SMiLE References in Later Albums.

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

SMiLE References and Releases  (Original Catalog Only!)

Our Prayer:
Released on 20/20

Heroes and Villains:
Released on Smiley Smile

Do You Like Worms?:
Inspiration for "Little Pad" and "Whistle In"


Barnyard:
Nothing?

I'm In Great Shape:
"Tools" used in "Do it Again"

Cabin Essence:
Released on 20/20

Wonderful:
Released on Smiley Smile

Look:
Nothing?

Child Is Father Of The Man:
Musically Related to "Little Bird"
Used as the Coda to the '71 "Surf's Up"

Surf's Up:
Released on "Surf's Up"

Vega-Tables:
Released as "Vegatables" on Smiley Smile
"Mama Says" Section used as a separate track on "Wild Honey"

Holidays:
Nothing.

Wind Chimes:
Released on "Smiley Smile"

Mrs. O'Learys Cow (Fire):
Musically Related to "Fall Breaks and Back to Winter"

Love to Say Dada:
Water Chant Used in "Cool Cool Water"



Please Note, This Thread is intended for newer SMiLE Fans, to help them seek out references to the original works.

[theCOD]

The workshop sounds on "Do It Again" are from "I Wanna Be Around."

There's a section of "Look" in "Good Vibrations," but I'm not sure if that would be included since it was done before SMiLE was scrapped.

[runnersdialzero]

Do You Like Worms?:
Inspiration for "Little Pad"

This ever been confirmed? I don't know if I agree with it, nor the claims that "Whistle In" was based off of part of the song.

[37!ws]

SMiLE References and Releases  (Original Catalog Only!)

Do You Like Worms?:
Inspiration for "Little Pad"

And arguably alluded to in "Whistle In" -- compare "Remember the day..." to "Wahalaloolay..."

Child Is Father Of The Man:
Musically Related to "Little Bird"

Specifically the end: "Little bird up in a tree looked down and sang a song to me, a trout in a shiny brook..."

Holidays:
Nothing.

Except the tail end, which was used as the "whispering wind" portion of the Smiley Smile version of "Wind Chimes." Also possibly used in the beginning of "Happy Days" on Imagination.

Love to Say Dada:
Water Chant Used in "Cool Cool Water"

Aaaaaaaand....also in the full "Cool, Cool Water." It's the same chord pattern, with some of the same musical orchestration.

Oh...and the piano riff in "Wind Chimes" was later recycled in "Can't Wait Too Long."

[John Stivaktas]

The G minor -> C7 motif in Do You Like Worms which is commonly called "Bicycle Rider" was changed to the key of C# (D#m -> G#7) when it was incorporated into Heroes and Villains for its chorus.

[Rocker]

On his '95 "I just wasn't made for these times"-soundtrack, Brian recorded "Wonderful" in the Smile arrangement.

Except the tail end, which was used as the "whispering wind" portion of the Smiley Smile version of "Wind Chimes." Also possibly used in the beginning of "Happy Days" on Imagination.

Was the "whispering winds"-part written during/for Smile or for Smiley Smile ?

[Aegir]

I'm not sure when the vocal part was written, but even though it's a capella it fits on top of the end part of Holidays perfectly, so it's Brian reusing that same melody or whatnot.

[pixletwin]

SMiLE References and Releases  (Original Catalog Only!)

Do You Like Worms?:
Inspiration for "Little Pad"

And arguably alluded to in "Whistle In" -- compare "Remember the day..." to "Wahalaloolay..."

Child Is Father Of The Man:
Musically Related to "Little Bird"

Specifically the end: "Little bird up in a tree looked down and sang a song to me, a trout in a shiny brook..."

Holidays:
Nothing.

Except the tail end, which was used as the "whispering wind" portion of the Smiley Smile version of "Wind Chimes." Also possibly used in the beginning of "Happy Days" on Imagination.

Love to Say Dada:
Water Chant Used in "Cool Cool Water"

Aaaaaaaand....also in the full "Cool, Cool Water." It's the same chord pattern, with some of the same musical orchestration.

Oh...and the piano riff in "Wind Chimes" was later recycled in "Can't Wait Too Long."

Nice catch. I never thought of "Remember the Day.." as being a derivitive of "wahala lul lei". 

[buddhahat]

I don't hear the worms/little Pad connection - what is this? Somebody recently suggested that the chorus melody of Little Pad sounds like an offspring of H&V, specifically the western theme melody, which I can hear.

The Dada intro is also a reworking of the wahalaluley melody from Worms, but obviously Dada wasn't from a later album so doesn't qualify for this thread.

[The Demon]

Heroes and Villains:
Released on Smiley Smile

Also, the "Heroes and Villains" theme/chants inspired the organ part on "Gettin' Hungry."

Do You Like Worms?:
Inspiration for "Little Pad" and "Whistle In"

Yes, the "Hawaiian" part of "Worms" is the vocal melody of "Whistle In" (with some adjustment), but it's also laid over the chorus of "Look" (which answers your question about "Look"), which provides the music for "Whistle In."

[runnersdialzero]

Yes, the "Hawaiian" part of "Worms" is the vocal melody of "Whistle In" (with some adjustment), but it's also laid over the chorus of "Look" (which answers your question about "Look"), which provides the music for "Whistle In."

Similar rhythm, but the melodies/chords aren't similar at all. I would chalk this one up to coincidence, as I would "Worms" being related to "Little Pad".

[The Demon]

Yes, the "Hawaiian" part of "Worms" is the vocal melody of "Whistle In" (with some adjustment), but it's also laid over the chorus of "Look" (which answers your question about "Look"), which provides the music for "Whistle In."

Similar rhythm, but the melodies/chords aren't similar at all. I would chalk this one up to coincidence, as I would "Worms" being related to "Little Pad".

They're much closer than "Worms" and "Little Pad."

Remember the day (Wahala loo lay) / Remember the night (wahala loo la) / All day long (Keenee waka poo la)

Play them back to back.

All "Pad" has in common with Smile is woodshop sounds, the mention of Hawaii, and a title similar to "Cabin Essence."

[pixletwin]

That vocal line in "Vega-tables" with the top ascending and the bottom descending later was reworked to become "Going On" from KTSA.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Yes, the "Hawaiian" part of "Worms" is the vocal melody of "Whistle In" (with some adjustment), but it's also laid over the chorus of "Look" (which answers your question about "Look"), which provides the music for "Whistle In."

Similar rhythm, but the melodies/chords aren't similar at all. I would chalk this one up to coincidence, as I would "Worms" being related to "Little Pad".

Actually, the melody is pretty much exactly the same and given how close they were recorded and that Brian was recycling or reworkng much of Smile on Smiley, it's difficult to suggest that this is a coincidence.

[bossaroo]

All "Pad" has in common with Smile is woodshop sounds, the mention of Hawaii, and a title similar to "Cabin Essence."

and a near-identical chord progression to "Tones"

[runnersdialzero]

Yes, the "Hawaiian" part of "Worms" is the vocal melody of "Whistle In" (with some adjustment), but it's also laid over the chorus of "Look" (which answers your question about "Look"), which provides the music for "Whistle In."

Similar rhythm, but the melodies/chords aren't similar at all. I would chalk this one up to coincidence, as I would "Worms" being related to "Little Pad".

Actually, the melody is pretty much exactly the same and given how close they were recorded and that Brian was recycling or reworkng much of Smile on Smiley, it's difficult to suggest that this is a coincidence.

"Pretty much exactly the same"? You lot tone deaf?

"Worms?" has nothing to do with "Little Pad" or "Whistle In". The "Worms?" section with the Hawaiian chanting is slightly similar to the "Remember a day" melody in terms of rhythm, but only about half-similar, and the melodies themselves are almost completely different.

Not everything on Smiley Smile was recycled, keep in mind. I don't hear the "Tones" and "Little Pad" similarities, either, and I'm not sure why anyone would just pull it out of their ass that Carl wrote "Tones" considering Brian wrote basically everything in those days.