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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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Super fine album, flawed only by the synth-etic production. Great songs. Great melodies. Nice vocals. Nice arrangements. TOO MUCH SYNTHESIZER. Such a great album it pains me to say I can overlook the synthesizers for everything else.
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I'm only just getting into this album.
Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long reminds me of I Just Wasn't Made For These Times.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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Quote from: HeroesandVillains on January 25, 2006, 04:20:04 PM
I'm only just getting into this album.
Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long reminds me of I Just Wasn't Made For These Times.
That and the first three other songs I only played for months. I brought the tape of it before I had Smile (still wasn't out yet) and Rio Grande confused me. Confused me enough to not play it straight through for a long time.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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January 25, 2006, 04:36:21 PM »
I think it's one of his best albums, even if it's "plug Brian in and write half his songs for him" time. Meet Me In My Dreams Tonight is just as good as any BB track, for me.
I hate the draggy arrangement of Let Your Hair Grow Long, though.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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January 25, 2006, 05:30:14 PM »
Hands down, his best solo album and indeed his best effort since Love You. All great songs, wonderful vocal arrangements that play to his musical strengths. And I don't really mind the synths. Not like I did in the 90's. And yes, I do agree with you, Ian about Meet Me..... that would have made a GREAT BB song. Brian did great work with Andy and Andy certainly got a lot out of Brian.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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January 25, 2006, 07:15:34 PM »
Overrated material (Love And Mercy is the only great song). Vocals are shouted which ruins some of the songs (i.e. Melt Away). The production doesn't bother me too much. Some of the lyrics are embarrassing (Night time is delight time, it's starlight time, and it's the right time for me). Should've been incorporated into a Beach Boys' album. I read somewhere that Brian didn't care for this album. It reminds be of the Landy era. Rio Grande sounds contrived (those yelping indians are annoying). Why wasn't his collaboration with Lindsey Buckingham "He Couldn't Get His Poor Old Body To Move" included on the album? I can't listen to the complete album from beginning to end - it sounds like Brian is yelling at me! Just my opinion...
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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Quote from: Ian, Cpt. Howdy on January 25, 2006, 04:36:21 PM
I hate the draggy arrangement of Let Your Hair Grow Long, though.
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Thanks Surfer Girl for reminding me that I had the record. I'm listening now and the vinyl is totally alive with texture & complexity! Amazing, really.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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January 26, 2006, 03:17:59 PM »
Cool. Yeah Rio Grande sounds a billion times better on vinyl then on anything else really. As you said, much more deph.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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January 26, 2006, 03:32:28 PM »
Seems to me that album has been much maligned over the years so it is interesting to see this level of appreciation at this point.
I had listened to OCA and IJWMFTT several times over the past months. I have them on disc. But I hadn't listened to my vinyl copy of 88 in a couple of years. When I listened to the CD on the good headphones the other day I was amazed. He is in much better voice on 88 than I remembered. As someone said, listening to it now, one hears a YOUNGER Brian Wilson. A man in his 40's rather than in his 60's. And it shows.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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Quote from: Sheriff John Stone on January 25, 2006, 07:15:34 PM
Overrated material (Love And Mercy is the only great song). Vocals are shouted which ruins some of the songs (i.e. Melt Away). The production doesn't bother me too much. Some of the lyrics are embarrassing (Night time is delight time, it's starlight time, and it's the right time for me). Should've been incorporated into a Beach Boys' album. I read somewhere that Brian didn't care for this album. It reminds be of the Landy era. Rio Grande sounds contrived (those yelping indians are annoying). Why wasn't his collaboration with Lindsey Buckingham "He Couldn't Get His Poor Old Body To Move" included on the album? I can't listen to the complete album from beginning to end - it sounds like Brian is yelling at me! Just my opinion...
What the hey, no way is love and mercy the best song on that album. Most undeveloped, maybe (the chorus comes in WAY TOO FAST.) I gotta give it up for Melt Away as best song. I don't think's there's much sense in complaining about Brian's post Love You vocals as they basically are what they are (and the same can probably be said for his lyrics,) but I really don't see how they detract from that song. BW 88 is a really nice album.
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January 26, 2006, 07:06:10 PM »
Love And Mercy's passion exceeds craft. Same way Working Class Hero is a better song than say, Mind Games.
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Re: Brian Wilson 88 Revisited Again
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Quote from: smackdaddy on January 26, 2006, 07:01:43 PM
Quote from: Sheriff John Stone on January 25, 2006, 07:15:34 PM
Overrated material (Love And Mercy is the only great song). Vocals are shouted which ruins some of the songs (i.e. Melt Away). The production doesn't bother me too much. Some of the lyrics are embarrassing (Night time is delight time, it's starlight time, and it's the right time for me). Should've been incorporated into a Beach Boys' album. I read somewhere that Brian didn't care for this album. It reminds be of the Landy era. Rio Grande sounds contrived (those yelping indians are annoying). Why wasn't his collaboration with Lindsey Buckingham "He Couldn't Get His Poor Old Body To Move" included on the album? I can't listen to the complete album from beginning to end - it sounds like Brian is yelling at me! Just my opinion...
What the hey, no way is love and mercy the best song on that album. Most undeveloped, maybe (the chorus comes in WAY TOO FAST.) I gotta give it up for Melt Away as best song. I don't think's there's much sense in complaining about Brian's post Love You vocals as they basically are what they are (and the same can probably be said for his lyrics,) but I really don't see how they detract from that song. BW 88 is a really nice album.
Not that it means "Love And Mercy" is the best song on the album, but it is the one song that Brian still performs live today. Actually, didn't he recently release like the 4th version of the song as a single? Like I said, it's only my opinion. You like "Melt Away", I think it's overrated.
You're right, Brian's post Love You vocals are what they are. And I don't care for what they are. That's all. It's not so much the comparison to his 60's vocals, I just don't find his voice attractive.
One final point I didn't make on my original post. One aspect that is often ignored when discussing Brian's solo albums is that EVERY SONG features a lead vocal by him. And this is where he misses the Beach Boys most importantly. On the Beach Boys' classic albums, you had maybe 3 Mike vocals, 3 Brian vocals, 3 Mike and Brian shared leads, maybe 1 Al, and 1 Carl and/or Dennis. The lead vocals were shared. There was variety. Very important.
With Brian's solo albums, you have 38-45 minutes of ALL BRIAN lead vocals, and quite frankly, that's too much. I believe that is the MAIN reason for the relative lack of success of his solo recordings.
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Re: Brian Wilson
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February 07, 2006, 01:28:54 PM »
When I was first getting into the Beach Boys about seven years ago, I found this vinyl at my local record store. I took it home and spun it non stop for weeks. It's the only 80s music where I didn't mind the production.. coming from just meeting Pet Sounds, I assumed thats the way Brian wanted it to be so all I had to do was sit back and love it.. I didn't know much about how out of control he was, his personal demons, or the story of the making of the record.. I just thought these songs and melodies were cool. I couldn't get enough of it. I found the CD used and then another version with bonus tracks soon came out.. but I didn't buy it because I heard someone complain that incorrect mixes were used for a couple tracks.
Has that ever been fixed?
Has a Beach Boys release come out in the last 10 years that DIDN'T need to be reissued with correct mixes used at a later date?
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Sorry but I rate it a 5. It was my favorite Brian album until BWPS. What Brian was singing about in "Love And Mercy" was not something that was being said in pop singles in 1988.
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i totally agree with you, though could u elborate here wht chu mean?
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Was Brian Wilson (88) Corrected?
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I have Brian's 1988 solo album on vinyl and CD, but I never got around to getting the new Rhino reissue because the first reports said that some of the wrong mixes were used. Was this ever fixed and if so, how could I identify the correct copy?
Endless Harmony and the Pet Sounds mono/stereo two-fer had to be reissued in corrected versions as well. The Ultimate Christmas disc was deleted and replaced with a disc with a new title and cover art and one less song. What is up with these guys?!
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Re: Was Brian Wilson (88) Corrected?
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I believe it was "corrected," but I still much prefer the original Sire CD, or the original vinyl. With all that synth garbage going on, who wants it more clearly mixed? The original is less harsh.
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Re: Was Brian Wilson (88) Corrected?
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The vinyl sounds less synthy to me. Played it just the other night and you can actually hear the guitars!
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Re: Was Brian Wilson (88) Corrected?
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Quote from: forgetmarie on February 13, 2006, 11:40:01 PM
I believe it was "corrected," but I still much prefer the original Sire CD, or the original vinyl. With all that synth garbage going on, who wants it more clearly mixed? The original is less harsh.
I don't think the reissue was remixed, but I also prefer the Sire CD.
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Re: Was Brian Wilson (88) Corrected?
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Quote from: forgetmarie on February 13, 2006, 11:40:01 PM
I believe it was "corrected," but I still much prefer the original Sire CD, or the original vinyl. With all that synth garbage going on, who wants it more clearly mixed? The original is less harsh.
I'm not getting rid of the Sire cd. But it doesn't have all those bonus tracks,
so how can you fault me for wanting those?
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