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COMMENT:
I know it has been quite a few months, even almost a year, since I said I would soon have a Study-Video educational release about more of my work with The Beach Boys. There have been a number of setbacks and I sincerely apologize for the delays. First, Will of Will C. Productions became rather busy with projects that pay his bills. So his voluntary efforts became harder to fit into a busy schedule. As delays mounted, I decided to reach out to other fans that could help in bringing these Study-Videos to release. About this time my main computer hard drive crashed. Although all the Study-Videos were backed up, it was still another setback I did not need. Then my dear sister had several emergency health issues immerge that required two long and complex operations to correct. This along with months of re-habilitation has been taking much of my time away from the book’s publication. She is now on the mend and I can say with some confidence that my future time can now be devoted to completing the publication of the study-videos.
As fate would have it, a break came with a call from Jack Riley, the producer of the radio show “Magic Transistor Radio.” (J. Riley not J.Rieley). With a name like Magic Transistor Radio, you know it’s a Beach Boy friendly and hip University Radio Station show, hosted by WPRK-FM out of Rollins Collage, Winter Park, Orlando, Florida. (see link below) In the course of our planning for an interview, I asked Jack if he knew of anyone that might be able and willing to help with the Study-Videos as Will’s schedule was overloaded. The next day he called and enthusiastically suggested I contact his friend Mike Conner. He arranged a meeting and within a few minutes I knew this was a fan that would bring new energy and creative ideas to this project.
To my delight Mike was happy to help and I am also exceedingly glad that he is now involved. Briefly Mike and his family live near Orlando where Professor Mike Conner is Course Director of Music History at Full Sail University, Orlando Campus. Needless to say, his work with me is as a Beach Boy fan and not affiliated with the University. His concentration is popular music of the 1950s- 1980s, but I found him to be just as much a Beach Boys fanatic as any of us.
Our team still has the benefit of Will’s suggestions, but can now move much faster with Mike’s expertise on-board. Mike started his efforts with a Study-Video about Vega-tables I finished assembling over a year ago. He has finished converting those files to the study-video format also incorporating some of his own ideas. That Study-Video is now available at
http://swdstudyvideos.com
.
Please welcome Mike Conner and enjoy the new Study-Video.
I can now confidently say that the book will be coming along soon.
Good Listening, ~Stephen W. Desper
Magic Transistor Radio – typical show >>>
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Stephen, I was listening to Charles Lloyd's 1979 LP
Big Sur Tapestry
today and have a question about side two, the thirty minute long
Homage to the Universe
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I was typing my post above before seeing your post of a few minutes earlier. Glad to hear your sister is on the mend and now doing well. Looking forward to more study videos as well as the update of
Recording Sunflower and Surfs Up.
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Quote from: Custom Machine on November 13, 2014, 05:12:01 PM
Stephen, I was listening to Charles Lloyd's 1979 LP
Big Sur Tapestry
today and have a question about side two, the thirty minute long
Homage to the Universe
. You are credited as recording that track at Brian Wilson's home studio. I'm assuming it was recorded sometime in the late sixties thru the early seventies, and am wondering if you recall the year, or better yet the month or season of the year. Also, since the track is 30 minutes in length, did Charles Lloyd actually play the flute for that length of time non-stop, or was the recording put together from shorter recordings? Any recollections you have of recording this highly relaxing piece of music would be appreciated.
COMMENT: I am sorry but I do not recall the dates of the session. If giving a guess, I would say that a later date in your time-frame is more likely to be correct. My recording dates with Mr. Lloyd were more frequent at the decade's change. As to the 30 minute track . . . Charles Lloyd takes his spiritual self quite seriously. He practiced TM sincerely and without pretense. It was as much part of his person as was his flute playing. It was usual for Charles to meditate 1/2 to one hour prior to a flute session. Once that session started you could expect it to last as long as, well, it was to last. From an engineer's point of view, you best have double masters available for recording since Charles could exceed the standard tape reel's recording time. So another tape must be started before the first one ends. I cannot say for certain that what you hear on
Big Sur Tapestry
is one complete take, but most of them were. He very rarely punched-in to add something, and certainly never to correct something. That would be sacrilege"! to Charles' way of recording. His vamps were one complete creation, so I doubt what you hear on
Big Sur Tapestry
is a collection of separated time sequences.
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I know it has been quite a few months, even almost a year, since I said I would soon have a Study-Video educational release about more of my work with The Beach Boys. There have been a number of setbacks and I sincerely apologize for the delays. First, Will of Will C. Productions became rather busy with projects that pay his bills. So his voluntary efforts became harder to fit into a busy schedule. As delays mounted, I decided to reach out to other fans that could help in bringing these Study-Videos to release. About this time my main computer hard drive crashed. Although all the Study-Videos were backed up, it was still another setback I did not need. Then my dear sister had several emergency health issues immerge that required two long and complex operations to correct. This along with months of re-habilitation has been taking much of my time away from the book’s publication. She is now on the mend and I can say with some confidence that my future time can now be devoted to completing the publication of the study-videos.
As fate would have it, a break came with a call from Jack Riley, the producer of the radio show “Magic Transistor Radio.” (J. Riley not J.Rieley). With a name like Magic Transistor Radio, you know it’s a Beach Boy friendly and hip University Radio Station show, hosted by WPRK-FM out of Rollins Collage, Winter Park, Orlando, Florida. (see link below) In the course of our planning for an interview, I asked Jack if he knew of anyone that might be able and willing to help with the Study-Videos as Will’s schedule was overloaded. The next day he called and enthusiastically suggested I contact his friend Mike Conner. He arranged a meeting and within a few minutes I knew this was a fan that would bring new energy and creative ideas to this project.
To my delight Mike was happy to help and I am also exceedingly glad that he is now involved. Briefly Mike and his family live near Orlando where Professor Mike Conner is Course Director of Music History at Full Sail University, Orlando Campus. Needless to say, his work with me is as a Beach Boy fan and not affiliated with the University. His concentration is popular music of the 1950s- 1980s, but I found him to be just as much a Beach Boys fanatic as any of us.
Our team still has the benefit of Will’s suggestions, but can now move much faster with Mike’s expertise on-board. Mike started his efforts with a Study-Video about Vega-tables I finished assembling over a year ago. He has finished converting those files to the study-video format also incorporating some of his own ideas. That Study-Video is now available at
http://swdstudyvideos.com
.
Please welcome Mike Conner and enjoy the new Study-Video.
I can now confidently say that the book will be coming along soon.
Good Listening, ~Stephen W. Desper
Magic Transistor Radio – typical show >>>
https://archive.org/details/ZombiesWPRKInterviewWithRodArgentAndColinBlunstone
P.S. Thanks to you all for your kind wishes to my sister. ~swd
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Great to see you active again and glad to hear that your sister is doing well.
Thanks for the new video. I do love that song. The Smiley Smile version is very dry, though some reverb was added to the Hawthorne, CA stereo remix. Your new version adds very interesting depth and width to the sound image, which allowed me to hear little details more clearly than I had before.
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Quote from: Stephen W. Desper on November 13, 2014, 06:22:02 PM
COMMENT:
Our team still has the benefit of Will’s suggestions, but can now move much faster with Mike’s expertise on-board. Mike started his efforts with a Study-Video about Vega-tables I finished assembling over a year ago. He has finished converting those files to the study-video format also incorporating some of his own ideas. That Study-Video is now available at
http://swdstudyvideos.com
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Please welcome Mike Conner and enjoy the new Study-Video.
I can now confidently say that the book will be coming along soon.
Good Listening, ~Stephen W. Desper
Hi Stephen, Will and welcome Mike!
The Vega-tables study video! FANTASTIC! and ticks all the boxes.
Great exploration of a very simple but highly effective recording replete with historical context in relation to the original recording - as per the usual standard of study videos to date.
But now enhanced with a better visual approach - I think you've made a great decision to present a "canvas" that has active and static elements on display - looking quite stylish too with the spiffy graphics; loved the spinning 45 graphic and the retro style coloured vertical bars the 45 hovers over.
Also nice of you to now cater for the headphone set - I gave it a try out of curiousity and quite enjoyed the knocks coming from outside of my head. Overall though, the enhancements work best through stereo speakers (imo) for that room filling experience (and with eyes closed on 2nd or 3rd playing, once you've read through the guide detail).
I wait in patient anticipation for the ongoing work you have planned - it's wonderful stuff; thanks for persevering through the set-backs and more important concerns you've had in the past year in order to give us these fantastic insights - cheers - A
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Quote from: Alan Smith on November 24, 2014, 07:36:36 PM
Hi Stephen, Will and welcome Mike!
The Vega-tables study video! FANTASTIC! and ticks all the boxes.
Great exploration of a very simple but highly effective recording replete with historical context in relation to the original recording - as per the usual standard of study videos to date.
But now enhanced with a better visual approach - I think you've made a great decision to present a "canvas" that has active and static elements on display - looking quite stylish too with the spiffy graphics; loved the spinning 45 graphic and the retro style coloured vertical bars the 45 hovers over.
Also nice of you to now cater for the headphone set - I gave it a try out of curiousity and quite enjoyed the knocks coming from outside of my head. Overall though, the enhancements work best through stereo speakers (imo) for that room filling experience (and with eyes closed on 2nd or 3rd playing, once you've read through the guide detail).
I wait in patient anticipation for the ongoing work you have planned - it's wonderful stuff; thanks for persevering through the set-backs and more important concerns you've had in the past year in order to give us these fantastic insights - cheers - A
Alan,
Thank you so much for your positive feedback. It is a true honor to work with Mr. Desper and I am incredibly excited about this opportunity. We are beginning the next video and I look forward to the discussion that will follow. Steve's book is truly amazing. His recollections stand as an invaluable first-hand source for Beach Boys fans.
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Wow! Great new experience of Vega-Tables and insight into your technique. I was especially excited when I saw that it would be a spatialized mix of the extended version - I definitely share your enthusiasm for this recording! Thank you as well to Professor Conner for stepping in to assist.
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Thank you Stephen for taking the time to share this with us. Looking forward to the book being released!
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Great Stuff, the new Study Video really adds to experience of Vegetables - fascinating. And thanks of course to Mr Conner for his video work - welcome aboard the good ship SmileySmile.net!
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Hi Stephen - happy birthday!
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Quote from: Alan Smith on December 31, 2014, 11:33:28 PM
Hi Stephen - happy birthday!
COMMENT: Although you are four months ahead of schedule, I'll take your sentiment with a sincere thank you!.
~swd
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Quote from: Alan Smith on December 31, 2014, 11:33:28 PM
Hi Stephen - happy birthday!
COMMENT: Although you are four months ahead of schedule, I'll take your sentiment with a sincere thank you!.
~swd
Stephen, I hope the original BB bandmembers get to watch some of the study videos sometime, I'm sure they'd be in for a treat if they have any interest in revisiting the amazing details like we do!
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Quote from: Stephen W. Desper on January 07, 2015, 07:29:25 AM
Quote from: Alan Smith on December 31, 2014, 11:33:28 PM
Hi Stephen - happy birthday!
COMMENT: Although you are four months ahead of schedule, I'll take your sentiment with a sincere thank you!.
~swd
Whoa, 4 months ahead! I coulda sworn I saw your name in the upcoming birthday list on the main page here the day I posted.
Oh well - anyway, YES! Bank it for your actual birthday! The pleasure is all ours - cheers - A
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Hi Stephen. I'd be grateful for a brief reply to these queries:
1) A version of "Country Air" I recently heard on Youtube seems to have less hiss than past versions I've heard. Have recent remasters resolved that old problem?
2) Did Brian have any input into the 'long' instrumental intro to 'Til I Die'?
3) How much of the Spring album is Brian's studio work?
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I have a question regarding the song "Never Learn Not To Love". We all know the history behind the song, my question is who was responsible for the incredible arrangement on 20/20? There's a lot going on there! And thank you for the study videos.
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Quote from: harrisonjon on January 14, 2015, 11:15:29 AM
Hi Stephen. I'd be grateful for a brief reply to these queries:
1) A version of "Country Air" I recently heard on Youtube seems to have less hiss than past versions I've heard. Have recent remasters resolved that old problem?
2) Did Brian have any input into the 'long' instrumental intro to 'Til I Die'?
3) How much of the Spring album is Brian's studio work?
COMMENT or answers to questions:
1) I wouldn't place much credence with judging fidelity on YouTube. If you think the hiss problem lies with the original master, then re-mastering using a digital algorithm to remove the hiss may be what you are hearing. I have never liked what these approaches do to the sound while removing the hiss, but they do remove hiss. OR perhaps you just are not hearing the hiss do to the lack of top-end response via YouTube. It is MP3 after all.
2) No. I mixed that with no one around and actually made it for my own entertainment. I eventually loaned my copy to BRI who published my version on CD. By the way, the so-called Master is really a cassette copy, I made directly from the mixing console one late evening. I played it in my car for several years before it was copied and issued onto a CD offered to the public.
3) Marylyn and I differ on this estimate, but I would say about 5% of the time whereas she thinks it's more like 25%. You ask about his studio involvement and I'd still say it was around five or ten percent -- not much. But don't forget that he wrote and produced some of the tracks, and that may be included in her estimate. I recorded and mixed the album, which accounts for much of the actual studio time, but remember that Brian and his wife (of that time) spent many more hours together in their home. During that time Brian could have been working out details of which I'm not aware. Of course, it goes without saying that without Brian, the album would never have been.
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Quote from: Roger The Shrubber on January 18, 2015, 11:03:42 PM
I have a question regarding the song "Never Learn Not To Love". We all know the history behind the song, my question is who was responsible for the incredible arrangement on 20/20? There's a lot going on there! And thank you for the study videos.
COMMENT: I guess I'm a unique fellow in the universe having been the guy who recorded both the Manson demo and the Beach Boy final song.
To answer your question, Manson only had a song with basic chords on the guitar and a melody lead line. It was the 'Boys who took that basic concept and turned it into a real commercial tune. All the added vocal arrangement throughout the entire song was created by Brian and Carl. Manson was only in the studio one evening, by himself and his silent girls. He never conferred or worked in any way with the group.
If Manson had not been so impatient in his quest for stardom, he may have made some money with this song, but as we know his desires took an evil pathway resulting in much tragedy and mayhem.
~swd
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Speaking of "Country Air", I have a question about an odd, interference-like noise that shows up in all versions of the song that I've heard. It starts at about 1:17, during a short time when there's no singing. It get's the most audible at about 1:22 or so. Almost sounds like what happens when your cell phone gets too close to your computer speakers. Do you happen to know what this is, Mr. Desper?
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Quote from: Bubbly Waves on January 22, 2015, 06:02:01 PM
Speaking of "Country Air", I have a question about an odd, interference-like noise that shows up in all versions of the song that I've heard. It starts at about 1:17, during a short time when there's no singing. It get's the most audible at about 1:22 or so. Almost sounds like what happens when your cell phone gets too close to your computer speakers. Do you happen to know what this is, Mr. Desper?
I've noticed that sound too. Sounds like a bee flying by a microphone or something...
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Quote from: Bubbly Waves on January 22, 2015, 06:02:01 PM
Speaking of "Country Air", I have a question about an odd, interference-like noise that shows up in all versions of the song that I've heard. It starts at about 1:17, during a short time when there's no singing. It get's the most audible at about 1:22 or so. Almost sounds like what happens when your cell phone gets too close to your computer speakers. Do you happen to know what this is, Mr. Desper?
That would be a messed up cable distorting the Chamberlin's output.
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Quote from: Stephen W. Desper on January 22, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
Quote from: Roger The Shrubber on January 18, 2015, 11:03:42 PM
I have a question regarding the song "Never Learn Not To Love". We all know the history behind the song, my question is who was responsible for the incredible arrangement on 20/20? There's a lot going on there! And thank you for the study videos.
COMMENT: I guess I'm a unique fellow in the universe having been the guy who recorded both the Manson demo and the Beach Boy final song.
To answer your question, Manson only had a song with basic chords on the guitar and a melody lead line. It was the 'Boys who took that basic concept and turned it into a real commercial tune. All the added vocal arrangement throughout the entire song was created by
Brian and Carl
. Manson was only in the studio one evening, by himself and his silent girls. He never conferred or worked in any way with the group.
If Manson had not been so impatient in his quest for stardom, he may have made some money with this song, but as we know his desires took an evil pathway resulting in much tragedy and mayhem.
~swd
Thank you so much for answering my question, Stephen. It is an incredible arrangement with flutes, pedal steel, fuzz bass, sleigh bells, etc. I really love it and am not too surprised that it was Brian and Carl who made it so beautiful but it was nice to have it confirmed.
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Quote from: Stephen W. Desper on January 22, 2015, 11:26:21 AM
Manson only had a song with basic chords on the guitar and a melody lead line. It was the 'Boys who took that basic concept and turned it into a real commercial tune. All the added vocal arrangement throughout the entire song was created by Brian and Carl.
Brian
and Carl did that? Given the production credit of Dennis and Carl I had naturally assumed Brian didn't work on it. What was Dennis' role in the production? Did Brian work on "Be With Me" too?
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