probably better off to be honest...

[guitarfool2002]

She had nice hair and I liked to look at her during the shows. Maybe I looked at her too much.

She tore it up on “Marcella” and “Your Imagination” and played some awesome triangle when needed.

She got when the getting was good. I wouldn’t have wanted to perform those dull Gershwin and Disney songs neither.

Rejoining after the Beach Boys reunion tour? I thought Brian was talking of retirement. And I think he should. At least from the road. There’s nothing more for him to accomplish out there.

Yeah, those old timers like Brian should leave the performing on the road to Kanye West and One Direction and the cast of Glee, ya' know Brian just can't compete with the hot dance moves and pre-recorded tracks of today's musical superstars.

Should Mike and Bruce retire? How about Al? How about the next time the Who or Stones decide to tour and charge exorbitant ticket prices? How about BB King, he's gettin' too fucking old, all BB does is plays the same blues tunes every show. How many more times can we sit through Mick Jagger singing Start Me Up? Daltrey's "YEEEAAAHHHHHHH!" and mic-swinging schtick is so tired by now, I mean why bother singing Won't Get Fooled Again" after 2012 if they decide to tour? Van Halen reunion tour...who wants to hear Eddie play Eruption or Cathedral again, he does it every show! What more can he accomplish, he should stay the f*** home and donate the guitars to some museum.

Or tell it to Lou Reed after that debacle he had going with Metallica...or was that "edgy" because it's Lou Reed?

Rant over...adding this for clarity:

[The Shift]

Whatever happened should just be told officially, because honestly the damned rumors and speculations may be more nasty than the actual story. Or perhaps not...let the PR folks decide that.

Was the Hines/Lizik thing ever actually addressed or is that in the speculation realm as well?

Hmm, I'll ask Someone Who Probably Knows…

Andrew, was the Hines/Lizik thing ever actually addressed or is that in the speculation realm as well?

[filledeplage]

She had nice hair and I liked to look at her during the shows. Maybe I looked at her too much.

She tore it up on “Marcella” and “Your Imagination” and played some awesome triangle when needed.

She got when the getting was good. I wouldn’t have wanted to perform those dull Gershwin and Disney songs neither.

Rejoining after the Beach Boys reunion tour? I thought Brian was talking of retirement. And I think he should. At least from the road. There’s nothing more for him to accomplish out there.
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Yeah, those old timers like Brian should leave the performing on the road to Kanye West and One Direction and the cast of Glee, ya' know Brian just can't compete with the hot dance moves and pre-recorded tracks of today's musical superstars.

Should Mike and Bruce retire? How about Al? How about the next time the Who or Stones decide to tour and charge exorbitant ticket prices? How about BB King, he's gettin' too f*cking old, all BB does is plays the same blues tunes every show. How many more times can we sit through Mick Jagger singing Start Me Up? Daltrey's "YEEEAAAHHHHHHH!" and mic-swinging schtick is so tired by now, I mean why bother singing Won't Get Fooled Again" after 2012 if they decide to tour? Van Halen reunion tour...who wants to hear Eddie play Eruption or Cathedral again, he does it every show! What more can he accomplish, he should stay the f*ck home and donate the guitars to some museum.

Or tell it to Lou Reed after that debacle he had going with Metallica...or was that "edgy" because it's Lou Reed?

Rant over...adding this for clarity:

Rant on, brother!  You nailed it!

[guitarfool2002]

Since Brian has been on the road semi-regularly since 1999 it was odd to see it suggested he had nothing more to accomplish. I'd say he crossed that philosophical bridge a long time ago, the need to accomplish something on tour. What happened to performing for the sake of performing, or just performing for his fans?

[guitarfool2002]

As far as any backstory or inside scoop on the departures of band members, it happens to almost every performer. Rare is the case that a performer will carry the same lineup of touring musicians for 10+ years, whether they leave for personal reasons, better opportunities, interpersonal squabbles, salary issues, health/family concerns, or just wanting to do something else musically. If there is something more interesting behind these specific musicians mentioned in this thread, it may or may not come out publicly and we'll wait and see what info might come out a few years after the fact, but it's not unusual to have turnover and personnel changes in a backing band, is it?

[SMiLE Brian]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

[guitarfool2002]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

I'm sure he'll take your opinion under consideration.

[Lowbacca]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Maybe that's what eventually made him join the BBs fo the reunion. The amount of money he's going to make in 2012 might be enough to leave the road for good. He's never been 100% comfortable on tour (especially the greatest hits summer jobs), and while there where a lot of fine performances and entire tours that really rocked, in the end he did it for the money mostly. He said so in numerous interviews, and oftentimes seemed rather nervous when answering the "Do you (still) like touring?" question. I'd love to know him being busy doin' nothing for the rest of his life (maybe another studio album or two, if he's feeling inspired). Just sitting in front of his living room piano, banging the keys to some odd song he hears in his head, and playing with his kids/dogs. And if Mike, Al & Bruce are in the general area for a gig, pay them a visit. Cause Mike's going to be onstage in a wheelchair. That much we know for sure.

[guitarfool2002]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Maybe that's what eventually made him join the BBs fo the reunion. The amount of money he's going to make in 2012 might be enough to leave the road for good. He's never been 100% comfortable on tour (especially the greatest hits summer jobs), and while there where a lot of fine performances and entire tours that really rocked, in the end he did it for the money mostly. He said so in numerous interviews, and oftentimes seemed rather nervous when answering the "Do you (still) like touring?" question. I'd love to know him being busy doin' nothing for the rest of his life (maybe another studio album or two, if he's feeling inspired). Just sitting in front of his living room piano, banging the keys to some odd song he hears in his head, and playing with his kids/dogs. And if Mike, Al & Bruce are in the general area for a gig, pay them a visit. Cause Mike's going to be onstage in a wheelchair. That much we know for sure.

Name me an artist on tour who doesn't expect to get paid for performing. And I don't mean carrying an acoustic guitar to a coffee house open-mic night.

[Lowbacca]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Maybe that's what eventually made him join the BBs fo the reunion. The amount of money he's going to make in 2012 might be enough to leave the road for good. He's never been 100% comfortable on tour (especially the greatest hits summer jobs), and while there where a lot of fine performances and entire tours that really rocked, in the end he did it for the money mostly. He said so in numerous interviews, and oftentimes seemed rather nervous when answering the "Do you (still) like touring?" question. I'd love to know him being busy doin' nothing for the rest of his life (maybe another studio album or two, if he's feeling inspired). Just sitting in front of his living room piano, banging the keys to some odd song he hears in his head, and playing with his kids/dogs. And if Mike, Al & Bruce are in the general area for a gig, pay them a visit. Cause Mike's going to be onstage in a wheelchair. That much we know for sure.

Name me an artist on tour who doesn't expect to get paid for performing. And I don't mean carrying an acoustic guitar to a coffee house open-mic night.

Not the being paid is the crucial factor here (obviously that's what being a professionel musician is all about, if anyone knows this it's Brian Wilson), but the enjoying/bearing working for it.

[guitarfool2002]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Maybe that's what eventually made him join the BBs fo the reunion. The amount of money he's going to make in 2012 might be enough to leave the road for good. He's never been 100% comfortable on tour (especially the greatest hits summer jobs), and while there where a lot of fine performances and entire tours that really rocked, in the end he did it for the money mostly. He said so in numerous interviews, and oftentimes seemed rather nervous when answering the "Do you (still) like touring?" question. I'd love to know him being busy doin' nothing for the rest of his life (maybe another studio album or two, if he's feeling inspired). Just sitting in front of his living room piano, banging the keys to some odd song he hears in his head, and playing with his kids/dogs. And if Mike, Al & Bruce are in the general area for a gig, pay them a visit. Cause Mike's going to be onstage in a wheelchair. That much we know for sure.

Name me an artist on tour who doesn't expect to get paid for performing. And I don't mean carrying an acoustic guitar to a coffee house open-mic night.

Not the being paid is the crucial factor here (obviously that's what being a professionel musician is all about, if anyone knows this it's Brian Wilson), but the enjoying/bearing working for it.

Without actually knowing Brian Wilson or being a part of his life, we as fans assume a lot of things based on isolated interviews, comments, etc. which taken as a whole represent a miniscule part of the man's life. If the statement made in the original post was "he did it for the money mostly", the question again is who doesn't as a matter of practicality? And suggesting that he's *not* enjoying it may be accurate but it brings up the issue of who does enjoy being on the road versus who is doing it strictly for the money? I'd suggest those union musicians who play in pit orchestras on Broadway or in Vegas and play the exact same parts of the exact same arrangements up to three times a day depending on the show's schedule might love being musicians and love playing music as a living but at some points they might get tired of doing it or stop loving the act of doing that exact show, or have a string of bad shows...and if you ask them if they like the road at those times, they might say "No."

[Lowbacca]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Maybe that's what eventually made him join the BBs fo the reunion. The amount of money he's going to make in 2012 might be enough to leave the road for good. He's never been 100% comfortable on tour (especially the greatest hits summer jobs), and while there where a lot of fine performances and entire tours that really rocked, in the end he did it for the money mostly. He said so in numerous interviews, and oftentimes seemed rather nervous when answering the "Do you (still) like touring?" question. I'd love to know him being busy doin' nothing for the rest of his life (maybe another studio album or two, if he's feeling inspired). Just sitting in front of his living room piano, banging the keys to some odd song he hears in his head, and playing with his kids/dogs. And if Mike, Al & Bruce are in the general area for a gig, pay them a visit. Cause Mike's going to be onstage in a wheelchair. That much we know for sure.

Name me an artist on tour who doesn't expect to get paid for performing. And I don't mean carrying an acoustic guitar to a coffee house open-mic night.

Not the being paid is the crucial factor here (obviously that's what being a professionel musician is all about, if anyone knows this it's Brian Wilson), but the enjoying/bearing working for it.

Without actually knowing Brian Wilson or being a part of his life, we as fans assume a lot of things based on isolated interviews, comments, etc. which taken as a whole represent a miniscule part of the man's life. If the statement made in the original post was "he did it for the money mostly", the question again is who doesn't as a matter of practicality? And suggesting that he's *not* enjoying it may be accurate but it brings up the issue of who does enjoy being on the road versus who is doing it strictly for the money? I'd suggest those union musicians who play in pit orchestras on Broadway or in Vegas and play the exact same parts of the exact same arrangements up to three times a day depending on the show's schedule might love being musicians and love playing music as a living but at some points they might get tired of doing it or stop loving the act of doing that exact show, or have a string of bad shows...and if you ask them if they like the road at those times, they might say "No."

I never said it's a singular Brian Wilson thing. What's your point? My point is that Brian might finally be able to leave the road (something other musicians might do as well, if able to do so), and maintain the lifestyle he's had for 10-15 years.

[Lowbacca]

By the way: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12699.0.html

[filledeplage]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Since when has "retirement" not been an entirely "personal" decision?

Brian was sort of "retired" for a long period of time.  

Since his emergence from "retirement" he has been enormously productive.

Age, wisdom and experience are assets to be valued and not deficits to be de-valued.  

The advantage is that they have nothing to prove.  

Much of their audience is retired and have the time and resources to see the band/s live.

And don't care if he or anyone else limps, misses a note, etc.

They've pretty much have a commonality of life experiences, and are plenty happy to revisit the music of their generation.  

Retire to a rocking chair? Brian has young children to keep him thinking young; even if he likes "to sit."  

And, young, talented musicians eager to be mentored by a True Master.    

[guitarfool2002]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Maybe that's what eventually made him join the BBs fo the reunion. The amount of money he's going to make in 2012 might be enough to leave the road for good. He's never been 100% comfortable on tour (especially the greatest hits summer jobs), and while there where a lot of fine performances and entire tours that really rocked, in the end he did it for the money mostly. He said so in numerous interviews, and oftentimes seemed rather nervous when answering the "Do you (still) like touring?" question. I'd love to know him being busy doin' nothing for the rest of his life (maybe another studio album or two, if he's feeling inspired). Just sitting in front of his living room piano, banging the keys to some odd song he hears in his head, and playing with his kids/dogs. And if Mike, Al & Bruce are in the general area for a gig, pay them a visit. Cause Mike's going to be onstage in a wheelchair. That much we know for sure.

Name me an artist on tour who doesn't expect to get paid for performing. And I don't mean carrying an acoustic guitar to a coffee house open-mic night.

Not the being paid is the crucial factor here (obviously that's what being a professionel musician is all about, if anyone knows this it's Brian Wilson), but the enjoying/bearing working for it.

Without actually knowing Brian Wilson or being a part of his life, we as fans assume a lot of things based on isolated interviews, comments, etc. which taken as a whole represent a miniscule part of the man's life. If the statement made in the original post was "he did it for the money mostly", the question again is who doesn't as a matter of practicality? And suggesting that he's *not* enjoying it may be accurate but it brings up the issue of who does enjoy being on the road versus who is doing it strictly for the money? I'd suggest those union musicians who play in pit orchestras on Broadway or in Vegas and play the exact same parts of the exact same arrangements up to three times a day depending on the show's schedule might love being musicians and love playing music as a living but at some points they might get tired of doing it or stop loving the act of doing that exact show, or have a string of bad shows...and if you ask them if they like the road at those times, they might say "No."

I never said it's a singular Brian Wilson thing. What's your point? My point is that Brian might finally be able to leave the road (something other musicians might do as well, if able to do so), and maintain the lifestyle he's had for 10-15 years.

My point is you're assuming what you think is going on in the mind of Brian Wilson is really going on, and that Brian wanting to leave the road and maintain a certain lifestyle is your opinion overriding the fact that the man can make decisions whether to tour or not to tour, based on necessity, contractual requirements, love of playing music, or something else entirely.

A few fans saying "Brian should retire" doesn't amount to a hill of beans. A few fans saying "Brian should retire because...(fill in the blank)" doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

It's amusing to read folks who have no regular contact whatsoever with this man (and that's everyone except a small handful on this and other BB/BW fan boards) making determinations about what he's thinking or feeling. That's the hard fact of it all - he's a real person and we get to see a tiny, microscopic part of him in the public eye. We just don't know.

If he wants to "retire", he'll retire.

[Lowbacca]

Dude everything I wrote is about what I imagine might be a good thing for a musician and human being I admire. That's what fans do. That's among the things discussed on a message board. Everything else I introduced with "maybe". I didn't assume anything, I stated a possibility. There's difference.
(It's really hard not to get sarcastic with you.)

[guitarfool2002]

Dude everything I wrote is about what I imagine might be a good thing for a musician and human being I admire. That's what fans do. That's among the things discussed on a message board. Everything else I introduced with "maybe". I didn't assume anything, I stated a possibility. There's difference.
(It's really hard not to get sarcastic with you.)

Likewise. Putting a picture of Brian sitting on a chair at Dodger Stadium was a nice touch of sarcasm, totally unnecessary unless you wanted to say something without just saying it.

And remember that fans have little or no actual knowledge of the people they're fans of, apart from what they see in the media or in performance. Those fans that think they do are fooling themselves.

[SMiLE Brian]

Brian should retire after the BBs tour.

Since when has "retirement" not been an entirely "personal" decision?

Brian was sort of "retired" for a long period of time.  

Since his emergence from "retirement" he has been enormously productive.

Age, wisdom and experience are assets to be valued and not deficits to be de-valued.  

The advantage is that they have nothing to prove.  

Much of their audience is retired and have the time and resources to see the band/s live.

And don't care if he or anyone else limps, misses a note, etc.

They've pretty much have a commonality of life experiences, and are plenty happy to revisit the music of their generation.  

Retire to a rocking chair? Brian has young children to keep him thinking young; even if he likes "to sit."  

And, young, talented musicians eager to be mentored by a True Master.    

Brian can be retired and still do studio work along with local shows in LA.

[Lowbacca]

Dude everything I wrote is about what I imagine might be a good thing for a musician and human being I admire. That's what fans do. That's among the things discussed on a message board. Everything else I introduced with "maybe". I didn't assume anything, I stated a possibility. There's difference.
(It's really hard not to get sarcastic with you.)

Likewise. Putting a picture of Brian sitting on a chair at Dodger Stadium was a nice touch of sarcasm, totally unnecessary unless you wanted to say something without just saying it.

We obviously have different definitions of "sarcasm". A thread about the possibility of Brian retiring that starts with a photo of him sitting to the back of the leader of the Beach Boys is nothing in the realm of "sarcastic". It's fitting to the question asked in the thread, and at the most "suggestive". But not "sarcastic".   Care to elaborate on that?

And remember that fans have little or no actual knowledge of the people they're fans of, apart from what they see in the media or in performance. Those fans that think they do are fooling themselves.

Why should I think that I have more knowledge of who Brian really is than anyone else?  

[guitarfool2002]

Dude everything I wrote is about what I imagine might be a good thing for a musician and human being I admire. That's what fans do. That's among the things discussed on a message board. Everything else I introduced with "maybe". I didn't assume anything, I stated a possibility. There's difference.
(It's really hard not to get sarcastic with you.)

Likewise. Putting a picture of Brian sitting on a chair at Dodger Stadium was a nice touch of sarcasm, totally unnecessary unless you wanted to say something without just saying it.

We obviously have different definitions of "sarcasm". A thread about the possibility of Brian retiring that starts with a photo of him sitting to the back of the leader of the Beach Boys is nothing in the realm of "sarcastic". It's fitting to the question asked in the thread, and at the most "suggestive". But not "sarcastic".   Care to elaborate on that?

And remember that fans have little or no actual knowledge of the people they're fans of, apart from what they see in the media or in performance. Those fans that think they do are fooling themselves.

Why should I think that I have more knowledge of who Brian really is than anyone else?  

The picture of a tired-looking Brian sitting in the chair is both suggesting something and it's sarcastic to put that in a thread asking if should he retire...why not be suggestive the other way and post a still frame of him standing at the microphone smiling or singing or waving at the fans cheering for him? Or if the photo shows him sitting down looking tired, why even ask the question if the photo attached to it shows that instead of him actually performing or smiling, which he did both on that field a few days ago?

If the comment "the reasons are obvious" weren't a part of that opening post on the tired-Brian-in-chair thread, maybe the issue would be different. The bottom line is no one knows the reasons unless they're either Brian or part of his circle of family and friends. Nothing is obvious if the only view we see of a person is the public persona.

[bgas]

Let it GO!
I get SO tired of coming to threads expecting what's titled, only to find it's been derailed by some dunderheads

[guitarfool2002]

Let it GO!
I get SO tired of coming to threads expecting what's titled, only to find it's been derailed by some dunderheads

Feel better calling me a dunderhead? That's uncalled for. And not appreciated, pal.