Dennis and Carl on new album?

[runnersdialzero]

Check out the "new album"-thread. There's an interview posted today in which Al mentions that Carl's vcals from the song "Waves of love" from the aborted '95 album will be used

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Also, I don't mind them redoing a Dennis/Carl track from the 70s/80s as long as we get to hear the original production eventually. Can't find a problem with that. I'd really like both of them to make some kind of appearance on this album.

[PhilSpectre]

My personal opinion is that the best tribute to Dennis and Carl would be to use their songs, but not their voices or production talent.  Pick one Dennis song and one Carl song that was never finished, perhaps "I've Got a Friend" for Dennis; I don't know Carl's catalogue very well - and then record from scratch a cover of the song with the living beach boys singing.  They could even take a song that never had words written and write new words, as long as they rerecorded the backing track from scratch.  That way the fans get a new Dennis/Carl song which they never could have heard in completed form otherwise, the record doesn't suffer from continuity issues, and Dennis and Carl get a fitting tribute to their incredible talents and a voice on the Beach Boys last album, not literally, but in the songwriting, which is where it really counts anyway. 

At least in Dennis' case, I think this is an outstanding idea.  I'm dubious it would really happen, but great thought.

It would be a nice idea to re-record/ complete one of Dennis' good unreleased songs from scratch with the modern group, then maybe include a little sample of previously unheard studio chatter or laughter from Dennis himself at the end. IMO it would be quite fitting if vaguely morbid, I suppose  . Agreed, doubt it'll happen.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I very much hope they DON'T re-do one of Dennis's old unreleased songs. Whatever song it would or could be, i want to hear the original, thanks.

I agree. But if I recall correctly, AGD says Dennis never recorded a studio lead vocal for "I've Got a Friend". If I had a vote (don't), I'd do that one with David singing the lead.

[Ron]

Does anyone know of the possibility of Dennis and Carl being present on the new album? Are there any unfinished works in the vaults of their vocals that perhaps could be added to the new material? What would you think of that idea? It worked for the Beatles with FAAB and Real Love, maybe our boys can do the same. 

I kind of hope they don't.  It sounds really macabre in my opinion when they do that.  Real Love and Free As A Bird both make John Lennon sound like a corpse.  I mean they're great songs, but do I want to hear Carl Wilson singing to me from beyond the grave?  Hell no.  I'd rather remember Carl as he left it, on his terms, the songs he sang while he was with us, not some cobbled together frankentrack he never would have released.

For similar reasons I haven't listened to 1 Michael Jackson song that came out after he died, he wouldn't have released that stuff so I'm not into it.

Now, it's their perogative and if that's what they want to do, they should go right ahead, but if I had my druthers I'd prefer Dennis and Carl respectfully stay among the dead and the gentlemen who are actually still alive handle all the vocals. 

There's actually an argument to be made that it's disrespectful to their memory to drag them back out for a reunion decades after they've passed away.  They already did their work, let them rest now.   

[Wirestone]

Does anyone know of the possibility of Dennis and Carl being present on the new album? Are there any unfinished works in the vaults of their vocals that perhaps could be added to the new material? What would you think of that idea? It worked for the Beatles with FAAB and Real Love, maybe our boys can do the same. 

There's actually an argument to be made that it's disrespectful to their memory to drag them back out for a reunion decades after they've passed away.  They already did their work, let them rest now.   

And it's a good argument, too.

[Aegir]

If Carl's just singing one little bit on a bridge on one song, fine, that's not really that big of a deal.

[Paulos]

We've had Soul Searchin' and Don't Fight The Sea come out with Carls vocals featured and both times it sounds great, therefore I'm not sure why some people are so against Carls voice being on the new album.

[drbeachboy]

Does anyone know of the possibility of Dennis and Carl being present on the new album? Are there any unfinished works in the vaults of their vocals that perhaps could be added to the new material? What would you think of that idea? It worked for the Beatles with FAAB and Real Love, maybe our boys can do the same. 

I kind of hope they don't.  It sounds really macabre in my opinion when they do that.  Real Love and Free As A Bird both make John Lennon sound like a corpse.  I mean they're great songs, but do I want to hear Carl Wilson singing to me from beyond the grave?  Hell no.  I'd rather remember Carl as he left it, on his terms, the songs he sang while he was with us, not some cobbled together frankentrack he never would have released.

For similar reasons I haven't listened to 1 Michael Jackson song that came out after he died, he wouldn't have released that stuff so I'm not into it.

Now, it's their perogative and if that's what they want to do, they should go right ahead, but if I had my druthers I'd prefer Dennis and Carl respectfully stay among the dead and the gentlemen who are actually still alive handle all the vocals. 

There's actually an argument to be made that it's disrespectful to their memory to drag them back out for a reunion decades after they've passed away.  They already did their work, let them rest now.   

Does it feel like he is singing to you from the grave everytime you hear God Only Knows, Good Vibrations, Darlin', etc.? I really don't see the difference here with the new album. It's an old song, same as the others, only you've never heard it before.

[Cam Mott]

Whatever the other Boys decide is cool with me.

[runnersdialzero]

Real Love and Free As A Bird both make John Lennon sound like a corpse.

That'd be due to working with ancient, heavily manipulated cassette tapes, which is kind of a different scenario. Also, everything drbeachboy said is pretty spot on. So hay.

[Ron]

Does anyone know of the possibility of Dennis and Carl being present on the new album? Are there any unfinished works in the vaults of their vocals that perhaps could be added to the new material? What would you think of that idea? It worked for the Beatles with FAAB and Real Love, maybe our boys can do the same. 

I kind of hope they don't.  It sounds really macabre in my opinion when they do that.  Real Love and Free As A Bird both make John Lennon sound like a corpse.  I mean they're great songs, but do I want to hear Carl Wilson singing to me from beyond the grave?  Hell no.  I'd rather remember Carl as he left it, on his terms, the songs he sang while he was with us, not some cobbled together frankentrack he never would have released.

For similar reasons I haven't listened to 1 Michael Jackson song that came out after he died, he wouldn't have released that stuff so I'm not into it.

Now, it's their perogative and if that's what they want to do, they should go right ahead, but if I had my druthers I'd prefer Dennis and Carl respectfully stay among the dead and the gentlemen who are actually still alive handle all the vocals. 

There's actually an argument to be made that it's disrespectful to their memory to drag them back out for a reunion decades after they've passed away.  They already did their work, let them rest now.   

Does it feel like he is singing to you from the grave everytime you hear God Only Knows, Good Vibrations, Darlin', etc.? I really don't see the difference here with the new album. It's an old song, same as the others, only you've never heard it before.

To each his own.  When I hear "God Only Knows", I hear a 20 year old Carl singing at the top of his talent, a timeless song that he lived and loved in 1966. 

When I hear something that wasn't good enough to be released, cut into pieces, autotuned into a syllable-pieced-together jigsaw puzzle with 70 year old men singing over it.....

I hear Carl singing from a coffin. 

We're not talking about 'unreleased' songs, we're talking about studio trickery that exploits something Carl didn't think was good enough to be released. 

[Ron]

Real Love and Free As A Bird both make John Lennon sound like a corpse.

That'd be due to working with ancient, heavily manipulated cassette tapes, which is kind of a different scenario. Also, everything drbeachboy said is pretty spot on. So hay.

Well, the comment was "They could do it like Free as a Bird, or Real Love" to which I said "John sounds dead".

So since you agree, what exactly are you arguing with me about? 

[Jonathan Blum]

To each his own.  When I hear "God Only Knows", I hear a 20 year old Carl singing at the top of his talent, a timeless song that he lived and loved in 1966.  

When I hear something that wasn't good enough to be released, cut into pieces, autotuned into a syllable-pieced-together jigsaw puzzle with 70 year old men singing over it.....

I hear Carl singing from a coffin.  

We're not talking about 'unreleased' songs, we're talking about studio trickery that exploits something Carl didn't think was good enough to be released.  

"Soulful Old Man Shunshine" was just as much pieced-together and trickeryish, and way more explicitly a case of Carl not thinking it was good enough.  Did that get your back up too, or did you not notice?

"Unreleased" songs were unreleased for a reason...

Regards,
Jon Blum