The Jon Stebbins Thread
c-man:
Quote from: c-man on March 09, 2006, 05:00:06 AM
I think the Manson thing weighed on him heavily, as it probably would for any of us in the same situation.
But I think you're right about Murry...I think Murry's death, especially, had a deeply proufound effect on both Dennis and Brian. You see them both taking a drastic turn for the worse in the couple of years after that. Their "binging" (Dennis: cigarettes, booze, dope, sex; Brian: cigarettes, booze, dope, food) grew to mamouth proportions and it clearly had a negative impact on their health. Prior to Murry's passing, B & D still seemed like "Boys" if you will; after that, they seemed like damaged men.
C-Man
I just (finally) got around to reading the Peter Ames Carlin thread on this board, and it seems that after researching his book, and especially after speaking with Barbara, Peter is in agreement that the death of Murry was THE point of biggest impact on the downward spiral of both Dennis and Brian. They may have both been traveling in that general direction beforehand (especially Brian), but they both took a shortcut and jumped several miles ahead on that road after Murry passed.
C-Man
c-man:
In fact, the more I think about it, I would go so far as to say that Brian and Dennis both, subconsciously and unknowingly, tried to BECOME Murry, to a certain extent, after his death.
They didn't adopt his abusiveness/cruelty, in fact Brian definitely tried to avoid the chance of that by avoiding his kids to a large degree...but I definitely see Murry's mannerisms picked by by B & D.
You remember how Brian characterized Murry in that 1976 NBC TV special? He said something like Murry scared a lot of his friends 'cause his personality was a little too "HI, HOW ARE YA"...real brusque. Interesting that Brian had adopted that quality, maybe to a slightly lesser degree, but still noticeably, by that time. After Murry's death, Brian and also Dennis, it seems, tried to become as "macho" as they possibly could. Dennis pulled it off better, 'cause he was pretty macho to begin with, but you'll notice Brian's and Dennis' voices, both their speaking and their singing voices, becoming much coarser after 1973. I truly believe they were unwittingly trying to "channel" Murry, as if by adopting some of his mannerisms they could somehow keep him alive...
C-Man
pavlos brenos:
There is a Brian quote (in Gaines' book p.229) where Brian says
"You know, since my father died, it's been a lot different. You know, I feel a lot more ambitious. It really does something to you when your father passes away. Takes a while to get over it, too. I got a new perspective on life. I'm gonna try a little harder now....It's makin' a man outta me".
Joshilyn Hoisington:
Jon: There is a thread about Al Jardine's recent concert, and in that thread, I digressed into talking about the Beach Boys equipment, spurred on by the announcement that Fender is working on a Jardine Signature Stratocaster.
Feel free to read the thread, but I was wondering that if in your discussions with Dave Marks, if he ever brought up anything like a special deal with Fender, or if Fender ever just set them up with free stuff for the promotion, or at a discount or something. I'm trying to set up some kind of Beach Boys gear database, and this kind of info would be neat.
Jon Stebbins:
aeijtzsche- Check the thread titles Beach Boys and Fender guitars.
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