Wow...Mike, Al and Dave Reunion!

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^Yes, Brian not showing up will add to the "reclusive burnout" image. Which uh... Don't really at all go in hand with "founding genius."

Are you familiar at all with the life of Brian Wilson?

Yes, I am aware that Brian spent a lot of time in his room in the 1970s.

No, I do not think somebody that tours, releases albums as regularly as he has been AND does regular promotion & interviews for said albums is trying to portray any sort of "reclusive burnout" image.

Sure, Brian's brain is "burned" from the decades of drugs, but reclusive? Nah.

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OSD is right. Brian has neither anything to gain nor lose by not appearing at such things, therefore why not just stay home?

I'm sure his fans would have appreciated it. We already lost 2 of the 3 Wilson brothers. Would be cool to see Mike & Brian bury the hatchet one last time even if it's just for some shitty awards show.

[Heysaboda]

Because of people on this site, David Marks got to meet Buzz Aldrin. Unless they've met before. Pretty cool. Too bad Brian wasn't there. TOO BAD.

I don't think that's Buzz Aldrin. Face looks wrong.

Is it Ed Asner?

[Smilin Ed H]

Mike has Ed Asner in his jacket pocket

[Steve Mayo]

Because of people on this site, David Marks got to meet Buzz Aldrin. Unless they've met before. Pretty cool. Too bad Brian wasn't there. TOO BAD.

I don't think that's Buzz Aldrin. Face looks wrong.

you are right. buzz is shown in some of the other photos though. wearing different outfit. and he has more hair.

[bgas]

Late, but still: 

Who is the great interviewer for the BBs? 
Was Santana's wife one of his granddaughters friends? 
Did Al borrow his jacket from the set of "Big" ?

[Mr. Wilson]

he ought to ask seen any UFO"s lately..??  He is one that actually talks about it.....!!!..he says they are real..   if you laugh at\ this post you are uninformed.. bw doesn't need to be there..nice 2 see every one else there tho.

[Wirestone]

Yes, I am aware that Brian spent a lot of time in his room in the 1970s.

No, I do not think somebody that tours, releases albums as regularly as he has been AND does regular promotion & interviews for said albums is trying to portray any sort of "reclusive burnout" image.

Sure, Brian's brain is "burned" from the decades of drugs, but reclusive? Nah.

I wasn't talking about facts -- I was just talking about image. And BW has, for better or worse, this damaged genius image that includes the heights of Pet Sounds and the depths of 20 years spent in his bedroom. (Never mind that he did better music and didn't stay in bed for years on end.) Not showing up burnishes that image -- even though he's probably just being a d--k.

The thing is, Brian's legacy with The Beach Boys should be just has important to him as is his own personal legacy. Much of Brian's legacy, personal or group was during his time as a Beach Boy. Nothing Brian has done on his own will ever reach what was accomplished with The Beach Boys. To me, it would be in his own best interest to embrace The Beach Boys now, while interest is hot. Solidifying all his bases can do nothing but enhance his standing further in the music world.

I actually mostly agree with this. But I'm also not exactly sure that "interest is hot." Something has to happen for there to be interest.

[runnersdialzero]

Anyone else disappointed that this wasn't in reference to Dave Lee Roth, Mike Anthony, and Al(ex) Van Halen?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Why did that ceremony end with a performance by a Blues Brothers tribute band? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Also, David Marks has it pretty sweet. Think about it. He joins the band, sticks around long enough to be remembered, leaves, and now forty years later he gets all sorts of accolades for his five seconds in the group.

YEAH...pretty sweet. He records all those hit songs, and plays on those hit albums, and then gets screwed out of millions of dollars by Murry and Capitol. Boy does he have it made!!

And he STILL probably has more dough than the rest of us will ever see...

Read Jon's book! I'll bet you and I had more than $10 in our pocket the day Dave spent his last on parking to go bat for Mike!

[hypehat]

I don't think that's Buzz Aldrin. Face looks wrong.

Well, thanks for ruining my otherwise spectacular caption, AGD

[Emdeeh]

The caption on the Sac. Bee website now says it's Chuck Yeager, not Buzz Aldrin.

[Zander]

Why did that ceremony end with a performance by a Blues Brothers tribute band? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Also, David Marks has it pretty sweet. Think about it. He joins the band, sticks around long enough to be remembered, leaves, and now forty years later he gets all sorts of accolades for his five seconds in the group.

YEAH...pretty sweet. He records all those hit songs, and plays on those hit albums, and then gets screwed out of millions of dollars by Murry and Capitol. Boy does he have it made!!

And he STILL probably has more dough than the rest of us will ever see...

Read Jon's book! I'll bet you and I had more than $10 in our pocket the day Dave spent his last on parking to go bat for Mike!

Already have - both, I'll swap my job for his job and rates of pay. I wouldn't choose to leave a no. 1 band leaving behind fame & fortune...

[bgas]

Why did that ceremony end with a performance by a Blues Brothers tribute band? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Also, David Marks has it pretty sweet. Think about it. He joins the band, sticks around long enough to be remembered, leaves, and now forty years later he gets all sorts of accolades for his five seconds in the group.

YEAH...pretty sweet. He records all those hit songs, and plays on those hit albums, and then gets screwed out of millions of dollars by Murry and Capitol. Boy does he have it made!!

And he STILL probably has more dough than the rest of us will ever see...

Read Jon's book! I'll bet you and I had more than $10 in our pocket the day Dave spent his last on parking to go bat for Mike!

Already have - both, I'll swap my job for his job and rates of pay. I wouldn't choose to leave a no. 1 band leaving behind fame & fortune...

First you have to move across the street from the Hawthorne house now

[runnersdialzero]

Already have - both, I'll swap my job for his job and rates of pay. I wouldn't choose to leave a no. 1 band leaving behind fame & fortune...

Who are you to judge what Murry was putting David, who for just a kid at the time, through? Or his parents' decision to take him out of the group because Murry was fucking him out of a fair amount of money?

If someone is royally fucking you over, I wouldn't just accept that. But then I know most people would and do, albeit likely not on the scale that David went through.

[Shady]

What a shame Brian didn't show..

I'd guess he was Busy Doin' Nothin

[drbeachboy]

Yes, I am aware that Brian spent a lot of time in his room in the 1970s.

No, I do not think somebody that tours, releases albums as regularly as he has been AND does regular promotion & interviews for said albums is trying to portray any sort of "reclusive burnout" image.

Sure, Brian's brain is "burned" from the decades of drugs, but reclusive? Nah.

I wasn't talking about facts -- I was just talking about image. And BW has, for better or worse, this damaged genius image that includes the heights of Pet Sounds and the depths of 20 years spent in his bedroom. (Never mind that he did better music and didn't stay in bed for years on end.) Not showing up burnishes that image -- even though he's probably just being a d--k.

The thing is, Brian's legacy with The Beach Boys should be just has important to him as is his own personal legacy. Much of Brian's legacy, personal or group was during his time as a Beach Boy. Nothing Brian has done on his own will ever reach what was accomplished with The Beach Boys. To me, it would be in his own best interest to embrace The Beach Boys now, while interest is hot. Solidifying all his bases can do nothing but enhance his standing further in the music world.

I actually mostly agree with this. But I'm also not exactly sure that "interest is hot." Something has to happen for there to be interest.

Hot, as in the releases of ITKOD, Smile, 50th Anniversary of the band, and possible new solo/band album in the works for next year. These are near term items that put him and the band in the spotlight. Including the 2 movies in the works, I'd say that is pretty hot.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Why did that ceremony end with a performance by a Blues Brothers tribute band? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Also, David Marks has it pretty sweet. Think about it. He joins the band, sticks around long enough to be remembered, leaves, and now forty years later he gets all sorts of accolades for his five seconds in the group.

YEAH...pretty sweet. He records all those hit songs, and plays on those hit albums, and then gets screwed out of millions of dollars by Murry and Capitol. Boy does he have it made!!

And he STILL probably has more dough than the rest of us will ever see...

Read Jon's book! I'll bet you and I had more than $10 in our pocket the day Dave spent his last on parking to go bat for Mike!

Already have - both, I'll swap my job for his job and rates of pay. I wouldn't choose to leave a no. 1 band leaving behind fame & fortune...

David never seems to complain about how he got screwed by Murry.  He seemingly, suffered in silence. 

Unlike Mike who always seemed to be whining how he wrote this and that and didn't get a writing credit.  I imagine, back in the day, David came up with an original lick or two but would never make a claim against Brian over songwriting credits.

There are certain ways of handling things in life and David always seems to take the high road.

[SBonilla]

David never seems to complain about how he got screwed by Murry.  He seemingly, suffered in silence.  

Unlike Mike who always seemed to be whining how he wrote this and that and didn't get a writing credit.  I imagine, back in the day, David came up with an original lick or two but would never make a claim against Brian over songwriting credits.

There are certain ways of handling things in life and David always seems to take the high road.
[/quote]

Songs are like real estate; they are properties with attached ownership and rights that can be traded, sold, or assigned . The creator of a musical composition is the sole owner of those rights, from the moment of composition's inception, until he sells them or assigns them to another entity.

Claiming what's yours is taking the high road.

[Pretty Funky]

Chuck.  "I havn't seen anything this loud since I broke the sound barrier!"

[Shady]

How slick does Mike look, the man looks great..

Dave and Al too

[SBonilla]

How slick does Mike look, the man looks great..

Dave and Al too

I know! That jacket is BOSS!

[Jon Stebbins]

Why did that ceremony end with a performance by a Blues Brothers tribute band? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Also, David Marks has it pretty sweet. Think about it. He joins the band, sticks around long enough to be remembered, leaves, and now forty years later he gets all sorts of accolades for his five seconds in the group.

YEAH...pretty sweet. He records all those hit songs, and plays on those hit albums, and then gets screwed out of millions of dollars by Murry and Capitol. Boy does he have it made!!

And he STILL probably has more dough than the rest of us will ever see...

Read Jon's book! I'll bet you and I had more than $10 in our pocket the day Dave spent his last on parking to go bat for Mike!

Already have - both, I'll swap my job for his job and rates of pay. I wouldn't choose to leave a no. 1 band leaving behind fame & fortune...

David never seems to complain about how he got screwed by Murry.  He seemingly, suffered in silence. 

Unlike Mike who always seemed to be whining how he wrote this and that and didn't get a writing credit.  I imagine, back in the day, David came up with an original lick or two but would never make a claim against Brian over songwriting credits.

There are certain ways of handling things in life and David always seems to take the high road.

David could easily make a claim for songwritng credit on something like Surf Jam, which isn't really a song but as the title says, its a spontaneous jam...David's riff starts the song but Carl gets the sole writer's credit. Another one is Stoked! Brian gets that credit...I believe Dave thought of the title....and again its just a jam. Maybe a group credit would have been nice. None of this is really songwriting...but a credit or two on a million selling LP like Surfin USA would have put some significant money in his pocket. He did submit his own Kustom Kar Show for the Little Deuce Coupe LP which was rejected, that would have been his music and lyrics....but that show didn't go. Dave and Carl wrote an instrumental titled Blue City which the Beach Boys played live but never recorded. Part of this is why Dave left the group without asking for a contract settlement which the court most certainly would have upheld for a minor, he was in a hurry to get his own stuff out there. He was 15, not thinking about money, and the adults that were supposed to protect his interests did not. That's how you lose 20% of the Beach Boys franchise.

[oldsurferdude]

How slick does Mike look, the man looks great..

Dave and Al too

Myke's jacket-Salvation Army, hat-Hat City-Looks like a pimp whose taste is in his derriere.

[Keri]

Not showing up burnishes that image -- even though he's probably just being a d--k.

This stuff doesn't matter, turning up for an award ceremony? Really? I think Brian's image is better served by making good music and he has made plenty of that since leaving the Beach Boys.