Recording the new album at Gary Griffin's

[Rocker]

Beach Boys Examiner:

http://www.examiner.com/article/behind-the-scenes-with-gary-griffin?CID=examiner_alerts_article

[Wah Wah Wah Ooooo]

Does anyone know why Al Jardine isn't mentioned as being recorded there?  Did he completely record his vocal contributions to TWGMTR at a different studio? 

[the professor]

It's not perfectly clear what David did on the songs mentioned from TWGMTR, but I do think it's clear that his work on the title track involves 2-3 tracks and that he owns the song as a guitarist. As I have said, he echoes his parts on "Keep an eye on summer" and other songs in his parts; I think now also that it is he playing the fills after the phrases "it's paradise when I", etc.  He must be playing all the guitars except for the Toto, "hold the line" bridge/break.

It's also implied, though no where formally announced, that there will be a future BB recording. That's the biggest news I anticipate as the months roll on--that and the new version of IIT. I share the archivist fervor that many of you have for the arcane and for unreleased versions, etc., but new BB music is the gold standard for me.

[Rocker]

It's not perfectly clear what David did on the songs mentioned from TWGMTR, but I do think it's clear that his work on the title track involves 2-3 tracks and that he owns the song as a guitarist. As I have said, he echoes his parts on "Keep an eye on summer" and other songs in his parts; I think now also that it is he playing the fills after the phrases "it's paradise when I", etc.  He must be playing all the guitars except for the Toto, "hold the line" bridge/break.

The article says that David's playing on "Strange world" (if I understood correctly) yet the credits in the booklet don't even have a guitar listed, although very clearly there is one. I would love to have the correct credits. And I would also would love to finally know if he sang on the album or some songs

[ptijerm]

"...a very cool David Marks original called, “Stowaway,” which apparently will be included in a future Beach Boys project."

This is a neat tidbit of information.  I wonder if this song will be included on the box set to be released later on in the year or the rumored next Beach Boys album?

[EgoHanger1966]

"...a very cool David Marks original called, “Stowaway,” which apparently will be included in a future Beach Boys project."

This is a neat tidbit of information.  I wonder if this song will be included on the box set to be released later on in the year or the rumored next Beach Boys album?

This song was on a solo album of David's. Here a sample here:

http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway/dp/B00199S3L4

[Aegir]

Listening to Stowaway on Spotify right now... to me it sounds like if "Beaches in Mind" was written by Dennis.

[HeyJude]

The article says that David's playing on "Strange world" (if I understood correctly) yet the credits in the booklet don't even have a guitar listed, although very clearly there is one. I would love to have the correct credits. And I would also would love to finally know if he sang on the album or some songs

I think there are credits missing from the CD. I recall, for example, that while saxophone is clearly heard on the title track, none is listed on the credits. If you listen to the b-side backing track of the song from the vinyl 45 single, there is no saxophone on it, suggesting it was a later overdub. It seems maybe some of David's guitar parts were later overdubs as well. It seems perhaps the CD booklet credits are missing some of the later overdub session credits. Just a guess of course.

[Wirestone]

The credits are terrible. Some songs are missing credits for the entire rhythm section. So it's not just a question of overdubs.

Here's a quick list of what's missing in the credits, to my ears.

TWGMTR -- Saxophone
Isn't It Time -- Keyboard
Shelter -- Drums and bass
Strange World -- Guitar
FTTBA -- Drums

[the professor]

"...a very cool David Marks original called, “Stowaway,” which apparently will be included in a future Beach Boys project."

This is a neat tidbit of information.  I wonder if this song will be included on the box set to be released later on in the year or the rumored next Beach Boys album?

This song was on a solo album of David's. Here a sample here:

http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway/dp/B00199S3L4

Thank you, ego. I am an idiot, as I have been listening to that song all this week on Dave's album (it's on Rhapsody and my sandisc) but failed to make the connection when I read of it in that essay. I was so excited to hear of the next "BB project" and of Dave having a song there that I failed to analyze the statement. Now I am at a loss unless the BB plan to redo that song themselves, which I suppose is possible.

Again, we wait until things get clarified; it is a very Dennis sounding song, I agree; could the BB elevate, or should I say, transform it, into a masterpiece. It's a gutsy, down and dirty cut as Dave, in the tradition and style of his friend, has produced it. Does the article make clear that they have begun such a process?

[Ron]

Ron rambling about stupid sh*t

[Rocker]

I think Dave re-records Stowaway because he probably likes that song, in the same way that Mike re-records "Daybreak over the Ocean", Al re-records "Waves of Love", Bruce re-records (can't remember the name), and Brian re-records "Shortnin' Bread/Proud Mary/Goin' Home/No Wrong Notes In Heaven/Ding Dang". 

"Daybreak over the ocean" wasn't re-recorded. It's the "Mike Love Not War"-version with Beach Boys-overdubs

[Ron]

Ohhhhh.  O.K., well then I'm wrong about everything and my point is invalid.

Thank you for correcting me. 

[Rocker]

Ohhhhh.  O.K., well then I'm wrong about everything and my point is invalid.

Why so sarcastic ?

BTW I just remembered that "Daybreak" was recorded for one of Mike's first attempts at a solo album, so the TGWMTR/MLNW version actually is a re-recording

[Ron]

No NO, you're right.  MIke Love has never re-recorded anything so my point is invalid.  I guess Dave is re-recording this song because he can only write 1 song, that's the only explanation, my post should be deleted. 

*goes to delete post


There, fixed it for you!  Sorry I f***ed up, I'll try not to make the mistake of broadly generalizing in the future.  Back to your regular elitist, I know everything and nobody else should comment or they get corrected because they're a dumbass... program. 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Seriously, chill. No need to get upset by it.

[Aegir]

 

I think the reason Daybreak only needed overdubs was because it more or less had the same general production style as the rest of the album. Dave's would need to be rerecorded.

[c-man]

It's not perfectly clear what David did on the songs mentioned from TWGMTR, but I do think it's clear that his work on the title track involves 2-3 tracks and that he owns the song as a guitarist. As I have said, he echoes his parts on "Keep an eye on summer" and other songs in his parts; I think now also that it is he playing the fills after the phrases "it's paradise when I", etc.  He must be playing all the guitars except for the Toto, "hold the line" bridge/break.

It's also implied, though no where formally announced, that there will be a future BB recording. That's the biggest news I anticipate as the months roll on--that and the new version of IIT. I share the archivist fervor that many of you have for the arcane and for unreleased versions, etc., but new BB music is the gold standard for me.

There's four guitarists credited on the song TWGMTR, including Dave (five if you count Jeffrey's acoustic guitar), so I'm not sure that Dave would have played more than one part.  From watching them perform the song on TV and in person, it seems to me that Dave is playing a part really similar to what he's said was his role on most of the early BBs songs (a "dingy-ding" eigth note pattern on mostly the root and fifth of a barre chord).  Nicky seemed to be playing a tremelo-y part, so that's likely what HE did on the record.  Jeff strums away across all six strings, as he likely would have on his studio acoustic part, while Scott T. plays the heavier part that includes strumming once and sliding between frets with his neck hand, so I'm thinking that part was likely played on the record by one of the two session guitarists credited.

As for "Keep An Eye On Summer", I've long suspected that Dave may be on that track, even though it was released after he'd left the group (my thinking is because it was cowritten with Bob Norberg, it possibly dates from an earlier era than the rest of the Shut Down, Vol. II tracks).  Is there any confirmation of that anywhere?

[the professor]

great contribution from c-man, for which I thank him. It's never going to be clear or certain (beyond what c-man keenly discerns) until Dave confirms it with Jon or another inquiring historian. To my mind, I just hope that Dave and the BB consider his parts on all the songs to be an artistic success.  It's got to be Dave on Strange world, bizarrely un-credited, and it's he, as well, I think , on BIM (C-Berry style fills). 

Like many of you I want a full accounting, some assurance of aesthetic satisfaction, and new work to celebrate and analyze, preferably without this impenetrable smokescreen of mis-attribution, or , rather, incomplete attribution in the poorly done, nearly illegible credits. Who designed that bizarre micrography anyway?

[Andrew G. Doe]

As for "Keep An Eye On Summer", I've long suspected that Dave may be on that track, even though it was released after he'd left the group (my thinking is because it was cowritten with Bob Norberg, it possibly dates from an earlier era than the rest of the Shut Down, Vol. II tracks).  Is there any confirmation of that anywhere?

David hasn't mentioned playing on it, to the best of my knowledge, but from conversations with both he and Carrie, I strongly believe that he played on both "Drive-In" and the released version of "Little St. Nick" from the 10/18/63 Western session.

[the professor]

As for "Keep An Eye On Summer", I've long suspected that Dave may be on that track, even though it was released after he'd left the group (my thinking is because it was cowritten with Bob Norberg, it possibly dates from an earlier era than the rest of the Shut Down, Vol. II tracks).  Is there any confirmation of that anywhere?

David hasn't mentioned playing on it, to the best of my knowledge, but from conversations with both he and Carrie, I strongly believe that he played on both "Drive-In" and the released version of "Little St. Nick" from the 10/18/63 Western session.

Yes, if he is on KAEOS or not, it's certainly his  "dingy-ding" eigth note pattern on mostly the root and fifth of a barre chord" that marked his style on the early records and marks TWGMTR. A short interview with Dave clarifying all this would be great; until , then, I'm tuning in every day to listen to the album. I want Dave to have it all, and I think he is about as redeemed as a musician can be from what I can tell.

[Rocker]

As for "Keep An Eye On Summer", I've long suspected that Dave may be on that track, even though it was released after he'd left the group (my thinking is because it was cowritten with Bob Norberg, it possibly dates from an earlier era than the rest of the Shut Down, Vol. II tracks).  Is there any confirmation of that anywhere?

David hasn't mentioned playing on it, to the best of my knowledge, but from conversations with both he and Carrie, I strongly believe that he played on both "Drive-In" and the released version of "Little St. Nick" from the 10/18/63 Western session.

Yes, if he is on KAEOS or not, it's certainly his  "dingy-ding" eigth note pattern on mostly the root and fifth of a barre chord" that marked his style on the early records and marks TWGMTR. A short interview with Dave clarifying all this would be great; until , then, I'm tuning in every day to listen to the album. I want Dave to have it all, and I think he is about as redeemed as a musician can be from what I can tell.

I'd love to have a whole segment on a DVD with David talking about and demonstrating the early Beach Boy guitar sound. Just like he did on that "Doin' it again" PBS-special. But that was only a few minuts