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[monicker]

The stereo backing track with the vocals in mono is perfectly fine, i reckon.

it doesn't work that way.

also, the stack-o-crack vocals for the pet sounds stuff is probably for clarity's sake as to further isolate the vocal tracks. if you want a decent stereo mix, listen to, uh, the stereo mix

What do you mean it doesn't work that way? I was simply stating a preference for a stereo backing track with mono vocals as opposed to everything being in stereo. So, yeah, my preference works that way, kitty.

I understand that the Pet Sounds stack-o-vocals are panned drastically for the sake of clarity, but i only mention that as an example as comparison because i find a lot of Beach Boys stereo mixes (particularly fan mixes) pan the vocals too wide in my opinion. The "force" and "energy" that mono enthusiasts talk about when preaching the virtues of mono, i totally agree with in regards to vocals, but not at all in regards to the instrumental tracks. I think Beach Boys recordings gain some special magic when the music in stereo. When the vocals are in mono, they retain that special magic.

[Joshilyn Hoisington]

When the vocals are in mono, you get phasing, which can be a nice effect.  I don't like to generalize here, though, some mixes work better in different configurations, I think. 

When we're talking remixes, I usually like very wide stereo vocals and narrower track, especially if not vocals-only mix is available, because there's suddenly more detail and humanity.  But that's non-canonically speaking.

[Boiled Egg]

Sounds great, FOTM.  Sh:ts on the youtube version from several storeys' advantage.

[puni puni]

uhh sure whatever

i never got it...!

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

uhh sure whatever

i never got it...!

Oops, hold on...

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

[P.J.]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing. 

[Shady]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing. 

My thoughts exactly

[drbeachboy]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing. 

What does that mean? Does every remix done so far sound modern too?

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Oh, no no no I mean the one with the rougher vocal... the "Alternate Version" but idk

[P.J.]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing. 

What does that mean? Does every remix done so far sound modern too?

Best I can explain is that stereo made in the 60s had a wider separation. The stereo mix in Hawthorn is very loud and things seem to be centered too much (in my opinion of course). But it's all biased. I listen to a lot of 60s music so I prefer that was of mixing. That being said, I don't like the bass and drum being tossed to the left or right channel very extreme like some Beatles stereo tracks. So my taste it not steadfast by any means.  

[drbeachboy]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing. 

What does that mean? Does every remix done so far sound modern too?

Best I can explain is that stereo made in the 60s had a wider separation. The stereo mix in Hawthorn is very loud and things seem to be centered too much (in my opinion of course). But it's all biased. I listen to a lot of 60s music so I prefer that was of mixing. That being said, I don't like the bass and drum being tossed to the left or right channel very extreme like some Beatles stereo tracks. So my taste it not steadfast by any means. 

Then you must really dislike the 2-fers. They are all louder and brighter, though that brightness helps the vocals stand out. The two TSS tracks (H&V & GV) are very bright.

[P.J.]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing. 

What does that mean? Does every remix done so far sound modern too?

Best I can explain is that stereo made in the 60s had a wider separation. The stereo mix in Hawthorn is very loud and things seem to be centered too much (in my opinion of course). But it's all biased. I listen to a lot of 60s music so I prefer that was of mixing. That being said, I don't like the bass and drum being tossed to the left or right channel very extreme like some Beatles stereo tracks. So my taste it not steadfast by any means. 

Then you must really dislike the 2-fers. They are all louder and brighter, though that brightness helps the vocals stand out. The two TSS tracks (H&V & GV) are very bright.

Yeah, not a fan of the 2001 remasters. I prefer the 1990 cds

[drbeachboy]

I'm THINKING of making a Stereo heroes, but it's driving me crazy...

Been done.

If you're talking about the Hawthorne stereo version... I've never liked it. Too "modern" sounding. If that's a thing. 

What does that mean? Does every remix done so far sound modern too?

Best I can explain is that stereo made in the 60s had a wider separation. The stereo mix in Hawthorn is very loud and things seem to be centered too much (in my opinion of course). But it's all biased. I listen to a lot of 60s music so I prefer that was of mixing. That being said, I don't like the bass and drum being tossed to the left or right channel very extreme like some Beatles stereo tracks. So my taste it not steadfast by any means. 

Then you must really dislike the 2-fers. They are all louder and brighter, though that brightness helps the vocals stand out. The two TSS tracks (H&V & GV) are very bright.

Yeah, not a fan of the 2001 remasters. I prefer the 1990 cds

No-Noise ruined the 1990 albums.

[Catbirdman]

Oh, no no no I mean the one with the rougher vocal... the "Alternate Version" but idk

Yeah, the February 10 "cantina" version. I for one would kill for a stereo version of that! 

[puni puni]

pretty good

[P.J.]

Oh, no no no I mean the one with the rougher vocal... the "Alternate Version" but idk

Yeah, the February 10 "cantina" version. I for one would kill for a stereo version of that! 

Ditto.

[runnersdialzero]

Wait, since when did a mono mix of the "Good Vibration" vocals ever become available? Or even exist past '67?

Also, the Hawthorne "Heroes" stereo mix is just obscenely loud and the EQ or something is way too bright. There's bright (which can do great things), and then there's *too* bright, and I'm not terribly picky with such things. When it literally hurts to listen to at any reasonable volume, it's not a good mix. I don't think it sounds terribly modern or anything, just too... not good. imo.

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

My newest mix is H&V (alt version) with the bass-y chorus and cantina added, oh and the tape echo of course!
All remastered and "father-ifyed" (loads of bass on chorus!)

[37!ws]

One BIIIG problem I have with the H&V stereo mix on Hawthorne, CA is that it's obvious that two tapes were synched up; they're out-of-synch very noticeably during the first chorus. The synch is a little better on the leaked TSS version, but still a bit off.

And I still can't get past how part of the "l" in the first "la" is cut off after the chorus...it's noticeable on the Hawthorne version and even worse on the TSS version...

[Boiled Egg]

One BIIIG problem I have with the H&V stereo mix on Hawthorne, CA is that it's obvious that two tapes were synched up; they're out-of-synch very noticeably during the first chorus. The synch is a little better on the leaked TSS version, but still a bit off.

And I still can't get past how part of the "l" in the first "la" is cut off after the chorus...it's noticeable on the Hawthorne version and even worse on the TSS version...

No question - it's a howling splicing error, that.

[drbeachboy]

Wait, since when did a mono mix of the "Good Vibration" vocals ever become available? Or even exist past '67?

Also, the Hawthorne "Heroes" stereo mix is just obscenely loud and the EQ or something is way too bright. There's bright (which can do great things), and then there's *too* bright, and I'm not terribly picky with such things. When it literally hurts to listen to at any reasonable volume, it's not a good mix. I don't think it sounds terribly modern or anything, just too... not good. imo.

Every Beach Boys CD since 2000 is loud and bright, even the TSS tracks. I don't understand why the stereo H&V is singled out.

[runnersdialzero]

Every Beach Boys CD since 2000 is loud and bright, even the TSS tracks. I don't understand why the stereo H&V is singled out.

Most are fairly loud, fairly bright, but most are also listenable. The "Dance Dance Dance" stereo remix is also way too loud/bright. But "Heroes" is probably the worst as, like I said, it's a tad painful to listen to from so much trebel.

Also, consider that while there are older masters of these albums that people can go back to, there's no good master of the stereo H&V. Makes it stand out a tad, y'knowwhati'msayin'?

[drbeachboy]

That was kind of my point in opposite. The stereo H&V is not near as loud or bright as the remixes on SOS or TWOTS. Also, the TSS mono H&V sounds brighter than the stereo. The new GV is loud and bright and very tough to listen to on my iPod, though not as bad through speakers. ML tends to mix, and remaster on the bright side.